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Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#141 - 2013-10-11 09:50:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Slaver Filth
Rodj Blake wrote:
Slaver Filth wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

Filth, I have served with the Speakers. I know the Speakers. The Speakers have honour.

Filth, you're no Speaker.
So let me see if I have this correct, while serving in a military capacity from the safety of your capsule you saved a Speaker of Truths from harm and in the process became an expert on the Order, through some magical osmosis?


Myself and Brother Joshua worked together very closely during his investigation. During that time we got to know each other pretty well. He even shared with me the classified evidence against Lord Kor-Azor.

Whereas I doubt if you have ever been in the same building as a Speaker.



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Your loyalty to Court Chamberlain Dochuta Karsoth was just as unshakable an incorrect as your loyalty to Jamyl Sarum. Because as a military man you are not paid to question authority, it is your intellectual blind spot. You sir might be a fine pilot and skilled tactician, but clearly you are a noob as far as politics, history, or powers of observation are concerned. Kindly share a link of how you stood up to the former Court Chamberlain, or admit you were duped then also.


The interregnum was not the Empire's finest moment. But I did have some concerns at the time, and you may recall that on several occasions I did urge the Succession Committee to speed up the process of selecting a new Emperor.

The way I see it, this was the best way to ensure a return to normality. I doubt very much if throwing around accusations without evidence (which apparently is your idea of good politics) would have produced a better outcome.


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Honor is something your ilk of soldiers, who blindly follow orders, know little of. If you lack the spine to disobey an immoral order, or have dulled your ability to recognize fraudulent leadership then what little sense of honor you might have been capable of is invalidated. A man who does not know right from wrong can have no sense of honor.


Let me tell you the story of how I first met Brother Joshua of the Speakers of Truth.

Lord Kor-Azor ordered a detachment of dreadnoughts to bombard one of his own planets, Liparer II.

I was with a PIE force in the system at the time and we witnessed Brother Joshua convince some of Kor-Azor's most loyal captains to disobey their orders.

They disobeyed their orders in part because they realised that they were immoral.

We supported their decision then, and we support it now. The easy option would have been to support Kor-Azor because at the time it appeared that the orders were legally issued and the Liparer system was under his jurisdiction but we took the path of righteousness instead.

So how about you come back and talk about spine once you have stopped heckling from the sidelines, stopped making fraudulent claims about yourself and actually done something that benefits Amarr?

Nothing in the link you posted mentions one conversation you had with Brother Joshua, nothing.

Nothing in the link you posted mentioned you worked with Brother Joshua, nothing.

There would be no reason a Speaker Of Truths would share classified documents with a Militia soldier, you have no proof to back up your claims, nothing.

I can tell you many stories of the times I spent with Brother Joshua, just like yours they would be without proof, but your stories are gospel and mine are not according to you. LOL the arrogance of the tiny military mind is quite entertaining.

But since you have used the link as a reputable source of facts how do you explain this? Killed five years ago? But some how not a clone?

Without the supporting proof you demand of me your words have even less clout, you were a capsuleer in space, claiming to have instant knowledge of an entire order by unconfirmed conversations with one member. I doubt that would convince even your friends, when they speak to you in private. In your zeal to marginalize my statements you have drawn attention to the weakness of your own vast claims, including all your ... ahem medals awarded to you and you alone by PIE.

Now you can play to your audience of Corp and Alliance members here and revel in their back slaps, but you know we all know you never spoke to Brother Joshua, you never challenged orders from the former Court Chamberlain. You and several hundred and perhaps thousand other Militia soldiers help defend Brother Joshua from harm. You are to be commended for that good deed, but beyond that there is not one shred of evidence to support your expansive never before told tale.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#142 - 2013-10-11 10:00:34 UTC
Slaver Filth wrote:
But since you have used the link as a reputable source of facts how do you explain this? Killed five years ago? But some how not a clone?


Yes, it's called a miracle.

This concept is not something that one of the faithful should struggle with.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#143 - 2013-10-11 10:23:55 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Slaver Filth wrote:
But since you have used the link as a reputable source of facts how do you explain this? Killed five years ago? But some how not a clone?


