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[PIE Inc] Regarding those who question the Empress

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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#101 - 2013-10-10 09:07:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Gaven Lok'ri
Isis Dea wrote:


How about, you let God do what might be argued their own nature will bring upon them, and let them meet their own fall at the hands of some criminal they might additionally slander within their ways.

And instead, you stop wasting the time and honor of the faithful in ventures fitting for trash.

The Empress, God, and His will, are governed by powers so far greater than even the immortal's. Who are we to even quote them? Who are we to enforce them?

Let a zealous drug dealer paint the wall with Slaver Filth's blood, as said above, be the Lord's messenger rather a paladin of Her majesty's finest.

Garbage for garbage. You have more important things to do.

P.S. I do not dare to claim the faith, I happened to be at one point in time the property of a Bishop. I've learned only a thing or two.


I think an old scriptural parable is the best answer to your point here:

"Zakara saw the danger to his brother, and did not hesitate; without weapon or armor, he hurled himself at the beast, attacking with his bare hands. Enraged, the beast turned and struck Zakara, opening a terrible wound in his side. Seizing the moment, Garum ran his sword through the beast's heart, thus ending the battle victorious. But Zakara, mortally wounded, cried out in pain. You sacrificed yourself for me,' Garum said, taking his hand.

"We are brothers,' Zakara answered, just before breathing his last. 'And in God we shall remain brothers for all of time."

It is possible that the test of faith for some Amarrians will be this question of loyalty to the Empress. When that test finds them, the forces of evil will unleash everything they can to turn them away from God's path. If a little bit of my time can be sacrificed to give them a hand out of this trial, then that time is well spent.

Now you are absolutely correct that nothing Mr. Filth and his like are capable of doing will make their removal a priority for the Praetorians. Our priority at this time is the war. The Praetorians spent tonight helping the successful effort to retake Arzad both in space and on the ground, not hunting filth.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2013-10-10 15:49:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Samira Kernher wrote:
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote:
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote:
There is a sidenote I would wish to make, and that has to do with direct questions of authority (denying that someone is your leader, chief executive, commander in chief, or whatever title has been bestowed upon him/her, or claiming their holding of the title is illegitimate) vs. questions of policy. The former, I agree, are troublesome no matter how a government or other such body is structured, with a few rare exceptions related to fitness to rule, of which Empress Sarum is not one of them (and for her sake, I do not wish such a mental breakdown upon her). The latter, though, are a normal and healthy part of a functioning governance apparatus. To conflate the former and the latter is quite harmful, considering that while she may have all the enlightenment the title of Empress brings, Jamyl I Sarum is still as capable of goofing something up as you or I, Lord Lok'Ri.


In short: "the Empress sucks" is one thing, "the Empress made a bad call there because of such-and-such reason" is a whole another story. Don't mix the two up, and I think we'll all be better off for it.


That you can say this just demonstrates that you know nothing about the unique position of the Empress as the viceroy of God. There are only a very select few who have the authority to question the Empress, and none of them frequent these forums.

And you missed my point entirely. Questioning someone's policy is not the same as calling the person into question. In fact, there's a name for the latter: ad hominem. Furthermore, debates about policy are a normal part of a functioning society. Suppressing them causes worse problems.


His lordship understood your point entirely. It is not our place to question the policies instituted by those so far above us. Those who do have the necessary authority and wisdom to do such are not members of this forum.

Think of a government as a feedback system. Blind obedience to a government's dictates breaks that feedback, and en masse, causes the system to malfunction (i.e. not behave as intended). Unless you're arguing that the Amarrian government is designed to run open-loop *chuckles* i.e. that it's right and proper for it to adopt an extreme position if left with no or moderate inputs for a period of time...because that's what an open-loop, high-gain system does under the circumstances, and if anything, governments amplify inputs dramatically as a normal consequence of the policymaking process. In other words, the Empress is a very effective (and hopefully divinely inspired, at least if you're an Imperial citizen) megaphone-of-sorts, taking small ideas and converting them into something that will have a significant impact on some portion of the Imperial citizenry.


