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Need advice on hauling / avoiding being ganked
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Tom Baldwin
Arctic Guard
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2013-10-11 12:58:19 UTC
I have been hauling using eve-central for a long time and have made over 2 bil isk doing it. I now have a Charon and need some advice on what the maximum value of cargo I should carry to avoid being ganked is.
I only fly in hi sec (although I know that doesn't make much different with ganking.

Can someone tell me: what is the amount of cargo (value) that I am likely to be ganked at.
Also, is there a more suitable ship that I could use to haul large amounts of cargo?
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#2 - 2013-10-11 13:05:30 UTC
1 billion is a rule of thumb
Velicitia
XS Tech
#3 - 2013-10-11 13:18:38 UTC
about a billion, give or take.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Lando Tarsadan
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-10-11 13:27:02 UTC
I personally stay under 1 Bil / 750 mil depending how many items im transfering.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-10-11 13:30:01 UTC
Use courier contracts with a collateral. Zero effort required on your part, and if the courier gets blown up you make ISK.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#6 - 2013-10-11 13:31:36 UTC
Some will blow you up even if freighter is empty. Welcome to EVE Online.

Nothing is safe, ever.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-10-11 13:39:52 UTC
none is safe , nowdays empty get ganked too for the lulz, its kinda easy also if dont even can fit a damage control

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Rhatar Khurin
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-10-11 15:20:35 UTC
The EVE-kill boards show many a freighter merely killed for lulz as the previous posters have said.

Most of the freighter kills i can seen recently are (unsurprisingly) done by goons in a curious mixture of catalysts, brutixs and Talo.
Fia Magrath
The Clown Inquisition
#9 - 2013-10-11 16:05:16 UTC
which is great for those who happen to be around with a large cargo bay, last freighter gank i saw i picked up over 100m in t2 modules Big smile
Rayo Atra
Guardians of the Volatile Wine
#10 - 2013-10-11 16:33:51 UTC
Always come through kurniainen its the only solution. Pirate

Tell you what I do like though: A killer. A dyed-in-the-wool killer. Cold-blooded, clean, methodical and thorough.

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Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-10-11 18:46:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Alduin666 Shikkoken
If you truly want to fly the safest you can -
  • Fly with an in-corp stasis web alt
  • Never (repeat: NEVER) autopilot
  • Find out how many catalysts/tornados it would take to gank your ship, then find out the cost of all those ships. Don't fly with cargo above that cost
  • Disclaimer: The above is still not a 100% guarantee gank-proof way of flying

    • Usually I give snide and/or sarcastic remarks on the forums. This is not that time.

    Honor is a fools prize. [I]Glory is of no use to the dead.[/I]

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    Rhivre
    TarNec
    Invisible Exchequer
    #12 - 2013-10-11 18:51:39 UTC
    Use Red Frog :) Stick collateral on to cover, and away you go. (Push are cheaper, but I have never used them)

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    Unsuccessful At Everything
    The Troll Bridge
    #13 - 2013-10-11 18:59:21 UTC
    Real gankers gank freighters just for the tears. Some of the best tears have come from empty freighters Big smile.




    Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
    Erotica 1
    Krypteia Operations
    #14 - 2013-10-11 19:12:59 UTC

    The best advice I can give is to pay for a permit from the New Order. Many freighters carrying illegal mining supplies through highsec have been lost because they failed to pay for a permit and live by the Code. Also, do not violate the Code by autopiloting or engaging in other bot aspirant behaviors such as using a scout on another client.

    Also, be sure to pay the Goons their fee. If you do not, you are likely to be subjected to their inspections. If you hide your cargo in cans or plastic wrap (couriers), they are likely to blow up your ship to see what you are hiding.

    As for maximum value, carry only what you need and nothing more. If you are caught carrying goods for known Code violators, you will be subject to asset forfeiture.

    See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
    Maliandra
    Doomheim
    #15 - 2013-10-11 20:41:08 UTC
    Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
    Real gankers gank freighters just for the tears. Some of the best tears have come from empty freighters Big smile.




    Spending your free time on the internet for the purpose of finding the "best tears" makes you so cool. You must have so much going for you, I'm jealous. Only a real winner logs onto the internet to bother people.
    E-2C Hawkeye
    HOW to PEG SAFETY
    #16 - 2013-10-11 20:45:18 UTC
    Erotica 1 wrote:

    The best advice I can give is to pay for a permit from the New Order. Many freighters carrying illegal mining supplies through highsec have been lost because they failed to pay for a permit and live by the Code. Also, do not violate the Code by autopiloting or engaging in other bot aspirant behaviors such as using a scout on another client.

    Also, be sure to pay the Goons their fee. If you do not, you are likely to be subjected to their inspections. If you hide your cargo in cans or plastic wrap (couriers), they are likely to blow up your ship to see what you are hiding.

    As for maximum value, carry only what you need and nothing more. If you are caught carrying goods for known Code violators, you will be subject to asset forfeiture.


