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Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#21 - 2013-10-11 17:14:59 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Note to self: develop cheap, man-portable, throw-away, tactical EMP device.




Just as long as you don't aim it too high.

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Mirajane Cromwell
#22 - 2013-10-11 18:17:50 UTC
They are also making the first "terminators" ie. Petman as seen in this video. Then there's also the WildCat, Legged Squad support system, Cheetah, Atlas and so on. So I think the exoskeleton systems will become quite redundant in near future as eventually they put weapons on these robots and give them AI so that humans aren't needed anymore for front line combat...
mama guru
Yazatas.
#23 - 2013-10-11 18:39:06 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
Looks like a cool and ambitious project. Not to mention expensive.

But the real question is. Can it stop AK-47s , RPGs and IED's?


This project kind of reminds me of the turd that is the F-35.


Nanosuits won't get you nationalized healthcare either.

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Mudkest
Contagious Goat Labs
#24 - 2013-10-11 19:14:10 UTC
mama guru wrote:
Commissar Kate wrote:
Looks like a cool and ambitious project. Not to mention expensive.

But the real question is. Can it stop AK-47s , RPGs and IED's?


This project kind of reminds me of the turd that is the F-35.


Nanosuits won't get you nationalized healthcare either.


can allow cripples to walk to put it bluntly. Expensive, definitely, bulky, most likely. But then so were the first pace makers.

As for usefulness in combat situation, alternative for a battle tank in dense urban environment? instead of having to blow up a building to get rid of some insurgents using a tank or artillery, you can send in one guy in a "tank-suit" and turn the building merely condemnable.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#25 - 2013-10-11 19:29:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Hmm... It does sound like it could be useful in an urban environment. Or as a mobile armored suit for a human soldier dispatching/controlling the combat robots Mirajane mentioned. (A problem with combat robots, of course, is making sure they're correctly targeting the enemy and not friendlies or civilians). Or possibly as protection for a bomb disposal robot operator. If it's a intensely dangerous situation that you want to send robots into, and want to have a human controlling them or at least watching them, a powered armored suit might be useful.

Heh, I admit, I'm an SF reader, not a real world military tech analyst. Smile
Shey Nabali
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-10-11 22:23:01 UTC
As a soldier, I'm not terribly optimistic about projects like this. When I think about the places where we typicaly fight. (Dry, hot and dusty deserts, and hot humid jungles.) I'm reminded of how very very poorly sensitive electronics and computers and hydraulics tend to fare in EXACTLY those conditions.

Ya, high tech stuff is cool, and CAN be very usefull, but this **** just screams unreliable and maintenance nightmare.
Tanesha Kring
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-10-13 10:07:56 UTC
Shey Nabali wrote:
As a soldier, I'm not terribly optimistic about projects like this. When I think about the places where we typicaly fight. (Dry, hot and dusty deserts, and hot humid jungles.) I'm reminded of how very very poorly sensitive electronics and computers and hydraulics tend to fare in EXACTLY those conditions.

Ya, high tech stuff is cool, and CAN be very usefull, but this **** just screams unreliable and maintenance nightmare.


Which is also why if this gets adopted, it would most likely be limited to a support and supply role on a base or maybe used for static artillery crews. It would be a boon in those roles while also being easily replaced by ole fashioned manpower when it fails.
Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-10-15 07:19:30 UTC
Tanesha Kring wrote:
Shey Nabali wrote:
As a soldier, I'm not terribly optimistic about projects like this. When I think about the places where we typicaly fight. (Dry, hot and dusty deserts, and hot humid jungles.) I'm reminded of how very very poorly sensitive electronics and computers and hydraulics tend to fare in EXACTLY those conditions.

Ya, high tech stuff is cool, and CAN be very usefull, but this **** just screams unreliable and maintenance nightmare.


Which is also why if this gets adopted, it would most likely be limited to a support and supply role on a base or maybe used for static artillery crews. It would be a boon in those roles while also being easily replaced by ole fashioned manpower when it fails.


Theres a good point in that.

Worst part of being a tanker was breaking down the ammo pallets for the shot locker. Some kind of suit might make that a lot more comfortable.

And ss for heavy artillery... those guys will love that.

A sustained artillery barrage is a hell of a work out.

"I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." - Kenneth O'Hara

"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate
Mudkest
Contagious Goat Labs
#29 - 2013-10-15 15:24:37 UTC
Graygor wrote:


A sustained artillery barrage is a hell of a work out.


and I suddenly have a picture in my head of Asterix and Obelix throwing big rocks at roman legions :s
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#30 - 2013-10-15 15:47:15 UTC
Gray, did your tanks have autoloaders?

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-10-16 15:40:07 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
Gray, did your tanks have autoloaders?


They dont. Human loaders are better than auto loaders. Auto loaders are also a pain in the arse when it comes to maintenance.

There was a plan to fit some of the Mk IV Merkavas with auto loaders but the crews found it too difficult and preferred to go for the manual loading. Also it limits the shot locker. And in a battle the last thing you want is to find out you're out of munitions.

There other reason is of course the extra man can help out if the tank is disabled or provide extra eyes on the battlefield.

Additionally, the loader is usually the lowest on the ladder, and generally are the tea / coffee boy and impromptu chef.

Always made me sad that our command tanks never had a turret... meaning i could never take advantage of one.