Now, where'd I leave that 3320 again?
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#103 - 2013-10-10 16:52:50 UTC
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote:
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote:
There is a sidenote I would wish to make, and that has to do with direct questions of authority (denying that someone is your leader, chief executive, commander in chief, or whatever title has been bestowed upon him/her, or claiming their holding of the title is illegitimate) vs. questions of policy. The former, I agree, are troublesome no matter how a government or other such body is structured, with a few rare exceptions related to fitness to rule, of which Empress Sarum is not one of them (and for her sake, I do not wish such a mental breakdown upon her). The latter, though, are a normal and healthy part of a functioning governance apparatus. To conflate the former and the latter is quite harmful, considering that while she may have all the enlightenment the title of Empress brings, Jamyl I Sarum is still as capable of goofing something up as you or I, Lord Lok'Ri.


In short: "the Empress sucks" is one thing, "the Empress made a bad call there because of such-and-such reason" is a whole another story. Don't mix the two up, and I think we'll all be better off for it.


That you can say this just demonstrates that you know nothing about the unique position of the Empress as the viceroy of God. There are only a very select few who have the authority to question the Empress, and none of them frequent these forums.

And you missed my point entirely. Questioning someone's policy is not the same as calling the person into question. In fact, there's a name for the latter: ad hominem. Furthermore, debates about policy are a normal part of a functioning society. Suppressing them causes worse problems.


His lordship understood your point entirely. It is not our place to question the policies instituted by those so far above us. Those who do have the necessary authority and wisdom to do such are not members of this forum.

Think of a government as a feedback system. Blind obedience to a government's dictates breaks that feedback, and en masse, causes the system to malfunction (i.e. not behave as intended). Unless you're arguing that the Amarrian government is designed to run open-loop *chuckles* i.e. that it's right and proper for it to adopt an extreme position if left with no or moderate inputs for a period of time...because that's what an open-loop, high-gain system does under the circumstances, and if anything, governments amplify inputs dramatically as a normal consequence of the policymaking process. In other words, the Empress is a very effective (and hopefully divinely inspired, at least if you're an Imperial citizen) megaphone-of-sorts, taking small ideas and converting them into something that will have a significant impact on some portion of the Imperial citizenry.


Now, where'd I leave that 3320 again?


I think we might argue this better as a philosophical topic. I really don't see what even any foreigner would have specifically against Empress Jamyl I. Considering her policies so far, it hasn't seemed that anyone here would have much of a reason to call her into question. Between the emancipation order and her continuation of the Pax Ammaria in the face of aggression, you would think that if someone was going to disagree with His Eminence's proclmation it wouldn't be during this Empress's reign. We have a fairly significant emperor in our history that we can refer to if we need to know when the Scriptural doctrine of obedience can be overshadowed by our command to uphold the tenets of the faith.

Philosophically, it is also important that we are brought together under the command of the Empress. Even if someone disagrees with her edict, it is important that we still comply until she begins to truly contravene the Scriptures and does significant harm to the Empire. Politically, it means we don't have a continuous opposition whose purpose is essentially to hinder the government. While I think ideally the idea is that an opposition balances and checks the government in federal systems where it works, I think more often the opposition has a habit of even causing harm and blaming it on the government in power if they can.

The Empire being what it is, you can always present a view against an idea the Empress has. That isn't necessarily illegal in and of itself. However, His Eminence is completely correct that calling the authority and divinity of the Empress into question is illegal and punishable by sentences up to and including death. The Scriptures say she rules by the will of God and to call her into question means you might think you don't need to follow her edicts. It is extremely important that the Imperial seat has the power to take right but unpopular actions in the interest of the Empire. Governments who are too heavily reliant on public opinion will sometimes do what is popular rather than what is necessary or right.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#104 - 2013-10-10 17:48:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Slaver Filth
The power of the Emperor has always been limited in its actual scope in Amarrian history, the Holders have been an always will be the implementers of the Emperor's will along with all the levels of government/church. The Holders have historically been given great latitude as vassals to run their holdings without undue outside interference as long as they toed the religious line and paid their taxes.

