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high sec travel - transporting expensive low volume goods
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Isinero
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-10-11 09:47:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Isinero
Hello I would like to ask whats best for transporting low volume goods which is really expensive.

I just want to have something what is impossible to catch at gate.

I can see possibilities like
Interceptor, cloak transport ship, covertops or stealth bomber (or even frigate - its not problem to get it to 1,6 align time)

thanks you very much for advice:-) (currently I can use covertops and stealth bomber, daredevil and it have something like 1,37 align time and more than 11 warp speed and still 140 cargo which is not bad). I will mainly use it for (plex, salvage, tags and other things with low volume but high price)

covert ops cloak or allign time under 2 ?
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-10-11 10:03:49 UTC
the cargohold of blockade runners cannot be cargo-scanned, so they rarely get attacked in hisec. otherwise, i found regular t1 frigates with nanofibers quite useful.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Isinero
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-10-11 10:06:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Isinero
you are right that its quite risky to attack blockade runner because you never know if he is just flying with empty cargo or not :-) and I am not even talking about covert ops cloak

I checked it and I will be able to fit blockade runner to have around 18,5K lowest effective hp (so at least 1 tornado wont be enough) and allign time around 3 and covert ops cloak :-D and no one know will know if they should try it or not. The only problem is that I dont have a skills for it :-) (few days will be needed for it on another account)

But I will probably train it will be probably best choice and if I will need I can easily fit it for more cargo and thanks to covert ops cloak I dont need to take care about align time so much (maybe only if something will be too close and I wont be able to cloak)
Lydia vanPersie
Soltech Armada
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#4 - 2013-10-11 12:43:54 UTC
Courier contract with collateral 1*5x the value of the items. Let someone else deal with the Niarja gate.

(^;
Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-10-11 12:53:04 UTC
Isinero wrote:
you are right that its quite risky to attack blockade runner because you never know if he is just flying with empty cargo or not :-) and I am not even talking about covert ops cloak

I checked it and I will be able to fit blockade runner to have around 18,5K lowest effective hp (so at least 1 tornado wont be enough) and allign time around 3 and covert ops cloak :-D and no one know will know if they should try it or not. The only problem is that I dont have a skills for it :-) (few days will be needed for it on another account)

But I will probably train it will be probably best choice and if I will need I can easily fit it for more cargo and thanks to covert ops cloak I dont need to take care about align time so much (maybe only if something will be too close and I wont be able to cloak)


Don't bother with a sheild tank on it, it will just make your sig bigger so the tornadoes get a faster lock.

Go for a fast align time and fast warp speed.

No-one in hi-sec bothers to try to catch cloaky haulers. There are many other easier targets.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-10-11 13:07:44 UTC
My general BR fit uses an MWD (in case I've got to burn fast to get back to a gate), shield hardeners (which don't blow up the signature), and a variable fit in the lows, starting with one warp core stab and nanofibers in the other slots, swapping out for expanded cargoholds as my cargo increases. I use cargohold optimization rigs so I can transport a flat-packed cruiser in my Viator if need be.

Blockade runners align fairly quickly, more so with nanofibers, and they have the covert-ops cloak advantage, plus they travel in warp more quickly than anything short of a covops scout or an interceptor. Add to that the fact that a ganker can't tell whether the hold is full of wormhole loot or nothing but spiderwebs, there's no guarantee he'll get the kill even if he locks in time to take the shot, and the easier targets flying through, and you're probably in pretty good shape.

(When I'm in the Niarja pipe, I generally fly something with either a covops cloak or a hefty brick tank.)

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#7 - 2013-10-11 13:13:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
In highsec, a covert OPS cloak gives you an effective align time of 1 tick without fear of intentional decloaking. A max agility intie or other frigate will give you 2, but with a vastly smaller signature.

In highsec a cloaky hauler is almost completely safe against ganking, provided you follow a couple of rules:

1. Never autopilot.
2. Make and use undocking bookmarks for all the major stations you visit.
3. Always use your cloak to travel.

