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How do you defend against this?

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SpoonRECKLESS
Beach Boys
The Minions.
#21 - 2013-10-09 23:02:11 UTC
as the sayin goes. If they use a big stick bring a bigger stick . Also bring friends.

Blue

Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-10-10 14:41:57 UTC
Shadow Adanza wrote:

Fight. Win/Lose. Laugh regardless.


Easy to say coming from Qcats. You guys dont have to worry about being on the low numbers side of things often Lol

I do love it when i am able to get 1v1's from you guys thou... Rab kicked my teeth in a few times the other night... ill beat him one day...

Point of my reply was that princess's "L2PVP" post isnt a real effective choice when your going to be popped as soon as you warp in. Kinda hard to learn that way. And if you already know how to pvp... you know the best choice is NOT to warp into the blob unless your planning on losing.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#23 - 2013-10-11 08:26:50 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Shadow Adanza wrote:

Fight. Win/Lose. Laugh regardless.


Easy to say coming from Qcats. You guys dont have to worry about being on the low numbers side of things often Lol

I do love it when i am able to get 1v1's from you guys thou... Rab kicked my teeth in a few times the other night... ill beat him one day...

Point of my reply was that princess's "L2PVP" post isnt a real effective choice when your going to be popped as soon as you warp in. Kinda hard to learn that way. And if you already know how to pvp... you know the best choice is NOT to warp into the blob unless your planning on losing.


You are right, all you need is THE PLAN.
Espae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-10-11 20:13:03 UTC
I've updated the OP to clarify what I meant by "go back to hisec".

Living in null has been the most fun I've had in Eve, so I did not mean give up entirely... I meant, if there is too much risk doing PvE, then I could go back to hisec to earn the ISK I need to PvP down here.

I'd prefer to just stay in null. :-)

Yes, I do watch local, but especially after the warp changes in Rubicon, people are going to be able to jump in and be on you in something like 15 seconds. If you're in a battleship that is in the middle of a MWD cycle, your align time alone takes up most of that, meaning that you'll always have to be glued to local.

I guess I just really dislike the ability to summon an entire fleet nearly instantly as a game mechanic. Yes, it allows for more ganks, but it also means that you can project fleet sized power without much risk.


Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-10-11 20:19:57 UTC
So watch intel channels up to a system out. Or put an alt there.

As it is now, if you're paying attention, ratting is nearly risk-free. Even after the warp changes, it's not like the inty can warp directly to anyone in local. He still needs to figure out where you are first. So try ratting in large systems (out of d-scan range from the gates) with many anomalies (less chance he'll get you by dumb luck).
Espae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-10-11 20:49:09 UTC
If you always warp to the highest end anom (there's usually only one at a time), or largest ore site, you have a very high likelihood of finding someone there.

Oh well, I guess we'll just see how it shakes out.

I suspect that if it's as bad as I think it might turn out, people will just stop running those sites, and those hunting them will have less targets than they had before.

With the clone jump timer reduction, it's easier than ever to just jump back and forth as needed.
Shey Nabali
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2013-10-12 07:30:32 UTC
As people have said... Watchlist them. Also, keep an eye on their killboard so you can see what area they are currently hunting in (oc, it dosn't refresh instantly... but all intel is usefull).

Also, keep in mind, BLops vessels do "okay" DPS at best, and have paper thin tanks. A few guardians and a handfull of T1 battleships would probably hand them their head on a platter, for a fraction of what their fleet costs. Next time you have intel that they are roaming your way, bait them out in something shiny, then point a couple of those battleships and bring in reinforcments.
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-10-12 08:29:39 UTC
Espae wrote:
Killboard slaughter

This killboard is the result of single T3 ship that roams around the region, enters a system, warps directly to the large asteroid cluster or high-end anomoly, uncloaks, points you and cynos in overwhelming numbers against you.

The only answer I can find to this is: dock up and go back to high sec. (i.e. clone jump to earn ISK in PVE)

Edit: To clarify the "go back to high sec" part.
My opinion... Nova is good at what he does. Set him to your watch list and watch intel closely.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-10-12 09:07:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Espae wrote:
If you always warp to the highest end anom (there's usually only one at a time), or largest ore site, you have a very high likelihood of finding someone there.