"I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." - Kenneth O'Hara

"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate
Tanesha Kring
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-10-17 14:06:21 UTC
Graygor wrote:

Theres a good point in that.

Worst part of being a tanker was breaking down the ammo pallets for the shot locker. Some kind of suit might make that a lot more comfortable.

And ss for heavy artillery... those guys will love that.

A sustained artillery barrage is a hell of a work out.


Sadly I'm not sure if it would be great in an inclosed environment or one with a lot of underbrush for that matter. What I've seen in documentaries looks like a slightly ergonomic frame with hydraulics and such. It's not completely clunky and appears to provide a wide range of movement with no detectable lag, but I could still see it getting caught on things and causing damage to others in close quarters.
Nuclear Xmas
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-10-17 17:38:10 UTC
Hey guys, how do think we should resolve the debt crisis

Uhh, we need to be focusing on more important things...like iron man suits and lasers
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#34 - 2013-10-17 21:21:16 UTC
Nuclear Xmas wrote:
Hey guys, how do think we should resolve the debt crisis

Uhh, we need to be focusing on more important things...like iron man suits and lasers



Don't forget the Air forces F-35 turd and the Navys various ship projects if you want to talk about out of control military spending.

-k8

My Fanclub
Tanesha Kring
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-10-17 22:15:21 UTC
Nuclear Xmas wrote:
Hey guys, how do think we should resolve the debt crisis

Uhh, we need to be focusing on more important things...like iron man suits and lasers


Well ironmen replace manpower and lasers are cheaper to use than missiles. Not to mention technology and scientific research is a significant and valuable trade resource.
Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-10-18 03:06:34 UTC
Tanesha Kring wrote:
Graygor wrote:

Theres a good point in that.

Worst part of being a tanker was breaking down the ammo pallets for the shot locker. Some kind of suit might make that a lot more comfortable.

And ss for heavy artillery... those guys will love that.

A sustained artillery barrage is a hell of a work out.


Sadly I'm not sure if it would be great in an inclosed environment or one with a lot of underbrush for that matter. What I've seen in documentaries looks like a slightly ergonomic frame with hydraulics and such. It's not completely clunky and appears to provide a wide range of movement with no detectable lag, but I could still see it getting caught on things and causing damage to others in close quarters.


Not talking about enclosed spaces really. More like being outside of the tank and handing rounds to the loader. Its a nightmare hauling shells manually if the forklifts are busy. Not to mention breaking them down.

Artillery guys also need to be fed shells at a steady rate, greater strength means more loads you can carry.

For support, these kinds of suits could be very useful.

"I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." - Kenneth O'Hara

"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate
Tanesha Kring
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-10-18 09:02:47 UTC
Graygor wrote:

Not talking about enclosed spaces really. More like being outside of the tank and handing rounds to the loader. Its a nightmare hauling shells manually if the forklifts are busy. Not to mention breaking them down.

Artillery guys also need to be fed shells at a steady rate, greater strength means more loads you can carry.

For support, these kinds of suits could be very useful.


Ah, yes I see now. That is the way I see it. Basically like when a friend of mine replaced the forklift when he was framing houses because he could lift and hold the frame while two others kept it balanced and they all could hammer it into place. Saved a lot of time for the crew since they didn't have to use the forklift which took considerably longer. With a mechanical suit, just about anyone could preform the same role. Civil engineers and air force enlisted would probably love something like this as well.
Alara IonStorm
#38 - 2013-10-19 06:21:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Shey Nabali wrote:
As a soldier, I'm not terribly optimistic about projects like this. When I think about the places where we typicaly fight. (Dry, hot and dusty deserts, and hot humid jungles.) I'm reminded of how very very poorly sensitive electronics and computers and hydraulics tend to fare in EXACTLY those conditions.

Ya, high tech stuff is cool, and CAN be very usefull, but this **** just screams unreliable and maintenance nightmare.

Exactly, keep it simple is always the best motto.

That's why in WW2 the Germans spent millions funding highly advanced missile systems that could barely hit a city whilst the Japanese built ones that could hit a moving ship for only the price of a headband and a shot of rice wine.

Okay... maybe that's not the best example. Ugh
Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-10-19 08:10:45 UTC
Tanesha Kring wrote:
Graygor wrote:

Not talking about enclosed spaces really. More like being outside of the tank and handing rounds to the loader. Its a nightmare hauling shells manually if the forklifts are busy. Not to mention breaking them down.

Artillery guys also need to be fed shells at a steady rate, greater strength means more loads you can carry.

For support, these kinds of suits could be very useful.


Ah, yes I see now. That is the way I see it. Basically like when a friend of mine replaced the forklift when he was framing houses because he could lift and hold the frame while two others kept it balanced and they all could hammer it into place. Saved a lot of time for the crew since they didn't have to use the forklift which took considerably longer. With a mechanical suit, just about anyone could preform the same role. Civil engineers and air force enlisted would probably love something like this as well.


We're going to end up with the orange construction mechs from Patlabor before we know it.

"I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." - Kenneth O'Hara

"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#40 - 2013-10-19 09:37:34 UTC
Graygor wrote:

We're going to end up with the orange construction mechs from Patlabor before we know it.


You remind me of the Cargo-loader mechsuits from Alien. Those yellow ones. Always found that approach to mechs the most likely one, using it for heavy loadings as heavy forklift-trucks can have issues with oddly shaped heavy loads and with narrow/limited spaces.

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