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drake was changed?

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Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-10-10 21:46:13 UTC
The best thing about the Gnosis is that it was free. Its base resists lend it a bit more to armor tanking than shield but it can go either way. And of course it can use any weapon system. But it lacks the focus you see in the other BCs. Personally I don't feel its worth the price unless you want to train say lasers but not amarr ship skills.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2013-10-10 21:47:11 UTC
Chessur wrote:
That fit makes my eyes bleed. Why do you have turrets? Why do you not have an MWD? Why are you not using anci boosters?

Because I threw it together in 10 seconds. Its not supposed to be great.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#23 - 2013-10-10 21:49:19 UTC
hmm I see thanks everyone.

Mach is pretty expensive ship I was thinking more about using Rattlesnake for L4s hence the missiles skills and drones is no brainer everyone needs drones.

what's the big change with heavy missiles anyway?
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#24 - 2013-10-10 21:50:06 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
Chessur wrote:
That fit makes my eyes bleed. Why do you have turrets? Why do you not have an MWD? Why are you not using anci boosters?

Because I threw it together in 10 seconds. Its not supposed to be great.


If you threw it togeather in 10 seconds, and you admit its no great- why share it with a new pilot asking for good advice? Seriously... very rude.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#25 - 2013-10-10 21:51:42 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
hmm I see thanks everyone.

Mach is pretty expensive ship I was thinking more about using Rattlesnake for L4s hence the missiles skills and drones is no brainer everyone needs drones.

what's the big change with heavy missiles anyway?


Dont' use a rattler, its really sub par compared to Mach in every single way.

The heavy missile change did the following:

Reduce raw damage

Increase explo radius, meaning that you are applying a fraction of your already crap DPS to targets that move quickly. For pve, its really not that big of a deal, but for PvP HML's are completely not useable.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-10-10 21:53:55 UTC
For the changes to HMLs please see this.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#27 - 2013-10-10 21:54:19 UTC
hmmm sounds problematic indeed as the dps wasn't that mind blowing even when I played last time only advantage over guns I liked was auto-targeting for jamming rats...

at any rate you say that mach is the best? pretty spensive ship though.

Armor or shield tank?
and which weapon system you use on it?

I think I'll use your mach recommendation but I'll need to train bit more skills first and adapt into gunnery (got decent gunnery with up to medium size skills).
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-10-10 21:58:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
ChessurIf wrote:
If you threw it togeather in 10 seconds, and you admit its no great- why share it with a new pilot asking for good advice? Seriously... very rude.

Because its still good enough. Its not like L3's are hard.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2013-10-10 22:01:41 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
hmmm sounds problematic indeed as the dps wasn't that mind blowing even when I played last time only advantage over guns I liked was auto-targeting for jamming rats...

at any rate you say that mach is the best? pretty spensive ship though.

Armor or shield tank?
and which weapon system you use on it?

I think I'll use your mach recommendation but I'll need to train bit more skills first and adapt into gunnery (got decent gunnery with up to medium size skills).

The Mach is generally fit with a MWD, AC's, and a shield tank. The exact fit depends on the level of bling you wish to apply.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#30 - 2013-10-10 22:13:48 UTC
interesting. shield tanking I'm covered.
about the AC you mean auto cannon or artillery cannon? :)

and while I train those for practicing purpose an hurricane will do?
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#31 - 2013-10-10 22:22:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Chessur
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
hmmm sounds problematic indeed as the dps wasn't that mind blowing even when I played last time only advantage over guns I liked was auto-targeting for jamming rats... at any rate you say that mach is the best? pretty spensive ship though. Armor or shield tank? and which weapon system you use on it? I think I'll use your mach recommendation but I'll need to train bit more skills first and adapt into gunnery (got decent gunnery with up to medium size skills).


A Mach is a shield tank only, unless you doing some cray cray russian armor mach stuff. Here is a basic PvE fit:

800MM Repeating Arty T2
800MM Repeating Arty T2
800MM Repeating Arty T2
800MM Repeating Arty T2
800MM Repeating Arty T2
800MM Repeating Arty T2
800MM Repeating Arty T2

100mn Prototype MWD
Heavy Electrochemical Cap booster, Navy 800's
Adaptive Invuln II
Mission specific hardener
XL Shield Booster

Gyro Stab II
Gyro Stab II
Gyro Stab II
Co-Proc II
Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Large core defence field extender I
Large core defence field extender I
Large core defence field extender I

Once you get more money, you can faction fit the gyros and drop the Co proc for another TE. You can also drop more ISK on invulns / shield boosters if you wish
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#32 - 2013-10-10 22:28:54 UTC
awesome thanks.