A cov-ops or a blockade runner will serve you well. For HS, fit for good hyperspace speed, cargo and align. In that order.
Isinero
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-10-11 13:27:56 UTC
Thanks for advice :-) (I will train blockade runner)
for autopilot I will use a Brick :-) (so they will lost more than they will gain :-) and for super fast traveling I will have a daredevil :-)
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#9 - 2013-10-11 13:36:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
Have in mind though, no amount of tank is going to help you if you autopilot with a cargo worth the gank. Especially since you can only fit passive modules. Don't autopilot.
Isinero
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-10-11 13:40:24 UTC
Bertrand Butler wrote:
Have in mind though, no amount of tank is going to help you if you autopilot with a cargo worth the gank. Especially since you can only fit passive modules. Don't autopilot.


yeah .... its clear :-D (to be honest I never autopilot at all but if I really want to do it I autopilot only with mega tank which is not worth to shoot down or if they shoot me down they can but it will cost them more than me :-))) )
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-10-11 13:42:01 UTC
Why would you move plex through space... you now you can remotely use it?


I would discourage a non-cloaky frigate.... I tried that once.... apparently someone scanned me in Jita, I made it to perimeter, and as I landed on the gate to jump ot of perimeter.... Boom, a Smartbomb Geddon got me.

If they can see where you warped to.... they can tell a buddy or have an alt waiting for you at the gate, and a frigate will pop due to smartbombs.

When I move small high value items now, I use a Rokh, Abaddon, or Rattlesnake, full buffer tank fit T2 mods and rigs (and when the high value item is a tank module, like a Pith-A type invuln, all the better, it goes on the Rokh/Rattlesnake)
Ben Okia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-10-11 13:46:11 UTC
Which Blockade Runner do you prefer?
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-10-11 14:01:39 UTC
Courier contracts if it's a few hundred MISK. From experience ones with over 1-2 bil in collateral don't get picked up often.

Blue Frog is a branch of Red Frog which deals in high value cargo, search for it or join the RF in-game chat.

Unironically JFs can be good if your destination is near a lowsec system. Even for gate-to-gate travel in highsec they have a bigger tank than regular freighters.

Anything with a covops cloak is nearly unscannable (cloak as soon as you start warping), and people will rarely set up SB camps to gank you for the lulz. However beware very busy gates: it's possible that you jump in to a system such that you're within 2k of someone else and can't cloak.

A covops T3 cruiser should be close to ungankable in highsec (except for the above jumping on top of someone situation).
Isinero
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-10-11 14:21:00 UTC
T3 cruiser will be really very hard to gang even if something goes wrong, because you can fit there cover ops cloak, have "fine" align time and have some nice tank which will require lot of sacrifice to gang it. (basically its all in one even with 1000 cargo hold which is not bad)

easier to fly for me because I have it maxed :-)
notha atfast
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-10-11 15:56:28 UTC
This may sound weird but I use an Ishtar. Shield Buffed with hardeners. I get around 45K EHP so it's going to take a few Nado's to take it down. It aligns at cruiser speeds and can haul 1K M^3 of cargo. plus most people don't look to gank HAC's...who hauls in a HAC anyway :)
YesYes NoNoNo
Karmic Rebalance
#16 - 2013-10-11 17:25:39 UTC
Lydia vanPersie wrote:
Courier contract with collateral 1*5x the value of the items. Let someone else deal with the Niarja gate.


This really is the best way to go about it.

You quite literally can't lose.
Baggo Hammers
#17 - 2013-10-11 17:26:27 UTC
If you fly a blockade runner correctly you will never get targeted.

If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
YesYes NoNoNo
Karmic Rebalance
#18 - 2013-10-11 17:43:26 UTC
Baggo Hammers wrote:
If you fly a blockade runner correctly you will never get targeted.


Unless you get unlucky, and jump thru a busy gate close enough to someone that you can't re-cloak after you hit warp.
Old Phill
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-10-11 22:52:37 UTC
The new Soe ships will be great mainly the cruiser nice ehp dont need to fly a t3 so you can cloak with cov ops and have a nice bit of ehp i wouldnt be surprised at 50k and such all while your invisable so no worry about being insta popped
Sebastor Cane
The Outlet
#20 - 2013-10-11 23:21:32 UTC
I used to use a shuttle to take a billion isk out of Jita and take it to amarr


Straight line bookmark out of jita.

warp from gate to gate with manual control all of the way.

(never autopilot ever)
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