Yes, it's called a miracle.

This concept is not something that one of the faithful should struggle with.
"So the Lord sent forth the Chosen,
to bring forth the light of faith
And those who embrace his love
Shall be saved by his grace
For we are his shepherds in the darkness
His Angels of Mercy.
But those who turn away from his light,
And reject his true word
Shall be struck down by his wrath
For we are his retribution incarnate
His Angels of Vengeance"
- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45

The faithful do not shirk from performing God's will. A miracle hidden may in fact be no miracle at all. A slight of hands, a one off never to be replicated, not unlike the mysterious wonder weapon that has also vanished. Being a fool is NOT a prerequisite for having faith.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#144 - 2013-10-11 10:34:16 UTC
Slaver Filth wrote:
There would be no reason a Speaker Of Truths would share classified documents with a Militia soldier, you have no proof to back up your claims, nothing.

...

You and several hundred and perhaps thousand other Militia soldiers help defend Brother Joshua from harm.


No militia existed at that time, as the Elder War had not yet occurred.
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#145 - 2013-10-11 10:41:47 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Slaver Filth wrote:
There would be no reason a Speaker Of Truths would share classified documents with a Militia soldier, you have no proof to back up your claims, nothing.

...

You and several hundred and perhaps thousand other Militia soldiers help defend Brother Joshua from harm.


No militia existed at that time, as the Elder War had not yet occurred.
The concept of local Militia predates the Concord action, so stop with the silly petty pebble throwing. Loyalists, Militia, vigilantes, rebels, guerillas, terrorists, freedom fighters, all can be used almost completely interchangeably depending on your point of view.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#146 - 2013-10-11 10:54:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Slaver Filth wrote:

Nothing in the link you posted mentions one conversation you had with Brother Joshua, nothing.

Nothing in the link you posted mentioned you worked with Brother Joshua, nothing.




The links clearly say that I did work with Brother Joshua, and I think we can agree at the very least that it would be rather hard to organise the escort of someone's ship without speaking to them.



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There would be no reason a Speaker Of Truths would share classified documents with a Militia soldier, you have no proof to back up your claims, nothing.


I suppose you'd like me to publish those classified documents would you? Ain't gonna happen.



Quote:

I can tell you many stories of the times I spent with Brother Joshua, just like yours they would be without proof, but your stories are gospel and mine are not according to you. LOL the arrogance of the tiny military mind is quite entertaining.


If you want to accuse an independent news source of lying then please, go ahead. But don't come running to me when people start laughing at you more than they already are.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#147 - 2013-10-11 10:57:35 UTC
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/speaker-of-truths-saved-by-pie-inc-and-ordo-quaesitoris-1/

There should be no doubt that Rodj is telling the truth on this particular issue. That you are questioning it just makes you look even more absurd than you already are.

Who is paying you? You must be someone's straw man.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#148 - 2013-10-11 11:19:37 UTC
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/speaker-of-truths-saved-by-pie-inc-and-ordo-quaesitoris-1/

There should be no doubt that Rodj is telling the truth on this particular issue. That you are questioning it just makes you look even more absurd than you already are.

Who is paying you? You must be someone's straw man.
There is not one word in this independent report that verifies Rodj ever left his capsule,
that Rodj ever spoke directly to Brother Joshua.

He and members of several Loyalists groups included one with Militia in its name escorted Brother Joshua, and since this wasn't a dance I don't think they held his hand as he walked into the room.

In a predictable manner you are trying to confuse and conflate the public report with the IGS statements made by Rodj.

The Public report states Rodj joined with Brother Joshua as an escort.

It does not say they shared classified documents, and shared a Quafe together.

The IGS link written by Rodj does not say he talked with Brother Joshua, it states the honor it was to escort him.

Spin it all you like but you can not prove his statements with what you have presented, because he is lying.

Rodj Blake did not talk to Brother Joshua we all know this, and so do you.

