EVE General Discussion

Stopped reading there. Is this supposed to be funny, or something?

Summary:

CCP intends the NEX store to be vanity items only.

The leak of that newsletter was a bad thing, and they're sorry for any confusion and loss of trust it caused in the community.

MIttani likes talking. A lot.

^^ this

I like the part where CCP said that they felt the outcry was both touching and humbling. Yet they still decided to disregard it all and chose to "stay the course". So in all actuality they really didn't give a **** about the outcry,

Those minutes are pathetically vapid and weak. I have trouble believing there was any significant controversy whatsoever over the content there. Its quite bizzare to hear there has been any fight whatsoever over that content. The entire thing reads like CSM saying the player base is unhappy about X,Y,Z and CCP saying "oh well its our strategy to press on regardless and ignore you".

It is disappointing that the emergency summit appears so meaningless in retrospect and I guess it does explain why no real changes have been declared 4 months after incarna-release.

To my mind it puts us straight back to square one at incarna-rage, monocle-gate and the Jita riots and only thing the delay on these minutes has achieved is to ensure that a few more veterans unsubbed before the next wave of protest.

Frankly, NeX should be scrapped, Incarna project should finish with the next few CQ's and be put on the back-burner with a single scrum team at best to "iterate" it. While the huge majority of CCP developers need to get back to core Eve development ASAP and plan on delivering us 18 months worth of solid spaceship content development as an apology to the loyal player base of this game.

CCP management is so badly wrong and out of touch with its subscriber base it hurts.

Its ridiculous that it'll take an absolute unsubscription-wave and cash crisis and storm of 3rd party press site outrage to make these CCP stuffed-suits listen to the issues when they have a bloody CSM project in place to help them consult with the community already!

Why initiate the CSM in the first place if you are going to ignore the community and its representatives at every turn?

I remember going to Iceland as the first CSM chair and listening to CCP declaring a bold new vision of game development in partnership with its player base as a fledgling virtual nation sending representatives to influence the future development of the game.

I stood there at Thingvellir listening to this company describing us as "internet chieftains" responsible for a grand new experiment in virtual politics as stakeholders in the virtual world of New Eden and I thought "this is pretty loopy, but its good loopy, its visionary madness, its exciting and its bold."

But what I read in these emergency minutes is not anything approaching a partnership of respect its simply a cash-greedy corporate buzzword addiction riding roughshod over the opinions of the Eve player base and deciding to ignore all feedback, council, advise and suggestion from the CSM representatives.

And to the current CSM while I do respect and appreciate the time you took attending this emergency meeting and hounding CCP for the minutes we got (such as they are) I have to say I don't think you did enough to press in the meetings on the evidence we now have and to redeem yourselves going forward infinitely more pressure will be required.

The only "victory" for the Eve player base going forwards is going to be if CCP wake up and smell the roses and put their focus back on restoring Eve from its 18 months of content neglect.

Man, CCP is full of ****. That whole article reeked of BS and blatantly terrible propaganda by CCP regarding what they did with NeX products.

And for the record, the Fearless newsletter expressly stated that it was designed to get people on board with the company policy and get everyone on the same track, not "stir debate" or whatever crap CCP keeps trying to shove out there. We aren't stupid, CCP, and you would do well to remember that.

The minutes were modified by CCP

Proves I was right in unsubscribing all three accounts and as of now I am just waiting for time left to expire.

CCP doesn't care what you say (the CSM and players) and will ONLY react to what you do (unsubscribe).

It is time for the dissatisfied players to do the only thing that seems to be able to get Hilmar's attention, remove your hard earned money from CCP's coffers. I'm just disappointed that our CSM doesn't have the courage to come right out and say that this is true.

okay so what was so contraversial that it took this long to edit?
Most of those minutes where already released in dev blogs...

No really what was the point of contention?

CCP attemoting to back out of no ingame advatage for aurume or investment of time?
CCP not wanting people to know CSM not happy with nex role out?

really i want to know.

i don't disagree with that assessment.

but that doesn't make it CCP's fault that video card manufacturers - a certain one in particular - are absolutely hammered **** about managing the TDP of their video cards, and the thermal output that must be dissipated.

hardware concerns like that are supposed to be of no concern to the game. that's the purpose of general purpose abstraction interfaces like D3D and OpenGL.


blame CCP for bad performance of the CQ
blame your video card manufacturer if your card failed because of it.

aka - assign blame where blame is due.