    I will be so glad when the noob order fades away.
    Erotica 1
    Krypteia Operations
    #17 - 2013-10-11 20:51:24 UTC
    Maliandra wrote:
    Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
    Real gankers gank freighters just for the tears. Some of the best tears have come from empty freighters Big smile.

    Spending your free time on the internet for the purpose of finding the "best tears" makes you so cool. You must have so much going for you, I'm jealous. Only a real winner logs onto the internet to bother people.


    So they are not winners because you disagree with them and play differently? I bet you don't like other types of people that do not match your ideas of the "perfect" person (someone like yourself) as well?



    E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
    Erotica 1 wrote:

    The best advice I can give is to pay for a permit from the New Order. Many freighters carrying illegal mining supplies through highsec have been lost because they failed to pay for a permit and live by the Code. Also, do not violate the Code by autopiloting or engaging in other bot aspirant behaviors such as using a scout on another client.

    Also, be sure to pay the Goons their fee. If you do not, you are likely to be subjected to their inspections. If you hide your cargo in cans or plastic wrap (couriers), they are likely to blow up your ship to see what you are hiding.

    As for maximum value, carry only what you need and nothing more. If you are caught carrying goods for known Code violators, you will be subject to asset forfeiture.


    I will be so glad when the noob order fades away.


    We have been hearing that for quite a while now. It should be added to the bingo card. Yet instead, interest (as measured in pageviews) and membership only continues to increase!


    See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
    Renault T'Bonin
    Doomheim
    #18 - 2013-10-12 11:56:19 UTC
    Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
    If you truly want to fly the safest you can -
  • Fly with an in-corp stasis web alt
  • Never (repeat: NEVER) autopilot
  • Put things in containers because iirc any ship scanners will scan the containers but not its contents (still needs to be verified, haven't checked this in a long while)
  • Find out how many catalysts/tornados it would take to gank your ship, then find out the cost of all those ships. Don't fly with cargo above that cost
  • Disclaimer: The above is still not a 100% guarantee gank-proof way of flying

    • Usually I give snide and/or sarcastic remarks on the forums. This is not that time.


    I totally agree with these comments. There a few "advanced" things you can do to remain safe as well.

    1. Have a third character (In addition to the freighter pilot and in-corp web alt) either a jump or two ahead of you or in the trade hub you plan on visiting. *observe*.

    2. Do not keep a regular schedule when moving stuff.

    3. Do not keep your transports or freighter at the same location constantly. Where people know it's there. Make a transport, dock the ship somewhere different from where it came from.

    4. Do not announce to your friends, corp mates, alliance members that you "are making a freighter run". Someone in that group does not like you- and will leak your position/cargo.

    5. Do not accept a courier contract and immediately depart with the load. Make sure any contract you accept is from an individual, and accept it when they are offline. Then move it. See #6.

    6. The contract system is flawed because it tells the person who made the contract who is working on it. Public contracts will kill your ships. You've been warned.

    It's all about operational security.
    Renault T'Bonin
    Doomheim
    #19 - 2013-10-12 11:56:43 UTC
    Erotica 1 wrote:
    Maliandra wrote:
    Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
    Real gankers gank freighters just for the tears. Some of the best tears have come from empty freighters Big smile.

    Spending your free time on the internet for the purpose of finding the "best tears" makes you so cool. You must have so much going for you, I'm jealous. Only a real winner logs onto the internet to bother people.


    So they are not winners because you disagree with them and play differently? I bet you don't like other types of people that do not match your ideas of the "perfect" person (someone like yourself) as well?



    E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
    Erotica 1 wrote:

    The best advice I can give is to pay for a permit from the New Order. Many freighters carrying illegal mining supplies through highsec have been lost because they failed to pay for a permit and live by the Code. Also, do not violate the Code by autopiloting or engaging in other bot aspirant behaviors such as using a scout on another client.

    Also, be sure to pay the Goons their fee. If you do not, you are likely to be subjected to their inspections. If you hide your cargo in cans or plastic wrap (couriers), they are likely to blow up your ship to see what you are hiding.

    As for maximum value, carry only what you need and nothing more. If you are caught carrying goods for known Code violators, you will be subject to asset forfeiture.


    I will be so glad when the noob order fades away.


    We have been hearing that for quite a while now. It should be added to the bingo card. Yet instead, interest (as measured in pageviews) and membership only continues to increase!




    Biomass yourself.
    Kate stark
    #20 - 2013-10-12 12:08:23 UTC
    it's actually borderline insane how many RF trips you can pay for, for the price of a charon. also, if you can't make more in the time spent not hauling than you 'd spend on an RF contract... you're terrible at making isk (even mining, i was earning more isk/hour than it would cost to pay RF to do my hauling)

    i think it worked out at like 5m for a contract from my mining system to jita, yet in the time it'd take a charon to do a round trip i'd earn substantially more than that.

    Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
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