The person sitting on the Imperial throne has never been traditionally recognized as omnipotent and incapable of error, they are merely and majestically God's instrument of sacred human non-cloned flesh giving leadership and guidance to the Holy Amarr Empire. There have been great Emperors, and there have been insane Emperors, there have been beloved Emperors and there have been Emperors assassinated by those opposed to them. Certainly not a fate that could befall the divine.

These are the indisputable Facts of Amarrian history. The Amarr have never been a group of weepy whiny weak kneed religious lemmings blindly following whoever carried our banner. We Amarr are a strong resilient aggressive people who hold our faith dear and our love of Nation and family just as strong.Anyone who tells you we all go along to get along is either lying or very unschooled in our actual history.

Perhaps that is why our worst Emperors have tried to drape themselves with a deity mantle to hold back the natural reluctance to accept poor governance that is an integral part of the Amarr people, it is far easier for a despot and his/ her loyal unthinking minions to label people heretics then to have to face the legitimate grievances of the governed.

The reign of Jamyl Sarum will be short, she is both illegitimate by even the most liberal terms, and has chosen to take the proven failed path of trying to be a god.

The Amarr have and always will worship the true God, not his fleshy instrument that temporarily sits on the Imperial throne, anything else would indeed be true blasphemy.


"Chosen, you are first before God.
You are the True and the Faithful.
But in such a state must you hold yourselves high above all.
And constantly prove yourself worthy of Gods Love.
How can such a gift be repaid,
Other than to toil all our days,
In his glorious service,
According to his will,
Serving him always,
Bearing him first in our thoughts,
Always must we strive to show him our worth,
For we are the Chosen, Blessed above all."
- The Scriptures, Anoyia's Exhortation to the Faithful

Those who dare put the Empress before God do so at great peril.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "
Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#105 - 2013-10-10 18:34:33 UTC
Slaver Filth wrote:
The power of the Emperor has always been limited in its actual scope in Amarrian history, the Holders have been an always will be the implementers of the Emperor's will along with all the levels of government/church. The Holders have historically been given great latitude as vassals to run their holdings without undue outside interference as long as they toed the religious line and paid their taxes.

The person sitting on the Imperial throne has never been traditionally recognized as omnipotent and incapable of error, they are merely and majestically God's instrument of sacred human non-cloned flesh giving leadership and guidance to the Holy Amarr Empire. There have been great Emperors, and there have been insane Emperors, there have been beloved Emperors and there have been Emperors assassinated by those opposed to them. Certainly not a fate that could befall the divine.

These are the indisputable Facts of Amarrian history. The Amarr have never been a group of weepy whiny weak kneed religious lemmings blindly following whoever carried our banner. We Amarr are a strong resilient aggressive people who hold our faith dear and our love of Nation and family just as strong.Anyone who tells you we all go along to get along is either lying or very unschooled in our actual history.

Perhaps that is why our worst Emperors have tried to drape themselves with a deity mantle to hold back the natural reluctance to accept poor governance that is an integral part of the Amarr people, it is far easier for a despot and his/ her loyal unthinking minions to label people heretics then to have to face the legitimate grievances of the governed.

The reign of Jamyl Sarum will be short, she is both illegitimate by even the most liberal terms, and has chosen to take the proven failed path of trying to be a god.

The Amarr have and always will worship the true God, not his fleshy instrument that temporarily sits on the Imperial throne, anything else would indeed be true blasphemy.


