Intergalactic Summit

There's a league out there that tracks a vast number of pilots, including me.

It's called Battleclinic.

I'd look me up.

Then you still have plenty of things left to lose.

You're simply confident you'll never lose them.

I like confidence. It makes people stupid.

And even with a plethora of knowledge of Federal military doctrine, you still managed to be forced out of Colelie with extreme ease. I interviewed a Navyman aboard a dreadnaught who could of sworn the battle was nothing more than the ship moving through an asteroid belt. If fighting us is as easy as you like to make it sound, then the Federation would of at least taken heavy losses.



Except that we have "degraded" ourselves to your level before and have faced absolutely no backlash for doing so. Again, actually learn something about Gallente and even Caldari history before trying to pass us off.



I work with Matari capsuleers and baseliners all the time, both in military and civillian professions. Not once have I ever felt they were "primitive" or "barbaric". At times they outdo me, not just in fighting mind you. Back when I was a student at the Center for Advanced Studies I was struggling with programming a salvage drone. Every time I started it up it recognized organic material as scrap metal and tried to tear it apart, almost taking the life of a custodian. A Brutor immigrant who barely knew a word of Gallentean came to my station with a smile, asked if he could try to fix it and managed to do so in under five minutes.

Drop the "Grrr we're so evil and monstrous right guize?" act. It's degrading to yourself and your people.

The Federation doesn't seek to instill fear. If we have a disagreement we will talk about it with you. If we perceive you as a threat, we destroy you. Terror tactics don't work on us, and they don't work for us. When confronted with danger, the Federation gets angry, not scared. You're talking about the race who once justified glassing an entire planet of the loss of a small city. Don't get the impression that we're proud of it because we're not. Just stop acting like you know what you're talking about, because you really don't.



Kill a Gallentean's family, and he'll kill your entire race to get even. There is a reason our society emphasizes restraint and only using violence when all else fails. Every time we've been forced onto the path of warfare, it took total victory or mutually assured destruction to get us to stop.

And even when we do stop, we still hold grudges. Our late Admiral Noir, cowardly crashed his Nyx super carrier into the Ishukone station in Malkalen a hundred years after the Gallente-Caldari war ended as revenge for the conflict that took place years ago, killing hundreds of thousands of people.

We talk first, shoot later because once we start shooting, it's hard to get us to stop. We hate our violent tendencies because unlike you, we know the devastation that letting it get out of control can have.

If we go to war, it won't be us getting the education. Without Federal aid, your economy would literally crumble under the weight of full scale war. No economy, no weapons. Then you have to worry about actual Federal military might, which has proven it's strength time and time again. Not to mention that we'd probably get a "enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing going with the Empire. Unless you can sway the Caldari against us again, which will be hard now that Heth is gone, the Caldari will be likely to offer support to their Amarrian allies. You'd be utterly obliterated in days. The fact that the above is true is the sole reason why Shakor didn't escalate conflict with us further. He's crazy, but he's not stupid.



You forget that history is written by the victor. An old Amarr proverb goes "Success is commemorated, failure is merely remembered." Within a generation your actions will fade into the back of people's heads. In several nobody but the historically inclined will give a damn. In a few hundred years, students will remember you only long enough to pass an exam. In a few thousand years, you'll be nothing but a foot note, if not completely forgotten.

Perhaps I should have been clearer. I have no more that you can take from me (pod, ship, money) than you have that I can take from you (pod, ship, money).

Everything else that you're talking about is in the realm of high-concept speculation - something that puts me to sleep faster than hot chocolate and a shoulder massage, so you'll excuse me if I sit THAT part out going forward.

You forget we have nothing to gain from invading the Republic. The most we'd do is seize a few mineral rich locations and strategically important areas but that's it. It would be stupid and outright hypocritical to try and occupy your worlds. Not only would insurgency be an issue, but now the Federation inherits all the problems that the Republic has. Rapidly growing crime and poverty, corrupt governments, an increasingly militant culture.

Don't give yourselves too much credit. We don't want the Republic. Subjugating you would end the same way it did for the Amarrians. If we were to go to war, it is us who would be on the defense. And we are a very difficult nation to invade. Hell, Heth needed to convince Gallenteans to betray their country for him to even have a chance.

Good luck trying to break the Crystal Boulevard. Even the people who built it have no clue what it would take.



You still seriously think you can wage war without resources...I need a Quafe...

You're a combat pilot right? Freeze your wallet and hop back into a rookie ship for a year. That's what fighting without resources would be like. You wouldn't even be able to keep your clone up to date resulting in a slow but steady loss of memories and experience, turning you back into a novice. If your K/D remains the same or even increases while remaining just as active in nothing but a rookie ship and no other resources available, then you'll convince me.

