Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm not sure why anyone wants to punish people for trying to travel in small ships. It's unnecessary and will just add more annoyance, frustration and hassle to a part of the game that needs as little of those things as possible. It will also serve to undo the exact thing that CCP is attempting to achieve with this change.

On a more constructive note, as long as CCP has decided to mess around with warp speeds on ships larger than cruisers, perhaps they should increase the rate at which they accelerate to their new max speed instead of nerfing it. Or if the acceleration must be nerfed, nerf it a little less harshly. On a 40-AU warp, my Marauders on SiSi never even reach 2 AU/sec, let alone spend any useful time there.

EDIT: To the poster above me - Learn what a "strawman" is, learn the difference between "angry, emotional ranting" and being thorough and please for the love of little pet furriers learn what "trolling" actually is. Thank you.

Hi CCP,

what is the correct thread to provide feedback from testing that feature on Singulariy Server?

Cheers!

So basically, "knife the warp acceleration thing entirely but use the new fastest as the template for everything accelerationwise"?

Yeah, sounds like a really realistic scenario, lol....so you get people to every gate when you dont know whether the freighter is actually in warp to a gate or he is at a POS or he is warping to safespot or to a station and you will only do that when the freighter is in warp longer than it is now...... sounds like a cool story bro

That gives all ships the equivalent of a jump drive and effectively renders gates as cynos. The being the case it no longer makes sense for gates between adjacent systems to be paired as the are now forming a static path, but rather that any gate beacon within range becomes a valid destination changing the map if fully explored from an RP perspective.

Additionally we're dealing with self sustained ships anyways which are distinguished by travel range rather than speed given warp mechanics, so it still doesn't work for consistency. Small ships would still be faster but forced to maybe stop sooner.

Also your plan defeats part of the intent of intercepting, being able to move quickly to catch something, or assumes that this concept should only apply within a single system rather than be applicable for targets in other systems.

And finally, there is no real need for it in my opinion. I'd imagine the effort placed into this would well outweigh any benefit, though that isn't difficult in my opinion since I don't see any such benefit, just to make space seem larger at the cost of forcing intercepting with smaller craft to become counter-intuitively more difficult across systems.

Does anyone know what happened to the mining barges and exhumers?

That count seems less than genuine. It counts T2 BS and BC's but doesn't count T2 destroyers and completely ignores all frigates. By the same method of counting including all classes it's 4:5 in favor of ships that were buffed. If it were set at CS's that would be 3:6 with higher overall speeds if the same practice of increases being more significant than decreases was continued. The separation between large and small ships would likely increase for the same reason.

Exactly. All that mass doesn't turn on a dime.

This post got quite a big longer than I excepted but I felt like I needed to give concrete examples.

Part 1 of 2:

I'm all for tacklers being actually able to chase however with the current implementation I simply can't see this change to be beneficial to 0.0.

First of all what this whole thing is simply an insane buff to bombing and absolutely devastating to any doctrine that can't tank 30+ bombs. If there is one type of ship in nullsec warfare right now that absolutely needs no more buffs it's bombers.

Now the fact that warp speed rigged stealth bombers warp 150km at around 5-6 seconds faster is not that bad. It's a big buff but ultimately that alone might be manageable. It is however bad that dictors will do that warp even faster than that.

The old 11 second warp time guaranteed that a subcap fleet that landed on grid would almost never get bubbled before it was ready to fleet warp out. What are your thoughts on fleets that warp on grid will never be able to escape being bubbled? I'm sure you are aware of one of the most standard anti bombing tactics that are currently in use: warp to the fight, align out, fleet warp out if bombers decloak or dictor lands on you. With this change you will never be able to escape that first dictor in any fleet that warps at 3 au/s and aligns slower than 5 seconds. Hell you might not even be able to escape warping in dictor when you are fully aligned depending on lag (fleet warps seem to take just slightly longer to go through than single ships warping) just because it may be able to appear on grid and be able to bubble within 2 or 3 seconds. But keeping with the warping in and getting bubbled concept - using command ships will put all fleets down to 2.7 au/s so using them puts you in another (small) disadvantage. Not that they are disadvantaged enough as it is with the wing command bonus bug but hey, that will get fixed by winter.. Right? Right???

Why is fleet's au/s important? Well it's not that important, but it gives bad probers more time to react. Anyone who can smash dscan or has real time intel from spies about warps will be able to pre-emptively start their probes and get dictors to land on even faster aligning fleets than I described above.

Fleet PvP where almost any proper fleet comp can be bubbled when they warp to grid sounds absolutely terrifying if you ever consider flying anything that can't tank 30+ bombs. I understand CCP's burning hatred towards shield BS doctrines. From the changes in the past it's quite clear that no ship with much more than 300 sig should ever be considered to be viable in fleet combat. This is a good change in that regard. As I predicted in the Odyssey feedback threads or somewhere else, there will not be a single shield BS doctrine left by the end of the year. I'm glad to see you are hard at work achieving that goal by truly hammering in the last nail to the coffin.


Shield BS fleet lands on grid, dictor lands on them before they are ready to warp out, dictor bubbles, a hictor or 2 land on the same spot since they were warped just after the dictor, 4 squads of bombers decloak. Dead fleet. GG. Even if you tried to kill the hictors it would take at least 4 server ticks minimum for each. More likely 5-7. You are dead in any case. Even armor BS fleets are not really safe. Sure they can tank 35-40+ bombs depending on bomb type and heat but that still massive amount of damage. And if you have hictors to throw in, you can easily do another wave of 4 squads of bombers if you wish. And who would not risk handful of hictors for almost guaranteed death of a full fleet? The only thing you can do is to MJD and then sit out from the fight until MJD is ready to use again. And of course by that time bombers are ready to go again as well. Not to mention trying to fit an MJD to shield BS will either make them totally immobile (which means death) or you have to use 2 prop mods which means so much less tank that you might as well self destruct.

Any buff to bombing, even indirect like this, is an insane push towards doctrines that have smaller sig radius. If these changes go through and bombing is not nerfed to be balanced with these warp times, it might give birth to the first era of Eve nullsec fleet warfare where alliances don't even have a battleship fleet doctrine. I'm sorry to say this, but if this happens, does that sound like you have succeeded in your job?

Or if BS fleets continue to being used then they will be armor tanked and they will try to cover themselves in 100km of bubbles. It should work if done properly. In the fight of Z9PP, that was stopped by CCP after the cruel and inhuman war crimes were being committed on Test by the CFC, we bombed one such fleet. Sure it took "a few" bombers to do it but when you are running bombing fleets with 70 bombers you can take a few losses to kill a full hostile fleet. The CFC side alone had somewhere around 350-400 bombers depending on which eve-kill report you believe so we sure had some spares.

Or the worst possible scenario: warping to a grid where the hostiles have already set up is simply too risky and it will mean that if the defenders are willing to sit on an ihub hour or 2 before the time with 50 bombers ready to go, there will not be a fight for that particular ihub. With these changes any warp to a grid is always risky even if you are in a fleet that can take 4 squads of bombs.

Stay tuned for part 2 (in the next post)

I aparantly failed to make my point clear. I was not referring to the change in the warp speed accelleration mechanic which results in smaller ships being made faster (and larger ships slower). Lots of ships previously had the same warp speed as cruisers, ranging from T1 destroyers to Battleships. This is now changing.