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Implement something to get rid of 'Wanted' bounty, at a price.
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#21 - 2013-10-11 07:38:04 UTC
Yolo wrote:
What kind of an insurance company pays out insurance on a pilot that was killed due to his bounty, he is freaking WANTED.


I would expect most people have a bounty by now, simply for being in Jita or talking in Local or being in Eve-Radio chat or for whatever other strange reason people have put bounties on each other for.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-10-11 08:02:37 UTC
Kharush Rova wrote:
I think new players in EVE-Online are bound to make mistakes - and I feel that perhaps especially new players (on top of having to learn a complex game) - get rather 'punished' badly if they receive a bounty because they weren't sure how shooting works (for example).

I think there should be some way (at a price) - to remove or reduce bounty ISK.


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Yolo
Unknown Nation
#23 - 2013-10-11 08:29:46 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Yolo wrote:
What kind of an insurance company pays out insurance on a pilot that was killed due to his bounty, he is freaking WANTED.


I would expect most people have a bounty by now, simply for being in Jita or talking in Local or being in Eve-Radio chat or for whatever other strange reason people have put bounties on each other for.


So bounties needs some form of limitation, maybe increase minimum bounty to 25m Isk?

- since 2003, bitches
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#24 - 2013-10-11 08:57:57 UTC
Then newbies get 25 mil bounties and get even more paniced because it's more money than they have ever seen on their heads suddenly. At least 100k bounties they can understand the amount of isk.
Kharush Rova
Artec Industries
#25 - 2013-10-11 09:03:39 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Yolo wrote:
What kind of an insurance company pays out insurance on a pilot that was killed due to his bounty, he is freaking WANTED.


I would expect most people have a bounty by now, simply for being in Jita or talking in Local or being in Eve-Radio chat or for whatever other strange reason people have put bounties on each other for.


Exactly my point - and it shouldn't be like that.

In my opinion - bounties should be placed after having a legitimate reason to do so.

Not because someone entered a system or someone got bored.

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Perhaps the bounty system should be automatic - with different situations automatically placing different sets of bounties on players.

Or some sort of limitation on when someone can place a bounty.
Making it so that bounties cannot be handed out just at any time.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#26 - 2013-10-11 13:14:34 UTC
Yolo wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Yolo wrote:
What kind of an insurance company pays out insurance on a pilot that was killed due to his bounty, he is freaking WANTED.


I would expect most people have a bounty by now, simply for being in Jita or talking in Local or being in Eve-Radio chat or for whatever other strange reason people have put bounties on each other for.


So bounties needs some form of limitation, maybe increase minimum bounty to 25m Isk?
For one thing, most people do not have bounties. But even if it came to a point that half the population did, why should it be limited?

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Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-10-11 13:18:26 UTC
Kharush Rova wrote:
In my opinion - bounties should be placed after having a legitimate reason to do so.

"I don't like the look of your face" is a legitimate reason to place a bounty on someone in EVE.
Kharush Rova
Artec Industries
#28 - 2013-10-11 13:18:48 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Yolo wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Yolo wrote:
What kind of an insurance company pays out insurance on a pilot that was killed due to his bounty, he is freaking WANTED.


I would expect most people have a bounty by now, simply for being in Jita or talking in Local or being in Eve-Radio chat or for whatever other strange reason people have put bounties on each other for.


So bounties needs some form of limitation, maybe increase minimum bounty to 25m Isk?
For one thing, most people do not have bounties. But even if it came to a point that half the population did, why should it be limited?



Essentially what I'm getting at (as OP) - is trying to limit the way players (esp. griefers) - can hand out bounties just like that - for no apparent reason.

There is no system in place that monitors and regulates this and especially for new players who *BAM* receive a 1mil bounty, that might not be so bad for seasoned players - but for a newcomer - I imagine its very intimidating.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#29 - 2013-10-11 13:19:00 UTC
I don't see a problem here. The old Bounty system was a nightmare. The current one is designed to allow anyone to put a prize on your head for any reason, whenever they feel like it.

It accomplishes that. If the "Wanted" sign upsets some people that much, then I would suggest that they are playing the wrong game, and that I have heard wonderful things about Farmville.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#30 - 2013-10-11 13:32:02 UTC
Kharush Rova wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Yolo wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Yolo wrote:
What kind of an insurance company pays out insurance on a pilot that was killed due to his bounty, he is freaking WANTED.


I would expect most people have a bounty by now, simply for being in Jita or talking in Local or being in Eve-Radio chat or for whatever other strange reason people have put bounties on each other for.


So bounties needs some form of limitation, maybe increase minimum bounty to 25m Isk?
For one thing, most people do not have bounties. But even if it came to a point that half the population did, why should it be limited?



Essentially what I'm getting at (as OP) - is trying to limit the way players (esp. griefers) - can hand out bounties just like that - for no apparent reason.

