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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#121 - 2013-10-11 15:12:51 UTC
SKINE DMZ wrote:

So conclusion: it's personal. But should the person be banned or punished for saying it without knowing wether it's a personal issue or not? IMO it's down to the person with the personal issue, to sort out his issues. OVER AND OUT.



If you are ignorant as to whether something about to be said could be construed as a 'personal issue or not', you needed better parenting.

In Mr. H's persecution of a 'certain race' (yes, this means the Thread is officially derailed and OVER)......I believe it was more Mr. H's personal issues that were involved, not the ones murdered.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Othran
Route One
#122 - 2013-10-11 15:13:16 UTC
OP should claim you're from the UK* P

A "******" is a meatball in sauce and a "***" is slang for a cigarette Lol

*having bloody awful English is normal for most of England these days.
Tandros Kreel
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#123 - 2013-10-11 15:15:33 UTC
This thread really needs locked.

The amount of ignorance and stupidity being thrown around in here is just ridiculous.
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2013-10-11 15:16:37 UTC  |  Edited by: SKINE DMZ
Tippia wrote:
SKINE DMZ wrote:
Not at all, don't forget this is in a game
The environment does not alter the value of the speech act. If anything, it reinforces it since it has now spread to a new venue of interaction.

Wrong, the environment hugely affects the value, you didn't even know if what he said was meant or sarcasm, or simply a very bad joke or even a couple of cigarets. Of course it alters the value of the "speech act"! You can't tell the true emotion with the text on your screen, your mind connects the emotion to it based on how you feel about it.

About the comms and rules things, you are right but that doesn't mean what's going on there is disrespectful racial slur on an ongoing basis, which you all are so against.

You have both (the goon and you) resolved to hypocrisy and don't even see it Smile

I'm seriously out now gotta get some milk and a decent sandwich, if you'd like to continue this discussion feel free to send me an eve-mail, looking forward to it!

I disagree

Gaellia Bonaventure
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#125 - 2013-10-11 15:17:13 UTC
Yuix Grislin wrote:
You used an offensive homophobic word in a public channel.

It would have been the same had you used a racist word.

The GM acted appropriatly and you absolutly deserve your warning.

If you want to talk like that do it in a private channel where by passers don;t have to hear it.

EDIT: And your an idiot for posting this on GD.


^Pretty much this.

Bring your possibles.

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#126 - 2013-10-11 15:17:37 UTC
SKINE DMZ wrote:

So conclusion: it's personal. But should the person be banned or punished for saying it without knowing wether it's a personal issue or not? IMO it's down to the person with the personal issue, to sort out his issues. OVER AND OUT.

No. The offensive nature of a word is independent of the recipient. If I yell "******" into a NAACP meeting it's just as offensive as when I say it to an empty room.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#127 - 2013-10-11 15:18:29 UTC
You straight!!!!!!11111


Am I doing it right?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#128 - 2013-10-11 15:19:32 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Slade Trillgon wrote:
You straight!!!!!!11111


Am I doing it right?

You're missing thousands of years of systematic persecution and enforced social norms.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#129 - 2013-10-11 15:23:15 UTC
Amhra Rho wrote:
No Means No wrote:
fuk i swear i think im playing with 13 year olds

wtf is this sht we on 2013 u fukin idiot fuks ccp

fuk off everyone that thinks this is offensive, go hide under your fukin rock and fuk yourself in the asses motherfukers

Note to haters: there's always Barrens chat.


Chuck Norris?


Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#130 - 2013-10-11 15:23:46 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Slade Trillgon wrote:
You straight!!!!!!11111


Am I doing it right?

You're missing thousands of years of systematic persecution and enforced social norms.



You mean I am doing it wrong? :(
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#131 - 2013-10-11 15:26:11 UTC
I say x is bad. A lot of Goons do x. Therefore I'm a hypocrite.
Wow, I didn't realize we were so homogenous.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#132 - 2013-10-11 15:30:07 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I say x is bad. A lot of Goons do x. Therefore I'm a hypocrite.
Wow, I didn't realize we were so homogenous.



Welcome to the disenfranchised and discriminated against.

Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#133 - 2013-10-11 15:31:43 UTC
At the end of the day, you take offense to it and only you have the power to control your emotions.