Oh well, I guess we'll just see how it shakes out.

I suspect that if it's as bad as I think it might turn out, people will just stop running those sites, and those hunting them will have less targets than they had before.

With the clone jump timer reduction, it's easier than ever to just jump back and forth as needed.

Very easy fix. Extend grid, anchor bubble from gate to anom. Run anom. Unanchor bubble. Repeat as necessary.

If using a Nullifier you're sol though I guess.

Next best option other than alt on gate which is what I use. Wait one month. Deploy portable cyno jammer or two.

If using cov ops hot drop you're sol though I guess.

See alt on gate or DONT RUN THE HIGHEST END ANOM lol.

Run combat sites, no hotdrops at all

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#30 - 2013-10-12 16:17:23 UTC
These are the things that happen in "NRDS" space. People get a false sense of security.

Some really good posts here. The main point being:
If you can't counter drop them, don't be in a position to let yourself get tackled.

Join a corp that can field 10 PvP pilots ?
ready4impact
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-10-12 18:04:39 UTC  |  Edited by: ready4impact
There is only one thing you have to remember in EVE Online and it applies to all aspects of the game.
You are not now nor will you ever be totally safe while making money. This is not a coincidence but a game mechanic.

However, there are several factors that you control in the process of gathering ISK and exposing yourself to danger as a consequence. For example, The higher your ISK per hour is in almost any activity the higher will be the danger, whether it is a Officer fitted Nightmare for HS LVL4s or Faction BCSs on your CNR in 0.0.

You choose whether to expose yourself to a 5% chance of having your anomaly be the one your enemy decides to warp into first and make 100mil ISK/h or you can take a lower yield anomaly and earn 90mil ISK/h for a .2% chance of being warped to first.
Of course this applies to the choice of your fitting. Including your damage loss as a consequence of pre-aligning to be able to log a warp out before the enemy shows up as well as choosing to reduce the quality of damage or tank mods to reduce the ISK loss when the enemy inevitably catches up with you.

In conclusion, even though total safety can seldom be achieved you can increase your practical ISK gain calculating in your risk as a part of an equation. For Example, In 20 hours you will earn:

1-(With a Ishtar in top anomaly): (50mil * 20)-(1*Price of said ishtar)~~750mil
2-(With a Ishtar in non top anomaly): (45mil * 20)-(1*Price of ishtar/(5%/0.2%)"To compensate for the reduced rate of loss")~~890mil

If you understood these simple examples you will now understand that if you, for instance, take a 20bil isk NM to HS to do LVL4s with 100mil/h with the 3% chance of getting ganked in an hour, you will earn less ISK then if you would have taken a 1bil ISK NM with a .001% chance of getting ganked per hour that earns 70mil/h.


Now, as far as your specific problem is concerned I would put out several recommendations for you that should, while being maybe harmful for ISK/h as used in the previous simplified examples, increase your actual long term profits by minimizing the impact of Black Ops drops on your vessel:

1.Watch Local, Anything you don't recognize is to be treated as a treat and you should move to a safer system via a scout ASAP.(Of course NBSI SHOULD BE OBSERVED AT ALL TIMES by any good alliances, at least when engaged in PvE)

2.Since Black Ops cyno alts take up to 2 months to train you should take their names when they drop your allies and add them to your contacts as -10 with note:"Enemy BO Cyno etc."

3.Bubble the local gates, as it would at least buy you some extra time to warp out with recons and coverts that dont have nullifiers and help you with good old fashioned blobs.(Enjoy the mortal ceptors while you can)

4.Minimize unnecessary expenses when in comes to tank. If you can tank it with a gist B-Type don not buy the A-Type. If T2 fields will do do not go faction etc. PLEASE, apply aforementioned equation with regards to you ship type and damage mods.

5th is the most important step. Send your corp mates this article and always remember: They are here because you are feeding them! If you stop being such a naive target rich environment the enemy will leave. In your case even their name suggests their troll-like behavior.

Regards and take care mate
Austneal
Nero Fazione
#32 - 2013-10-12 19:29:28 UTC
ready4impact wrote:
Stuff...

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