"Chosen, you are first before God.
You are the True and the Faithful.
But in such a state must you hold yourselves high above all.
And constantly prove yourself worthy of Gods Love.
How can such a gift be repaid,
Other than to toil all our days,
In his glorious service,
According to his will,
Serving him always,
Bearing him first in our thoughts,
Always must we strive to show him our worth,
For we are the Chosen, Blessed above all."
- The Scriptures, Anoyia's Exhortation to the Faithful

Those who dare put the Empress before God do so at great peril.


A thought came to my mind while reading your screed that resonates with me in several ways:

You sir, are not a Speaker of Truth.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Speakers_of_Truth

Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past."
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#106 - 2013-10-10 18:41:30 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:


PIE, why even waste your time on garbage?


I must point out that we seem to have wasted far more of Andreus' time than our own when dealing with Mr. Filth.

As I stated earlier, the point of this effort is not really aimed at these rather pathetic individuals.

Rather, the goal is to prevent the further spread of such Heretical ideas by making it absolutely clear that it is not acceptable for any Amarrians to challenge the Empress by word or deed. There should be no illusion that proper service to Amarr can be accomplished without absolute obedience to those who have divinely granted authority.


How about, you let God do what might be argued their own nature will bring upon them, and let them meet their own fall at the hands of some criminal they might additionally slander within their ways.

And instead, you stop wasting the time and honor of the faithful in ventures fitting for trash.

The Empress, God, and His will, are governed by powers so far greater than even the immortal's. Who are we to even quote them? Who are we to enforce them?

Let a zealous drug dealer paint the wall with Slaver Filth's blood, as said above, be the Lord's messenger rather a paladin of Her majesty's finest.

Garbage for garbage. You have more important things to do.






P.S. I do not dare to claim the faith, I happened to be at one point in time the property of a Bishop. I've learned only a thing or two.



I respectfully think you missed his point. What is more important is apparently not what they are going to do, but what message they are going to send.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#107 - 2013-10-10 19:00:49 UTC
You're collecting a list for those of us who believe your religion is a well woven tale of propaganda designed to keep the masses in check, with occasional rule bending as and when it suits you?

Well sign me up.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#108 - 2013-10-10 19:11:04 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
You're collecting a list for those of us who believe your religion is a well woven tale of propaganda designed to keep the masses in check, with occasional rule bending as and when it suits you?

Well sign me up.

"Well woven tale of propaganda designed to keep the masses in check", this is a fine description of gallentean democracy.
Amarr religion is a world view, philosophy, way of life, cultural legacy, moral law and reason to live and love.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Louella Dougans
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
#109 - 2013-10-10 19:26:20 UTC
A document recently given to me by a Caldari friend, shows that Andreus Ixiris is a genocidal lunatic, who has called for the extermination of both the Caldari and Amarr populations.

This is in addition to the well known messages of support Andreus Ixiris made to the Blood Raider Covenant, in "solving the Amarrian Problem".

At this point, Andreus Ixiris will foam at the mouth and claim one of a number of things:

1. These things never happened at all - denying reality, showing him to be a delusional lunatic
2. That he did say and do those things, but it was an elaborate deception - showing him to be entirely untrustworthy, and/or a coward unable to be honest.
3. That everyone is all lying, and there's a grand Amarr-Caldari conspiracy against him in particular - showing him to be a paranoid delusional lunatic.

So, with no credibility at all, Andreus Ixiris's flappings are, at best, bad comedy. Delusional, cowardly, untrustable, paranoid, take your pick.

Be a Space Nun, it is fun. \o/
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#110 - 2013-10-10 19:34:35 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
You're collecting a list for those of us who believe your religion is a well woven tale of propaganda designed to keep the masses in check, with occasional rule bending as and when it suits you?

Well sign me up.