So keep kissing his ass like a loyal toady but your boy stepped on his own Johnson by claiming what he can not prove all the while throwing stones at what he claims others can not prove, classic over zealous screw up, so man up and admit it.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#149 - 2013-10-11 11:22:53 UTC
Oh my goodness. The apocalypse truly is nigh. I'm on the same side as PIE Inc. in an argument because PIE Inc. is the one that has the better grasp on reality.

As the Amarrians say, saints wept.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#150 - 2013-10-11 13:08:14 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
(ED: inner quotes snipped)

His lordship understood your point entirely. It is not our place to question the policies instituted by those so far above us. Those who do have the necessary authority and wisdom to do such are not members of this forum.

Think of a government as a feedback system. Blind obedience to a government's dictates breaks that feedback, and en masse, causes the system to malfunction (i.e. not behave as intended). Unless you're arguing that the Amarrian government is designed to run open-loop *chuckles* i.e. that it's right and proper for it to adopt an extreme position if left with no or moderate inputs for a period of time...because that's what an open-loop, high-gain system does under the circumstances, and if anything, governments amplify inputs dramatically as a normal consequence of the policymaking process. In other words, the Empress is a very effective (and hopefully divinely inspired, at least if you're an Imperial citizen) megaphone-of-sorts, taking small ideas and converting them into something that will have a significant impact on some portion of the Imperial citizenry.


Now, where'd I leave that 3320 again?


I think we might argue this better as a philosophical topic. I really don't see what even any foreigner would have specifically against Empress Jamyl I. Considering her policies so far, it hasn't seemed that anyone here would have much of a reason to call her into question. Between the emancipation order and her continuation of the Pax Ammaria in the face of aggression, you would think that if someone was going to disagree with His Eminence's proclmation it wouldn't be during this Empress's reign. We have a fairly significant emperor in our history that we can refer to if we need to know when the Scriptural doctrine of obedience can be overshadowed by our command to uphold the tenets of the faith.

Philosophically, it is also important that we are brought together under the command of the Empress. Even if someone disagrees with her edict, it is important that we still comply until she begins to truly contravene the Scriptures and does significant harm to the Empire. Politically, it means we don't have a continuous opposition whose purpose is essentially to hinder the government. While I think ideally the idea is that an opposition balances and checks the government in federal systems where it works, I think more often the opposition has a habit of even causing harm and blaming it on the government in power if they can.

The Empire being what it is, you can always present a view against an idea the Empress has. That isn't necessarily illegal in and of itself. However, His Eminence is completely correct that calling the authority and divinity of the Empress into question is illegal and punishable by sentences up to and including death. The Scriptures say she rules by the will of God and to call her into question means you might think you don't need to follow her edicts. It is extremely important that the Imperial seat has the power to take right but unpopular actions in the interest of the Empire. Governments who are too heavily reliant on public opinion will sometimes do what is popular rather than what is necessary or right.

Well put overall, sir Baracca. There is a fine balance between the feedback that is necessary to stabilize the operations of government (make it so that it converges on a reasonable output given a step-change in inputs) and excessive feedback, which leads to a government that is seen as sluggish and unresponsive. (Look at underdamped vs. critically damped vs. overdamped systems in control theory :)

There is a case for "right but unpopular" in any government; in fact, one of the talents of a good governing apparatus is the ability to sell something that is indeed correct but contravenes popular opinion. Do keep in mind that not all feedback stems from public opinion: statistical study and analysis provides a powerful source of feedback as well, and one that can be very useful for keeping ill-informed opinions in check. Being able to point at a set of well-designed and verified studies as the justification for a policy is probably more convincing than a popular vote, even.

I do agree that a dedicated opposition movement, as in 'we are politically against everything the current government does', can diverge just like a governing body can. The best sources of negative feedback are those who oppose a policy based on merit and/or impact, not just because 'we don't want to listen LA LA LA'.
Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#151 - 2013-10-11 14:57:44 UTC
Slaver Filth wrote:
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/speaker-of-truths-saved-by-pie-inc-and-ordo-quaesitoris-1/

There should be no doubt that Rodj is telling the truth on this particular issue. That you are questioning it just makes you look even more absurd than you already are.

