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Kanye interview Zane Lowe

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2013-10-09 07:12:17 UTC
Part 1 of 4

dated Sep 23 2013

speaking for myself: I realize I was not informed enough to have an opinion of Kanye, certainly not a generally negative, dismissive one.

I'm reclassifying Kanye from "crazy" to that uncanny realm of "inspired"

Jimmy Kimmel parodied the interview, using child actors, and I resent Jimmy Kimmel for it. however, it was my fault for not stopping to listen to what Kanye had to say about Kanye previously.
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-10-09 09:29:48 UTC
Do you like fishsticks?
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2013-10-09 09:58:33 UTC
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-10-09 10:02:45 UTC
What are you, a gay fish?
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2013-10-09 10:20:38 UTC
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-10-09 10:34:53 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
you forgot to ask me if I like fishsticks in my mouth


I thought it would drag out too far.
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#7 - 2013-10-09 17:18:39 UTC
I never cared about how he used his platform to express his mildly and youthfully misguided views on the world. That is what his music should have been used for. I am not saying I disagree with what everything he has said in the past, I just never liked his presentation.

I also understand what he is says about feeling constrained by the 'radio's formula' for music. Music that appeals to the masses is simple and he is looking to do more with his music which is completely and totally respectable.

On a side note anyone interested in music should read the book, This Is Your Brain On Music. It is a wonderfully written book on the neuroscience of music and how it affects the humans.
Nuclear Xmas
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-10-09 19:18:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Nuclear Xmas
Seriously why would a thinking human being care about such a souless, egotistical, out-of-touch with reality, husk?
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2013-10-10 00:26:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
BECAUSE I think the argument can be made that his drive had some influence on his success.

I've found this to be true in my life.

belief in oneself is not a magic guarantee of success, but it is a significant factor in it. a person is much more likely to accomplish something after great effort toward a clearly defined and visualized goal, than they are to stumble into skill, knowledge, expertise, and experience in their field.

...which is contrary to popular belief: that achievement is by lottery... the fantasy reinforced by fiction and any story of success that fails to include a person's failures and "how they got there."

It's also an unintentional mistake we make when we recognize someone's success but neglect to also know exactly how hard they worked to achieve it.

RE: Kanye referring to himself as God, the point being:

...if people are allowed to undervalue themselves to their detriment, what's so wrong with overvaluing oneself to one's benefit.

he also made a reference: "i've put in my 10,000 hours" which I interpret as Malcolm Gladwell's "Outliers" premise: historically, great achievers cross a 10,000 man-hour threshold.

granted: his vocabulary is "street" and his reasoning would benefit from more education based on a hard science including research. (he claims he graduated from a school of design, which I believe, for what it's worth... because it explains his sensing/feeling-type personal philosophy)

...but for people who are able to distinguish and filter for themselves, the useful from the useless... Kanye is worth a good look. as a case study. in my opinion.

also worth noting is how complete his self-brainwashing is. in the interview, he speaks of his mother's accomplishments in the present tense, as if he tells himself she is still alive. if you consider the amount of negative opinions he receives, his single-mindedness and ego are a necessity.

I mean... what you just wrote about him, the baseless parts: souless, out-of-touch with reality, husk... is it -really- necessary for you to feel this way about Kanye? and that's what he hears from people, by the millions.

imagine it for a moment: in the face of millions of people who hate you, what would you have to do in order to continue your existence.

...the answer is: "take notes from Kanye" because we both know the only reason you and I aren't hated by millions is we're not that famous. and that's the only reason.

tbh, I don't think very highly of Taylor Swift
Loco Kamikaze
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-10-10 08:59:56 UTC
Kim Kardashian has met her share of celebs and she has access to the rest. she picked Kanye. personal feelings about her aside, she has some money sense, so her choice of Kanye tells me she sees something in him, and his future.

in the self-made category of celebrities who maintain an interest in pop culture, the hierarchy is more or less Jay-Z, then Kanye, and Hov's been off the market for a while.

and I'm fairly confident Hov's got Kanye beat due to chronology, and better lyrics... but mostly time.

that I should worry about losing my hearing is nonsense, because there will always be -=BASS=-

Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#11 - 2013-10-10 15:00:47 UTC
Loco Kamikaze wrote:
Kim Kardashian has met her share of celebs and she has access to the rest. she picked Kanye. personal feelings about her aside, she has some money sense, so her choice of Kanye tells me she sees something in him, and his future.

in the self-made category of celebrities who maintain an interest in pop culture, the hierarchy is more or less Jay-Z, then Kanye, and Hov's been off the market for a while.

and I'm fairly confident Hov's got Kanye beat due to chronology, and better lyrics... but mostly time.



All I will say is KRS-One. I just can not quite put a finger on why he never broke into the mainstream. Never mind I know why, he never put out dance music Ugh
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2013-10-11 02:44:19 UTC
Nuclear Xmas
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-10-11 03:58:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Nuclear Xmas
Rain6637 wrote:
BECAUSE I think the argument can be made that his drive had some influence on his success.

I've found this to be true in my life.

belief in oneself is not a magic guarantee of success, but it is a significant factor in it. a person is much more likely to accomplish something after great effort toward a clearly defined and visualized goal, than they are to stumble into skill, knowledge, expertise, and experience in their field.



A person is also likely to stumble upon success when they pay advertising agencies and radio DJ's hundreds of thousands of dollars just to put their ******* name out there and use successful songs by other artists and just sing over them and call it "rap".