As I tell black people I work and live with, they should take the Confederate Flag and make it their own, take as much power out of the symbol as you can through ownership. So all you homosexuals out there that take offense to the word '***'; stop taking offense to it anymore than someone calling you a ****, ass, douche..... and it will slowly lose the power you all imbue the word with with your massively negative reactions to the word.
Aiden Terona
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#134 - 2013-10-11 15:33:20 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I say x is bad. A lot of Goons do x. Therefore I'm a hypocrite.
Wow, I didn't realize we were so homogenous.

You must be new being a goon.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#135 - 2013-10-11 15:36:29 UTC
SKINE DMZ wrote:
Lucas Irvam wrote:
Naomi Anthar wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Naomi Anthar wrote:


Yes this is important part of all that ... nothing else. completly nothing else offensive was said there. And i got logs to prove it.
Suddenly the keres pilot - obiviously disapointed that their terribad trap did not work out there - said "it deserves to be reported". I was like - ok it's not like i was harrassing them 24/7 or went full ****** ... all i said was "you fags". Sure it was offensive , but it's EvE online not My little pony online. Words like that do appear , and noone cries around about it.

.


As a RL Gay Man, I highly resent my kind being used as a derogatory term.

Sorry, that's just the way it is. Choose an actually evil group of people to use for your idiotic name-calling.

Too bad a first offense is not perma-bannable. That would change your mind about things real quick.


I said i will not response to this topic. But here i have no choice but to do so.

If you could read topic and see my posts you would see that i did not actually tried to be homophobic. It was more like spontaneous reaction out there.

If you really want people to help fight against homophobs then , start improving yourself. Because right there i could report people for saying "you are straight" - i could find this offensive right if i were gay ?

Edit : and you should hope i don't change my mind. As i'm not racist or homophob right now. Unless you think i should change myself here.

First step to fight racists and all that kind is to stop being so damn sensitive or else you just ask people for more ... Black people that don't mind if someone will say around ****** are proff that they know what to do. Because there is difference how it was said , and if someone had malicious intents. Because if he had no bad intentions there - you shouldn't be that goddamn upset. Of course if someone is constantly showing bad attitude - it's another story.

If you will always look to find racist or homophob in someone ... then you will always find it in someone. Look for something and you will find it - they say.


This is a losing argument, and it's not new. You should stop.

TL;DR version is that you don't get to throw around language that is hateful and hurtful to entire groups of people while claiming that when YOU use the language, it means something different.

I disagree entirely, it's a ridiculous thing that people get this offended by calling someone out on their sexuality, wether they are or aren't shouldn't matter. Should a homosexual get angry for calling him a heterosexual? Exactly so why should a heterosexual get angry for being called a homosexual. IMO the person who gets angry over this should get banned for being a ******* tard Smile

Dramaqueens.


To some extent this correct in purely logical terms but in fact certain groups have been persecuted by society as whole and via the legal /judicial system. This has often occured over a very long period of time.

The Roma people, the Jewish peoples, the various African peoples, gingers, and indeed homosexual people.
When i was born the majority of people in the UK thought it wrong for a gay man to be a teacher. Today thankfully that is a minority view. At one point slavery was legal. i don't think i need mention the holocaust.
today we see similar movements starting up against the Muslim peoples , various immigrant communites etc.
Because of the huge amount of abuse and suffering these groups have endured and often still endure ( i would not enjoy being Jewish and playing eve i suspect) certain loaded language that has been paired with this abuse in the recent past has been deemed unacceptable by society.
At some point when homophobia , zenophobia , racism have truely been disgarded in the dustbin of history then the above arguments would be deemed valid but at that point the use of the word "***" as a term of abuse would be not abusive and people would pick a different word.
i find various prejuduces listed above distasteful (aprt from the ginger ones obviously http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw). on the other hand i dislike censorship of free speech even more.
anyway if u read this far please return to the trolling and i am sorry to have taken up your day.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

Rhatar Khurin
Doomheim
#136 - 2013-10-11 15:38:59 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
At the end of the day, you take offense to it and only you have the power to control your emotions.

As I tell black people I work and live with, they should take the Confederate Flag and make it their own, take as much power out of the symbol as you can through ownership. So all you homosexuals out there that take offense to the word '***'; stop taking offense to it anymore than someone calling you a ****, ass, douche..... and it will slowly lose the power you all imbue the word with with your massively negative reactions to the word.