Who is paying you? You must be someone's straw man.
There is not one word in this independent report that verifies Rodj ever left his capsule,
that Rodj ever spoke directly to Brother Joshua.

He and members of several Loyalists groups included one with Militia in its name escorted Brother Joshua, and since this wasn't a dance I don't think they held his hand as he walked into the room.

In a predictable manner you are trying to confuse and conflate the public report with the IGS statements made by Rodj.

The Public report states Rodj joined with Brother Joshua as an escort.

It does not say they shared classified documents, and shared a Quafe together.

The IGS link written by Rodj does not say he talked with Brother Joshua, it states the honor it was to escort him.

Spin it all you like but you can not prove his statements with what you have presented, because he is lying.

Rodj Blake did not talk to Brother Joshua we all know this, and so do you.

So keep kissing his ass like a loyal toady but your boy stepped on his own Johnson by claiming what he can not prove all the while throwing stones at what he claims others can not prove, classic over zealous screw up, so man up and admit it.


First we established you tell lies, not speak the truth... and now this spectacular display of faulty logic.

I would tell you to quit while you had a shred of credibility left, but I appear to be too late.

Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past."
Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#152 - 2013-10-11 15:34:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Odelya d'Hanguest
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
Glad to see we are taking a stand on this, Admiral. Even if those like Ms. d'Hanguest are not direct subjects of the Empress they should at very least show some respect. I expect the MIO to be no more than mildly bemused by their opinons, but I am always for telling people to mind their manners.
So now it is the place of failed court poets to judge the nobles? Yah, a party of foolish jesters you truly are. And you dare to talk about “understanding following proper procedure.” Preposterous. Preposterous. Preposterous!


My apologies if I have offended you, my lady. I still respect the Kingdom and those who hold titles within it immensely, but I am also not afraid to tell you in this case that it is in your best interests to keep the discourse between yourself and those of the Empire civil.

As you are a Holder you are a representative of your nation, just as Lord-Admiral Lok'ri is a representative of ours. We are allies and as such should respect one another enough that things like this are never an issue. I know that I am a mere commoner and that I perhaps do not know enough about matters of sovereignty and disputed titles to comment, but I do believe this much is obvious. I humbly suggest you retract your previous statements and apologize for any offence given so that we might put this affair behind us and get back to the proper business of keeping the faithful out of harms way in the current war.
Aldrith,

I accept your apology. Since I cannot judge your poetry myself yet, I also take back what I said about it, and invite you give us a performance on Khanid Prime. I assure you that I do not hold any personal grudge against you.

The respect you demand of me is hard to afford when at the same time the fanatics Gaven Lok’ri and Rodj Blake publicly declare me a heretic for expressing a theological opinion, and issue empty threats. Rest assured that the Kingdom will resist any chauvinist efforts of domination. We are allies, not master and servant.

Odelya d’Hanguest
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#153 - 2013-10-11 15:38:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Louella Dougans wrote:

You are not in a position to demand anything of myself.

And the claim that Velators were "impossible" to be owned and flown by non-Gallente is... ludicrous.

It transpires that the agent "Kiera Alidaar" is a name used by an ethnic Gallente, who uncovered several genocidalists, such as Andreus, in a scheme described on the IGS years ago.

So, it is you that should make the apology.


I'm not making a demand. I'm just letting you know that if you are truly a faithful Amarrian, you'll understand the severity of your actions.

Also, it was only last year that the Velator was released to non Gallente capsuleers. The neocom version appears to be before YC114.

Kiera Alidaar is a fake identity, created specifically for the purpose of fabricating evidence against Ixiris. The links leading to the "evidence" in that thread are impossible to follow which suggests that they have either been removed for fraud or have never existed in the first place.

