EVE New Citizens Q&A

I just love how veteran pilots - who might well be able to do the things they claim can be done - like to assume that someone new to the game can do them too.

Supporting their EVE habit with plex is just something that isn't going to happen for a rookie PLAYER. By the time they could do it - they won't be rookies any more. The only way a rookie player is going to pull things like that off - is if they have some veteran sitting there holding their hand all the way. It isn't just skills and ships - it's the knowledge about how the game works. Look at all the cases of people who have bought veteran characters and then just stumble around not being able to use them.

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Um ... so ... you're advising people to so something you haven't done yourself?

How do you know it can be done - by a new person? Do you KNOW a new person that has done this? Do you know someone who is playing a few hours a week (what this guy is really talking about) and is constantly interrupted - who can do this?

Just how is it that this new person is going to become "stupid intenet space rich"?



If you only have a little bit of time to actively play each week - and are constantly interrupted - then mining in quiet Hi Sec .9 and 1.0 systems - can make you a good bit of money - because it is relatively safe if you have to go AFK a lot. That however is NOT FW which is what the OP was asking about. It is also not going to make you enough money to support your game time with plex ... unless you really do a lot of AFK mining.

There are people out there supporting their game playing by selling plex - but they are NOT new people. Telling a new person that they can pull this off - is not good advice.

There are a lot of different ways of making money in EVE - but - most of them require either a lot of experience or some fairly expensive up front purchases. If some new person, after busting their ass to make the money to buy the plex does it - what are they going to have left to buy all the ships, skills, etc. that they will need? Veteran players already have those things.

If you are a new player - you need to spend your time learning the game and financing your advancement - not obsessing about trying to pay off a plex that is beyond your reach.

Seriously. $15 a month really isn't all that much money. If you can't afford that - you really can't afford to play this game. There are several games out there where you can play, in some limited fashion, for an extended period of time - for free. EVE is not one of those games ... unless you just keep making new trial accounts ...

There are also games out there - some of them, as above, that can be played for free - that are much more forgiving of going AFK. EVE has Real Loss. You don't just re-spawn and jump back into the fight with EVE. Unless you want to go around in a rookie ship (which is free) you have to spend money on a new ship and it's equipment. Even if you insured your ship - you had to pay for the insurance; the insurance doesn't cover 100% of the hull cost; it covers 0% of your fittings; and THEN you have to pay for the insurance for the new ship - which is about .33% of it's value. Losing ships is part of EVE but to keep losing them because you were trying to do something that was not conducive to going AFK - is not a good idea.

As I mentioned in my mining example - there are ways of playing EVE that don't involve risking a ship. There are ways of playing EVE that don't even require a ship. You can just sit in one station and trade, flying around in your pod if you need to travel. They are NOT however, any form of PVP - such as FW.

If the OP's question had been: "How can I play EVE when I'm constantly going AFK?" there would be a much different answer than "How do I play FW, while constantly going AFK ... and OBTW how can I finance that with plex - as a new person?"

Trading would work very well for someone going AFK all the time - and - once you got good at it, that is to say, you became a Veteran Trader - you could well finance your game playing with plex.

But - that isn't what the OP asked.

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OK

1) He has been playing longer than I thought.

2) You have done this yourself.

3) He did say 5-10 minutes - which from my personal experience I don't believe - but that IS what he said - and HIS personal experience might really be different than mine.

4) Yes - how long he can play when he does play is going to make a lot of difference.


I've not done this myself - because I didn't think I could do it given just the things I said. I sure don't think I've ever made that kind of money in that amount of time with a character two weeks old - or did you really mean two weeks?

I would be very interested to hear just exactly how you did do it.

How many hours a week did you spend on this? Do you know or is this one of those vague recollections I have seen so often on these forums?

How did you know how to do this? Did you figure it out for yourself - or did you have a veteran player, perhaps from one of your corporations take you by the hand and show you how to do it?

You don't sound like someone who's only been playing EVE for 7 months or so - how long have YOU been playing as opposed to how old your character is? Is this your first character?


Perhaps I'm reading to much of my own situation into this. I played EVE for about 5 years, then quit a year or so ago ... largely because of just what we've been talking about. I missed the game so I thought I'd make a new character and play a little but it's pretty much just like it was before - I just can't play like I did before and haven't tried. While I can sometimes put off having to stop what I'm doing for 5-10 minutes - that often isn't the case. More likely, I'm being interrupted repeatedly, (like every 5-10 minutes) and I usually cannot put things off that long. I've not posted a single one of these messages that I wasn't interrupted several times while writing it ... I'm being interrupted again right now ...

*shrug*

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Yeah ... maybe I will give that a try.



And ... just so we're clear here ...

There's two different things we were talking about:

1) Is whether or not the OP could do this - who has a character that is several years old - and thus may well be able to pull it off.

2) Whether a new person could do this who is ... several weeks old(?)


This being - earning the 600 million ISK per month that it would take to buy a Pilot License Extension - while playing a few days a week - and being interrupted while doing so.


This character, I just made to be a posting alt - and yeah ... maybe I will try and do it ... though ... I am not a New Player ... but I'd also like to be able to fund some of my gaming with Plex as right now I too am supporting several subscriptions already.

I have noted a good bit of inflation taking place in the game since I left. Possibly it's easier to do this now than it was before.

*shrug*

We'll see ...

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1. Character age does say jack **** about how long someone has been playing.

A person can be new to EVE and bought an old character with real money, that doesnt make him a veteran.
A person could have taken a couple of years break from EVE and retained his old character. So even a 10 year old character can be a new player.

Ergo, making assumptions based on when a character is created is just plain stupidity.


Rest of the points are valid.

Though I will still not recommend it. Why...


Because EVE is far more then FW farming your subscription.
It is possible to do, but it is rare and I know a good bunch who gave up the game after a while cause it became boring and they couldn't progress or do what they want. They were kind of 'forced' to spent the majority of their gaming time orbiting buttons and only could actually play the game after (and onpy after) they made enough money to PLEX their account.

And Thanatos, we both know that you have a whole bunch of good knowledgeable players behind you, you are not the typical new player that knows nobody and has nobody to fall back too when needed.

I really really don't recommend trying it if you are only a few weeks into eve. While this is doable it is a terribad idea if you don't have a halfway decent grasp of the mechanics involved.

We have no idea how long the OP has been playing though, or what his knowledge base is.

If you do understand the mechanics you need enough skills to fit a T1 frigate (condor/slasher/atron/etc) with prop mod, guns, warp core stabs. This allows you to dscan, warp to plexes, kill novice and medium rats, hit your keep at range to the capture point at 29k. Then sit there and dscan, if anything shows up on short burn away in a direction with your prop mod on and hit your cloak. Wait for them to leave, decloak, go back to 29k from capture point.

If defensive plexing you don't even need to be able to kill the rats. Just find highly contested systems that are relatively quiet. This is even better right after downtime because you will likely find a large or two to run.

You will have times when you need to go afk (move away cloaky), when you loose your ships and need to go reship cuz you get nailed on a gate, or you fell asleep cuz spinning buttons when you don't intend to fight is borring.

Without the ability to actually fight for your plex your actual capture number on plexes is lower than someone with decent SP that knows what they are doing and can generally hold against a fair number of other pilots. Having said that if you convert your LP at a decent rate you are still looking at easily 50 mil per hour (sometimes more, sometimes less, 50mil was my average, some people do much better, this is also impacted by the status of the warzone).