Or the other way around if you have ever watched "Clerks 2" and have seen the "thing his grandma used to call him" that he wants to take back.

(i wont post a link or say the actual term, but if you know you know)
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
#137 - 2013-10-11 15:41:42 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
At the end of the day, you take offense to it and only you have the power to control your emotions.

As I tell black people I work and live with, they should take the Confederate Flag and make it their own, take as much power out of the symbol as you can through ownership. So all you homosexuals out there that take offense to the word '***'; stop taking offense to it anymore than someone calling you a ****, ass, douche..... and it will slowly lose the power you all imbue the word with with your massively negative reactions to the word.

This doesn't solve the problem. Blacks "owning" the confederate flag is one thing, but it does nothing for the reality of hate groups also claiming ownership of the confederate flag.

There's only one solution. Haters need to figure out that they're digging two graves - one for their victims and the other for themselves.

Quote:
Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. --Gautama Siddhartha, 523 BCE

There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance.

Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#138 - 2013-10-11 15:50:39 UTC
SKINE DMZ wrote:
Lucas Irvam wrote:
Naomi Anthar wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Naomi Anthar wrote:


Yes this is important part of all that ... nothing else. completly nothing else offensive was said there. And i got logs to prove it.
Suddenly the keres pilot - obiviously disapointed that their terribad trap did not work out there - said "it deserves to be reported". I was like - ok it's not like i was harrassing them 24/7 or went full ****** ... all i said was "you fags". Sure it was offensive , but it's EvE online not My little pony online. Words like that do appear , and noone cries around about it.

.


As a RL Gay Man, I highly resent my kind being used as a derogatory term.

Sorry, that's just the way it is. Choose an actually evil group of people to use for your idiotic name-calling.

Too bad a first offense is not perma-bannable. That would change your mind about things real quick.


I said i will not response to this topic. But here i have no choice but to do so.

If you could read topic and see my posts you would see that i did not actually tried to be homophobic. It was more like spontaneous reaction out there.

If you really want people to help fight against homophobs then , start improving yourself. Because right there i could report people for saying "you are straight" - i could find this offensive right if i were gay ?

Edit : and you should hope i don't change my mind. As i'm not racist or homophob right now. Unless you think i should change myself here.

First step to fight racists and all that kind is to stop being so damn sensitive or else you just ask people for more ... Black people that don't mind if someone will say around ****** are proff that they know what to do. Because there is difference how it was said , and if someone had malicious intents. Because if he had no bad intentions there - you shouldn't be that goddamn upset. Of course if someone is constantly showing bad attitude - it's another story.

If you will always look to find racist or homophob in someone ... then you will always find it in someone. Look for something and you will find it - they say.


This is a losing argument, and it's not new. You should stop.

TL;DR version is that you don't get to throw around language that is hateful and hurtful to entire groups of people while claiming that when YOU use the language, it means something different.

I disagree entirely, it's a ridiculous thing that people get this offended by calling someone out on their sexuality, wether they are or aren't shouldn't matter. Should a homosexual get angry for calling him a heterosexual? Exactly so why should a heterosexual get angry for being called a homosexual. IMO the person who gets angry over this should get banned for being a ******* tard Smile

Dramaqueens.


You're right. Let's call all white characters ni**ers - why should they get offended? They aint black? Roll

It's one thing to troll or grief...but using hateful language crosses the line, even for a game like EVE.

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB

Jax Zaden
Prometheus Deep Core Mining
#139 - 2013-10-11 15:51:37 UTC

A) Come up with a better insult - this is Eve Online for God sake - it has a learning curve that could make Hawking cry and you use a lowest common denominator insult like that? Use something like "You enjoyer for an alternative lifestyle which limits your access to healthcare and customary rights in some countries"

Or call them a "Missile Muncher" - not in relations to any sexual preference (just to be clear so I don't get a warning) and it can only be used if they are not Caldari - since other races would be the ones munching the missiles that Caldari's launch.

B) The players that reported you need to either grow up or get a thicker skin. Seriously, if someone calls me a name on a game (especially as uncreative as that) the last thing that I do is go cry to a GM. They are either playing GMs in an effort to grief or seriously need to play a different game.

C) Don't whine about it on the forums.
CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#140 - 2013-10-11 16:00:46 UTC
I am locking this thread. Homophobic insults are always against our rules. This includes on the forums.

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