But seriously, a war with no resources is impossible. How will you fuel vehicles? How will you feed soldiers? How will you obtain weapons? How will you keep soldiers healthy? How will you even get into ******* space?



I don't care if it's traditional or not. Tradition is just that, tradition. Sometimes holding onto it works, sometimes it doesn't. In war you need to have the latest technology, the latest battle doctrines, the latest training methods. Staying in the past while everyone moves into the future is setting yourself up for failure before you even begin.

The Republic could fight with feces covered sticks or titans. The former is traditional, but will get them killed. The latter is modern and the best chance they have at success.



He wouldn't need to be as savage. Mainly because rusty knives have trouble getting through high-tech armor. Even if he wasn't wearing armor, he would prevail simply from being trained in virtually every martial art in the cluster, including your own.


You know less about media than you do about war I'm afraid.

The Federation is a proactive society. Show the image of a starving child from some shithole planet nobody knows about on every holoprojector in the Federation and billions of ISK will be sent to that charity. "We must help the children!" Wealthy Gallenteans cry while throwing money at the screen.

Show them the image of Valkeers massacring civilians and they won't become afraid, you'd have people enlisting by the millions. "We must help the civillians!" Young and foolish cadets shout as they wait in line to sign up.

Like I said, each act of war, be it by us or our enemies only makes us want to get further into it.

When Gallenteans look up at the holofeeds and see defenses armed at every border but no actual movement of the fleets, what becomes the message?

Especially once Black Eagle operatives left and right are gunning down insurgents within your Federation and we broadcast what horrors we'd do to insurgents caught within our borders. That kind of footage tanks moral and calls for action and justice among the population of the Federation.

You gain resources, resources you were never really in need of in the first place, meanwhile people do not sleep calmly in their homes. Freedom suddenly isn't really free and many begin to question the recklessness of you taking up arms against the (priorly-commonly portrayed) victim faction.

And why in the world would we want to do anything to Crystal Boulevard?

Our monuments are atrocities not implied art of atrocity.




You're not invading. There's plenty of income in ways you'd identify with still left open within the domains of the Tribes and overall Republic borders. And then there is all the ways you don't identify with:

- Minmatar claiming to be friends and desiring freedom within the Federation seeding supplies and information. (You going to purge us within your Federation? Your Black Eagles are only so good and only so big, they'd be up against a large portion of an entire civilization that loves this kind of fight.)

- Illegal ventures, the Tribes have always strongly identified with the Cartel, though we've always had our inner conflicts there is unspoken respect between us and their ventures. If there is a organization that is thriving with illegal money/assets/and information pools/bases within your Federation, the Cartel may soon become a problem alongside us. (You might be able to pay your way out of such conflicts, but when happens when that information becomes public? "Gallente troops trading and sponsoring Cartel cells! Read all about it...")

- Your enemies. Caldari still don't like you. Amarrians have definitely not liked you. Hell, you presently are at war with them now. Suppose the Amarr let their Ammatar into the fray, in a move designed to win further support for Minmatar-Amarr relations. The next Crusade could easily become one that unites our factions, letting Amarr assimilate an even greater portion of us. And because we're fighting a greater foe, as is already claimed of us, we are a desperate and even reckless race, hell-bent with tunnel vision. We are not above welcoming our enemy, who is an enemy of our now enemy, to fight alongside fallen Ammatar brothers and sisters against a common foe. Hell, we might be able to negotiate vitoc use as our own terms.

These are the high points. There are many others. CONCORD provides additional resources to the capsuleer. Once an established immortal with decent intelligence it becomes incredibly difficult for an entire alliance to wipe the assets out of one man/woman. Especially when they're a society that lives for warfare and doesn't really leave assets around to be killed.

Again, the bit about the use of fleets. Many of our kind would argue that is catering to the enemy.




I don't think you get it. We don't want your super soldier. We don't care for him. He can roam freely for all we care. If by chance we do want him, we'll cheat. No man or machine is invincible. If there is a will, we will find a way.

What we will want are your civilians, new recruits, innocents and non-combatants. Things that will set fire to the holovids and draw nightmares for anyone not serving in the military. And of those who are, inspiring fear of ever being alone and the fear of all Minmatar in general.

For you protect your investments. Don't mind us for using that for our own gains, much like your relief funding in the past.




To do what, sit on the border? Guard mineral outposts and plenty of locations every citizen will sit and stare going, "How is this justice?"

Will they want to slaughter Minmatar civilians? To invade our worlds? You already said you won't let them. That's suicide, as you put it. So where do they turn their hate? Possibly toward Minmatar seeking shelter inside the Federation?