In the thread, Pilot Vikarion claims he has other evidence that he has saved for a later date. I think over three years later is late enough. Surely you would be able to contact him and ask to provide such evidence for analysis. You brought this mess up again after it's been put to rest,

The mythical Kiera Alidaar claims that she had no loyalty to the Federation, yet she was allegedly enrolled in the Federal Navy Academy, which requires an oath to enter as well as Federal citizenship. As far as her fake ID suggests, she's been in the FNA for over four years and counting so if she actually does exist, then she is certainly loyal. Yet another major discrepancy in this ludicrous conspiracy.

As far as we can decipher, there is no evidence to suggest that Ixiris and LeHane are the same person or entity, other than first name and nationality. Interestingly enough, you have absolutely no explanation for the odd timestamp, the extremely quiet communications channel, as well as a mismatched writing style.

Also, it appears I am not the first one to notice these blatantly obvious discrepancies.

Faraelle Brightman wrote:
I find a lot of curious coincidences and oddities in that accusation.

I find it odd that the clock on the Neocom display reads 07:45, barely 20 minutes before the image was posed by Vikarion (although we don't know on what day the image was made).

I find it odd that Vikarion would, short of illicit hacking, have contact with Kiera Alidaar (which would be required for him to obtain that image), when he is posturing as a very loyal Caldari and she, as he has pointed out, made posts calling for exterminating Caldari. Nor very believable that such contact could be made quickly.

I find it odd that the public data profile of Kiera Alidaar (Federal Naval Academy), though some months old, bears no standings citations or any other notes of interest, something a new capsuleer generaly picks up within a day of acquiring their licence. (I have no idea why the space pictured behind the Neocom appears to be a Velator somewhere in Syndicate.)

I find it an interesting coincidence that Kiera Alidaar's only other post, besides the two cited, is apparently a note in support of the so-called "Tomorowland Orphanage". Said organization is allegedly a Sansha front, put up by Naqam (wonder what happened to them) as part of their propaganda efforts to apear wholesome in the eyes of the public. I find this especially interesting because Vikarion is on public record as being a supporter of pro-Sansha organizations. A body, I would point out, that is terribly experienced and frustratingly good at fighting the propaganda war.


Interestingly enough, Vikarion made absolutely no attempts at trying to explain or refute the counter evidence that Ms. Brightman provided. I wouldn't like to take a jab at him right now as we are discussing your use of fabricated evidence, not his, but it's important to think about.

I don't need to make an apology. I've done nothing wrong. In the eyes of the law I certainly haven't. My society and culture certainly doesn't think so as skepticism is a trademark of our race. And considering that I don't have any faith, I'm not committing any religious taboos. You on the other hand are...

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#154 - 2013-10-11 15:52:31 UTC
You would be wise not to ignore Verin's post shortly after Faraelle's. Or, for that matter, the content of Vikarion's post, where he very clearly states that Ms. Alidaar was a paid agent of his corporation.

At the time of the incident Verin mentions, I worked for the organization that owned and operated the Skyhook.

I also very clearly recall said incident, and could probably find security recordings if I were to dig around a bit.

Selective reading, much?

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#155 - 2013-10-11 16:00:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Morwen Lagann wrote:
You would be wise not to ignore Verin's post shortly after Faraelle's. Or, for that matter, the content of Vikarion's post, where he very clearly states that Ms. Alidaar was a paid agent of his corporation.

At the time of the incident Verin mentions, I worked for the organization that owned and operated the Skyhook.

I also very clearly recall said incident, and could probably find security recordings if I were to dig around a bit.

Selective reading, much?


If Alidaar was a payed agent of Vikaron's corporation then surely there would be wallet transactions to support this. Why have they not been provided?

If the security footage is apparently so clear and readily available why was it not provided three years ago or even now?

You could call it selective reading, mainly because I filter out the bullshit.

I am a man of science, and in the scientific community you either provide evidence to back up your claims or you get called a liar. If it can't be proven, it's false. Simple as that.