So I got an Hurricane for now. I think i can only fit 650mm arty on it right now (6 guns).

you recommend passive or active shield tanking ? I personally prefer passive due to laziness but what's best is best ..
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2013-10-10 22:41:24 UTC
All BS's other than the Rattlesnake run active tanks (or MJD range tanks but that is another matter). And even the Rattlesnake often runs an active tank.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#34 - 2013-10-10 22:43:11 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
awesome thanks.

So I got an Hurricane for now. I think i can only fit 650mm arty on it right now (6 guns).

you recommend passive or active shield tanking ? I personally prefer passive due to laziness but what's best is best ..


Well hurricanes are really bad, so i would suggest you not to use them. Passive vs active... really depends on the ship and slot layout. So i can't really answer that one for you, unless given a specific ship. Hurricanes however are horrible mission runners. As they have low projection, and low DPS. Try and get a tornado / oracle because both are amazing
Alara IonStorm
#35 - 2013-10-10 22:49:54 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:

[Cyclone, New Setup 1]

I would say ditch the 425's for a tractor beams maybe a salvager or drone range thing, unbonused gus are almost useless.

Rigs, if you're going HAM's use 3 range rigs (2x speed) and if tank isn't enough without the rigs replace the AB with a shield amp unless rats are a ridiculous distance. (EVE Survival FTW) DC and TE goes too for Drone Dmg Amps.

Drones are fine but all Hobs except maybe for Angels, Rat speed is not a problem and you know the Dmg type you need going in. 1 flight of lights and 1 salvage if you feel confident.

Javelin is a must with the Rigs 45km at max skill. Rage missiles should be fine against Battlecruisers as well.

I would fly Heavies if I didn't have good skills and T2 Launchers. Still rather fly a Drake though for 3's myself.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#36 - 2013-10-10 23:08:59 UTC
too late mates...

Got Hurricane standard issue with 5 drones \ 6 650mm arty and passive shield tank.
got 33k ehp
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#37 - 2013-10-11 01:01:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
Chessur wrote:


Don't use cyclone. It is useless, as it is using HMLs / HAM's with no projection or application bonus. Its really bad. Grab a cerb / cruise phoon instead- you will be much more satisfied.


before I quit eve last time I thought it was funny to give my stuff and money to random people so I got exactly 103 million isk to purchase and fit a battlecruiser for L3s....
I can't fly any of the advanced cruisers like the cerb acuse my cruiser skill is 3.

so any BC with missiles preferably but I can use all turrets as well up to the medium size class with decent skills.
I got better shield skills then armor but I can get decent armor skills in 1 week without a problem.

so which ship you'll recommend for L3s?


Depends. If you have 2 monitors, a myrm.

I just went back and did l3's for Amarr. It was incredibly boring. I immediately wished I had made a Myrm so I could semi AFK them ( a lot more than in the drake i used).

Most people only make sentry drone boats. Dut Omnis, DDA's and the speed mods all make lights and mediums overpowered also. A flight of valkaries with a couple speed, tracking, and damage bonus mods will shred levels 3's while you surf porn or whatever other joys your second monitor can bring you.

Its not too late to sell the Cane.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#38 - 2013-10-11 01:14:00 UTC
tested bit.. I've became a big fan of arty insta poping ships it's amazing....
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2013-10-11 02:46:20 UTC
Some people love getting the most ISK per hour and thats fine. But honestly just run missions in whatever you think is fun and reasonably effective. Its not like you have to try very hard to do L3's. There is a case for truly optimizing things for L4's but even then you can just fly whatever you want really. If you want the best ISK per hour then fit and fly for that. Otherwise fly what you enjoy.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#40 - 2013-10-11 02:54:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
A very, very fun ship to blitz L3s with is the new RLM Cerberus. Sure, its difficult to train for and a little pricey, but the range is superb, a simple buffer tank with 2 mission specific fields and an LSE or two suffices for all factions and the LMs can hit everything without application problems. I suggest you train for it, its worth it.

It also leads to an active shield HAM variant as an alternative for L4s and can enter all HS DEDs after the T3 nerf. C:

The Drake is still fine for L3 PvE, but its not worth using in L4s due to the very low DPS it gets.
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