He has no talent. He's not musically inclined. He's not clever, nor an artist. And don't even resort to that pathetic, "oh, well he's a good businessman" excuse people use to justify the worship of their celebrity idols.

The guys a complete tool. It doesn't surprise me at all he fell in with the Kardashian family simply because they're the most shallow people on the planet.

It scares me to think of how horrible of a human being their child is going to grow up to be...

Rain6637 wrote:
I mean... what you just wrote about him, the baseless parts: souless, out-of-touch with reality, husk... is it -really- necessary for you to feel this way about Kanye? and that's what he hears from people, by the millions.

imagine it for a moment: in the face of millions of people who hate you, what would you have to do in order to continue your existence.

...the answer is: "take notes from Kanye" because we both know the only reason you and I aren't hated by millions is we're not that famous. and that's the only reason


I'm not going to hold back or change my opinion of him just because "millions of people are watching him", especially considering he, like every other celebrity, thrusts himself into everyones eye. Just like Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga, Kesha and all those other shithead celebrities. They make complete asses of themselves, are the focus of every entertainment magazine and pop-culture TV show because their managers and producers pay people millions just to get their name out, and then you can't even live life without hearing on some stupid show or having some stupid friend or co-worker coming up to you and saying "Hey, did you hear about ______"

And then you have people like you who adore these people, and your reason for doing so usually has nothing to do with talent, good character, or positive qualities. Usually it just comes down to "Oh well they're successful". Like that means anything...
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2013-10-11 04:30:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
nobody's perfect...

and I think I still have a valid point about his drive, despite his flaws and his talent (whatever it may be). he's the only one who will stay interested in his success, and he's ok with that.

as for creativity, 'good artists copy, great artists steal' is kinda true. the way Kanye did it, Jesus Walks and Gold Digger, people paid to hear, enjoyed hearing it. the examples that I didn't like were Busta Rhymes' Touch It: a chopped & screwed Technologique

even if you don't agree with someone, which is ok, doesn't it tell you something when you get upset about them?

another thing I like about Kanye is his acknowledgement of artists and creativity. have you visited sites like hiphopwired to appreciate the violence culture that a lot of hip hop artists build their careers on glamorizing? impressionable minds act out those messages in school, throughout their lives, and I think it's very harmful. but Kanye? talks about fashion and women, and beauty. he uses moisturizer and everyone knows it!

that lack of violence in his music is refreshing, don't you think? he wants to have fashion shows in Paris, it's fabulous~! it's another thing he has in common with Jay-Z, and I think it will prove beneficial to his longevity

//edit: *technologic
Pius Rova
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-10-12 05:13:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Pius Rova
Who is Kanye, you mean that guy who ruined that Katy Perry ET video?

Surreal imagry, catchy song, alien floating through space... then Kanye West grabbing his crotch while floating in a Sputnik... whoever's idea that was should be banned from ever making music videos again.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2013-10-12 11:30:38 UTC
the difference between us, Pius, is I'm willing to admit I care about Kanye. the thing about publicity is, even if it's bad, it's still publicity. take the absolute value of how much people care, and that is its measure of success.

| hate | = a non-negative value
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#17 - 2013-10-12 12:39:42 UTC
Bischopt wrote:
What are you, a gay fish?



What is your point here ?

Oh, that's right. Us gay folks can only and ever be objects of absolute ridicule and hate.

We only seem to be able to carry the lead roles on television comedies. After all, our lives have all been such hilarious jokes (as I look at the memories of hundreds of graves from the 1980s-90s.)

Thanks for such wonderful thoughts this morning.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Pius Rova
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-10-12 15:36:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Pius Rova
Rain6637 wrote:
the difference between us, Pius, is I'm willing to admit I care about Kanye. the thing about publicity is, even if it's bad, it's still publicity. take the absolute value of how much people care, and that is its measure of success.

| hate | = a non-negative value


Puppets are puppets, art is art, puppets should not ruin art.

Also hate is a strong word, and since when did hate somehow equate as a "non-negative value", thats some greasy spin you got going there. "Mr. West" is about as important as that other hip hop guy who pissed on that girl, they're transient pop culture distractions nothing more. That you like many others apparently care about these people is something I will never understand, they're just a product to be marketed and sold.

Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Bischopt wrote:
What are you, a gay fish?



What is your point here ?

Oh, that's right. Us gay folks can only and ever be objects of absolute ridicule and hate.

We only seem to be able to carry the lead roles on television comedies. After all, our lives have all been such hilarious jokes (as I look at the memories of hundreds of graves from the 1980s-90s.)

Thanks for such wonderful thoughts this morning.
So I take it you weren't an Aquaman fan growing up? Lol
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-10-12 21:00:12 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Bischopt wrote:
What are you, a gay fish?



What is your point here ?

Oh, that's right. Us gay folks can only and ever be objects of absolute ridicule and hate.

We only seem to be able to carry the lead roles on television comedies. After all, our lives have all been such hilarious jokes (as I look at the memories of hundreds of graves from the 1980s-90s.)

Thanks for such wonderful thoughts this morning.


Not sure if serious...

In any case, it's a south park reference.
Something Random
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-10-12 21:54:18 UTC
He can buy a lamborghini.

I cant.

Somewhere, somehow, he won.

We'll let him do the soul searching in his mid 50's at Vegas.

"caught on fire a little bit, just a little."

"Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangs all here!"

I love Science, it gives me a Hadron.

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