If we're going to play the "I have evidence that I refuse to show you!" game, then I'll be happy to play along. Clearly Ixiris is not a genocidal maniac because I have here a wallet transaction that shows he donated over 300 trillion ISK to Caldari orphans. In addition to this, his stock portfolio shows a heavy investment in major Caldari megacorps. I also have footage of him having tea with Mens Repolla. Not to mention that he has a baptismal certificate directly from the Empire! Based on this evidence, he is clearly not genocidal towards neither the Caldari nor the Amarr.

I refuse to show you any of it though. But the mere act of saying I have evidence is enough right?

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#156 - 2013-10-11 16:56:43 UTC
My fluid-router seems to keep having technical issues, this is the list thread, yes? I'm going to have to kill another technician, I seem to keep ending up in this derailed flamed-out wreckage of a thread by mistake.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#157 - 2013-10-11 16:57:45 UTC
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote:

Well put overall, sir Baracca. There is a fine balance between the feedback that is necessary to stabilize the operations of government (make it so that it converges on a reasonable output given a step-change in inputs) and excessive feedback, which leads to a government that is seen as sluggish and unresponsive. (Look at underdamped vs. critically damped vs. overdamped systems in control theory :)

There is a case for "right but unpopular" in any government; in fact, one of the talents of a good governing apparatus is the ability to sell something that is indeed correct but contravenes popular opinion. Do keep in mind that not all feedback stems from public opinion: statistical study and analysis provides a powerful source of feedback as well, and one that can be very useful for keeping ill-informed opinions in check. Being able to point at a set of well-designed and verified studies as the justification for a policy is probably more convincing than a popular vote, even.

I do agree that a dedicated opposition movement, as in 'we are politically against everything the current government does', can diverge just like a governing body can. The best sources of negative feedback are those who oppose a policy based on merit and/or impact, not just because 'we don't want to listen LA LA LA'.


I think that is true, and wisdom would dictate that we often do do such studies so that we have empirical evidence on which to base our decisions. I think, in the end, the Caldari generally win out over us all in terms of sheer research on empirical evidence, but I think that is something that should be emulated by other governments, including my own. Certainly, it would form a better basis for dissent rather than attacking the Empress' character or religious standing.

Sometimes, I do think the Theology Council can be a bit harsh in controlling opinion, but His Eminence is certainly correct in this case. We, as Amarrians, simply have a responsibility to trust in the good name of the Imperial seat. No matter how much you dislike a policy of the government, it is important that such dissent remains respectful and cognizant of her place in our Scriptural doctrine. Like it or not, she is the head of the government and her word is law.

Luckily, I don't have to make this argument during a time when the Empire is suffering questionable leadership. When the Empress has intervened, it has been for great good. For the most part, she seems to be letting the Privy Council handle the detail work rather than making too many sweeping changes at once. While all this would similarly be true if the Empress was being a cruel, selfish tyrant, I'm very fortunate to say that another reason we should respect the Empress's seat is because she has done so well to earn it. Her piety is beyond question, and her decisions have made us a better, brighter people.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#158 - 2013-10-11 17:20:58 UTC
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
Aldrith,

I accept your apology. Since I cannot judge your poetry myself yet, I also take back what I said about it, and invite you give us a performance on Khanid Prime. I assure you that I do not hold any personal grudge against you.

The respect you demand of me is hard to afford when at the same time the fanatics Gaven Lok’ri and Rodj Blake publicly declare me a heretic for expressing a theological opinion, and issue empty threats. Rest assured that the Kingdom will resist any chauvinist efforts of domination. We are allies, not master and servant.

Odelya d’Hanguest


You confuse me, Lady d'Hanguest.

Why are you surprised by less than positive responses from Empire Loyalists for blatant and impolitic attacks on the institutions and orthodoxy of the Empire?

It further confuses that these attacks serve neither Kingdom nor Empire. I doubt that his royal highness would thank you for such essays if he was aware of them. (Although I suppose a little agitprop can be useful on occasion. I suppose there is a remote chance I might be surprised there.)

And yet you serve in the Crusade? And by your recent statement to me, you are urging your alliance not to participate in offenses as if that is somehow punishing those that offended you.