Oh man, the innocents slaughtered... talk about fuel for the victim machine.

What happened to protecting your investment?

In time, you get to answer to New Eden.

But us doing these things? Bah, we've already been constantly called savage. What did you expect?

You are practically handing us a victory, without us ever laying a hand on your war fleets.

The message is that our country's defenses are strong, that there is no need to fear as the enemy at the gates will completely halted. Once Black Eagle operatives start catching insurgents and traitors in our borders, people will feel that the organization is finally justified, and that the Federal government is perfectly capable of defending it's people.

Freedom is not free. Never has been. Never was. This is a lesson indoctrinated into the Gallentean mind from childhood.

The Crystal Boulevard is for the most part, completely impenetrable. Not only does it serve the practical purpose of protecting our leaders in times of war, but it also stands as a symbol that the Federation will never fall to enemy invasion. If the Crystal Boulevard fails, nothing could succeed.



Glad to see that you finally realized that you need resources to fight. Now lets look at the issues regarding the ways you obtain them.

I'm pretty sure the Black Eagles will prevent false friends from sending information. Supplies is out of the question as customs agents check everything many times. It would be difficult to smuggle anything of importance to the Republic in a time of war. Too difficult to be practical. As for information, you're forgetting the the Black Eagles once arrested a pop singer because they thought there was a secret message being encoded in her songs. Information will be highly monitored making espionage near impossible.

You forget that the Cartel despises the Republic. Race isn't important to them as they recruit from all walks of life. They would not help you unless you did plenty of bribary. Supporting illegal groups would sway support to the Federation.

The Caldari don't like us, but the successful negotiations over Caldari Prime after the battle prove that we are capable of working together or at the very least, being able to compromise. I'm sure our skilled diplomats could convince them to remain neutral at the very least. As the the Amarr, like I said, they have been more friendly than our so called friends. Empress Jamyl let the Black Eagles raid Amarr space in order for us to seize Eturrer.


Again, the bit about the use of fleets. Many of our kind would argue that is catering to the enemy.



In that case, come and get them. I'd be impressed if you could make it past the border in this day and age.



Simple, fortify our defenses and launch strikes at key points in the Republic. It's possible to invade without occupation you know. Land on a planet that produces the weapons insurgents are using, raze the factories to the ground, and get out. To give people the impression justice was delivered, assassinate the head of a terrorist cell.

Fleets are actually how every group has been waging war in Space since military vessels could be launched into orbit or assembled in Space, even your Republic.



Wow, you literally used the "Not a true MatarI" logical fallacy.



Everyone is proud when they first do something. Shame only comes when they realize what they have done. Justice has never been an enemy of ours. In fact we neglect it too much. Many wars and crisis could of been adverted if we used our rational justice practices. For example, instead of punishing all Caldari for the actions of a few terrorist, we should of gone after just the terrorist.



Actually, this is how it goes.

1. You commit an atrocity. Your refusal to touch our military means further attempts at causing trouble are ended swiftly.
2. No war.

There is an ancient Caldari text (Achura to be specific) that talks about how war is an art and how to master this art. You should read it because you clearly don't know how basic conflict between nations works. "If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight." You can't win a war by ignoring the soldiers.

You also don't have the slightest clue of how our society operates. We are not like you. We want justice, not vengeance. The last time we fed into our primitive lust for vengeance, a third of our country seceded from us.



It's interesting how you assume we will fear you. I told you, terrorism does not work against us or for us. You can try to incite fear all you want. You'll only get our wrath.

Not a single thing I've said is propaganda. Gallente Propaganda is significantly more bombastic than my current tone. You refuse to acknowledge the most basic tenants of warfare, and are still making things up about our society that are simply exaggerations or false altogether. I really don't know what to say if you refuse to drop or modify your argument when I've presented numerous examples against it.



I don't claim Gallente society and our population is perfect. Pretty much every single post I've made in our discussion has at least one comment about our previous failures or current shortcomings.

I highly doubt the billions of Matari who have immigrated here are all secretly working to destroy the Federation from the inside. Granted there may be a handful of dissenters, but most people don't move to a country to operate against it.

And it seems we have come full circle with this discussion. The goal of the Federation is not to save the Matari or any race in particular. Merely to provide people with the basic opportunity to improve their lives.

Key word: Galnet.

And the capabilities of your populations defy the very definition of human beings. By your statements, so many emotions fall silent on your masses.

But I know you're trying desperately to win this argument.

Should war come you'll learn exactly how skewered your belief in your people is, you'll receive a crash course in warfare that is going to defy your rulebook, and you possibly learn how dangerous our true Matari are.

Until then, stay on your high horse.

We like confidence.