There is no system in place that monitors and regulates this and especially for new players who *BAM* receive a 1mil bounty, that might not be so bad for seasoned players - but for a newcomer - I imagine its very intimidating.



Wait, so now someone is "griefing" you by putting a 100k ISK bounty on your head?

Shocked...goddamn the term has been watered down...

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#31 - 2013-10-11 13:40:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Kharush Rova wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Yolo wrote:


So bounties needs some form of limitation, maybe increase minimum bounty to 25m Isk?
For one thing, most people do not have bounties. But even if it came to a point that half the population did, why should it be limited?



Essentially what I'm getting at (as OP) - is trying to limit the way players (esp. griefers) - can hand out bounties just like that - for no apparent reason.

There is no system in place that monitors and regulates this and especially for new players who *BAM* receive a 1mil bounty, that might not be so bad for seasoned players - but for a newcomer - I imagine its very intimidating.
Why should you or I have a say, in what other players deem to be a valid reason for placing a bounty on someone? It's their ISK and if they wish someone to be wanted, then they have that right.

I'm constantly amazed that players wish to play in this sandbox, but only if it's by their own rules.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-10-11 13:42:40 UTC
I wonder how many people put a bounty on the OP by now.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#33 - 2013-10-11 13:47:59 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Kharush Rova wrote:
In my opinion - bounties should be placed after having a legitimate reason to do so.

"I don't like the look of your face" is a legitimate reason to place a bounty on someone in EVE.



I think the "best" one was "I have this idea and I'm gonna talk about it at Fanfest ... but make it sound like a sales pitch" ... think that guy got to something stupid high in bounties within 30 minutes or so.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Mag's
Azn Empire
#34 - 2013-10-11 13:50:52 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
I wonder how many people put a bounty on the OP by now.
Not enough for sure. Lol

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NearNihil
Jump Drive Appreciation Society
#35 - 2013-10-11 14:34:11 UTC
Bounties don't make you eligible for a whipping, being Suspect or Criminal does. If the Wanted tag honestly upsets you, shoot your ship a few times with an alt (heck, shoot once with noobship gun then selfdestruct) until it's gone.

Bounties are a nice little extra for PVPing, not the cause.
brinelan
#36 - 2013-10-11 17:19:16 UTC
Kharush Rova wrote:
Quote:
There is. Kill yourself. (with an alt)


I was thinking about some more 'official' way Lol


you mean like take a ship out to low/null and shoot people until you lose said ship, rinse and repeat until bounty is gone or you actually want to go back to something more boring.
Rael Rastephan
Stuck in Empire
#37 - 2013-10-28 04:02:36 UTC
NearNihil wrote:
Bounties don't make you eligible for a whipping, being Suspect or Criminal does. If the Wanted tag honestly upsets you, shoot your ship a few times with an alt (heck, shoot once with noobship gun then selfdestruct) until it's gone.

Bounties are a nice little extra for PVPing, not the cause.



Actually, the new bounty systems is an extra reward/incentive for ganking. What might not be profitable normally, might be profitable if a bounty exists. I definitely don't think removal should be an option. At most, they might limit it to support only giving bounties to character/corp/alliance that have flagged suspect or criminal, and only during the time that they are flagged.

Sure, you wouldn't be able to bounty the jita scammer, but is there really a point to putting a bounty on him/her? It would take flushing out what the rules are, but a bounty placement rule wouldn't be overbearing. It could even support such things as "both players are in < 0.5 system" in addition to other flags.

Consider. A miner is chilling out with his expensive exhumer. He can be ganked, of course. That isn't a question. Of course, if he's tanked, the gank will cost the ganker isk. It's griefing, which is fine. Now you give the miner 5mil or 25mil worth of bounties by random people who were just bored. Ganking the miner will now be profitable. Bounties placed on freighter pilots will also make them more profitable. It's debatable on if this is a good thing. From an in-game social viewpoint, I would think the various factions would frown on people just arbitrarily putting isk up to have people killed; at least in their own governed space.
Gnadolin
Space Pioneers
#38 - 2013-10-29 07:07:16 UTC
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Consider. A miner is chilling out with his expensive exhumer. He can be ganked, of course. That isn't a question. Of course, if he's tanked, the gank will cost the ganker isk. It's griefing, which is fine. Now you give the miner 5mil or 25mil worth of bounties by random people who were just bored. Ganking the miner will now be profitable. Bounties placed on freighter pilots will also make them more profitable. It's debatable on if this is a good thing. From an in-game social viewpoint, I would think the various factions would frown on people just arbitrarily putting isk up to have people killed; at least in their own governed space.


This

Bountys can be a legetimate way to get rid of competitioners in Mining and Freighting.

And though those people will rarely go Suspect or Criminal you have to be able to place bounty on "Innocents".
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