The fleet that PIE started (with cooperation with Sarah Mattson, Diggers and several other militia entities) took seven systems, by the way. Good thing your Alliance's help wasn't crucial that day.

Who's interests do you think you are serving?

Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past."
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#159 - 2013-10-11 17:57:54 UTC
Zelarrs Elkoth wrote:
Slaver Filth wrote:
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/speaker-of-truths-saved-by-pie-inc-and-ordo-quaesitoris-1/

There should be no doubt that Rodj is telling the truth on this particular issue. That you are questioning it just makes you look even more absurd than you already are.

Who is paying you? You must be someone's straw man.
There is not one word in this independent report that verifies Rodj ever left his capsule,
that Rodj ever spoke directly to Brother Joshua.

He and members of several Loyalists groups included one with Militia in its name escorted Brother Joshua, and since this wasn't a dance I don't think they held his hand as he walked into the room.

In a predictable manner you are trying to confuse and conflate the public report with the IGS statements made by Rodj.

The Public report states Rodj joined with Brother Joshua as an escort.

It does not say they shared classified documents, and shared a Quafe together.

The IGS link written by Rodj does not say he talked with Brother Joshua, it states the honor it was to escort him.

Spin it all you like but you can not prove his statements with what you have presented, because he is lying.

Rodj Blake did not talk to Brother Joshua we all know this, and so do you.

So keep kissing his ass like a loyal toady but your boy stepped on his own Johnson by claiming what he can not prove all the while throwing stones at what he claims others can not prove, classic over zealous screw up, so man up and admit it.


First we established you tell lies, not speak the truth... and now this spectacular display of faulty logic.

I would tell you to quit while you had a shred of credibility left, but I appear to be too late.
The ever ready puckered lips of another PIE ass kisser, you all should create another medal for that.

The Order Of Lips Pressed To Soiled Butt Cheeks presented for devoutly supporting forum lies and toeing the corp/ alliance line while completely ignoring facts, logic, and reason.

Perfect adornment for those lacking the courage to tell a corp/ alliance mate in public to roll back the bluster and the lies he publishes on IGS.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2013-10-11 18:03:07 UTC
Slaver Filth wrote:
Zelarrs Elkoth wrote:
Slaver Filth wrote:
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/speaker-of-truths-saved-by-pie-inc-and-ordo-quaesitoris-1/

There should be no doubt that Rodj is telling the truth on this particular issue. That you are questioning it just makes you look even more absurd than you already are.

Who is paying you? You must be someone's straw man.
There is not one word in this independent report that verifies Rodj ever left his capsule,
that Rodj ever spoke directly to Brother Joshua.

He and members of several Loyalists groups included one with Militia in its name escorted Brother Joshua, and since this wasn't a dance I don't think they held his hand as he walked into the room.

In a predictable manner you are trying to confuse and conflate the public report with the IGS statements made by Rodj.

The Public report states Rodj joined with Brother Joshua as an escort.

It does not say they shared classified documents, and shared a Quafe together.

The IGS link written by Rodj does not say he talked with Brother Joshua, it states the honor it was to escort him.

Spin it all you like but you can not prove his statements with what you have presented, because he is lying.

Rodj Blake did not talk to Brother Joshua we all know this, and so do you.

So keep kissing his ass like a loyal toady but your boy stepped on his own Johnson by claiming what he can not prove all the while throwing stones at what he claims others can not prove, classic over zealous screw up, so man up and admit it.


First we established you tell lies, not speak the truth... and now this spectacular display of faulty logic.

I would tell you to quit while you had a shred of credibility left, but I appear to be too late.
The ever ready puckered lips of another PIE ass kisser, you all should create another medal for that.

The Order Of Lips Pressed To Soiled Butt Cheeks presented for devoutly supporting forum lies and toeing the corp/ alliance line while completely ignoring facts, logic, and reason.

Perfect adornment for those lacking the courage to tell a corp/ alliance mate in public to roll back the bluster and the lies he publishes on IGS.


Wow, you can almost taste the butthurt.

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