I think his eminence specifically noted that this applies to Amarrians. As you are not accountable to Amarrian law, I don't think badmouthing the Empress is going to have you put on their list. I would be impressed if you became a citizen of the Empire and then voiced that to be put on that list, though.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#111 - 2013-10-10 20:22:41 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
You're collecting a list for those of us who believe your religion is a well woven tale of propaganda designed to keep the masses in check, with occasional rule bending as and when it suits you?

Well sign me up.


I think his eminence specifically noted that this applies to Amarrians. As you are not accountable to Amarrian law, I don't think badmouthing the Empress is going to have you put on their list. I would be impressed if you became a citizen of the Empire and then voiced that to be put on that list, though.


The message is noble, but it can easily be corrupted.

All it takes is one vibrant Amarrian name to slander your Empress and they earn the entire attention of His faithful... as well as the faithful's enemies.

You think this list is going to only be monitored by the noble of Amarrian law?

No, PIE, you're gravely mistaken. You're fixing to bring to light a number of names that should never deserve such attention. You'll waste time with the easy ones and those truly vibrant with agenda and power are going to be sought out by your enemies.

They will see a potential ally against the common foe.

Your sense of justice is skewered by the fact you're the power player, the favored, the divinely empowered. You are the icon of the Empire, a true seed of godlike justice, not for what you do or the message you send but rather by what it is you represent. You are the noble goliath.

And now you trouble yourselves with a direction befitting for criminals; pointless effort, and will ultimately do worse than good.

I'll be there to tell you I told you so in the end, even spelling it out how many ways you've entered into this venture the wrong way.

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...
Amann Karris
Doomheim
#112 - 2013-10-10 20:37:17 UTC
Only through many hardships
Is a man stripped to his very foundations
And in such a state
Devoid of distractions
Is his soul free to soar
And in this
He is closest to God
- The Scriptures, Book of Missions 42:5
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#113 - 2013-10-10 20:44:53 UTC
Zelarrs Elkoth wrote:
Slaver Filth wrote:
The power of the Emperor has always been limited in its actual scope in Amarrian history, the Holders have been an always will be the implementers of the Emperor's will along with all the levels of government/church. The Holders have historically been given great latitude as vassals to run their holdings without undue outside interference as long as they toed the religious line and paid their taxes.

The person sitting on the Imperial throne has never been traditionally recognized as omnipotent and incapable of error, they are merely and majestically God's instrument of sacred human non-cloned flesh giving leadership and guidance to the Holy Amarr Empire. There have been great Emperors, and there have been insane Emperors, there have been beloved Emperors and there have been Emperors assassinated by those opposed to them. Certainly not a fate that could befall the divine.

These are the indisputable Facts of Amarrian history. The Amarr have never been a group of weepy whiny weak kneed religious lemmings blindly following whoever carried our banner. We Amarr are a strong resilient aggressive people who hold our faith dear and our love of Nation and family just as strong.Anyone who tells you we all go along to get along is either lying or very unschooled in our actual history.

Perhaps that is why our worst Emperors have tried to drape themselves with a deity mantle to hold back the natural reluctance to accept poor governance that is an integral part of the Amarr people, it is far easier for a despot and his/ her loyal unthinking minions to label people heretics then to have to face the legitimate grievances of the governed.

The reign of Jamyl Sarum will be short, she is both illegitimate by even the most liberal terms, and has chosen to take the proven failed path of trying to be a god.

The Amarr have and always will worship the true God, not his fleshy instrument that temporarily sits on the Imperial throne, anything else would indeed be true blasphemy.


"Chosen, you are first before God.
You are the True and the Faithful.
But in such a state must you hold yourselves high above all.
And constantly prove yourself worthy of Gods Love.
How can such a gift be repaid,
Other than to toil all our days,
In his glorious service,
According to his will,
Serving him always,
Bearing him first in our thoughts,
Always must we strive to show him our worth,
For we are the Chosen, Blessed above all."
- The Scriptures, Anoyia's Exhortation to the Faithful

Those who dare put the Empress before God do so at great peril.


A thought came to my mind while reading your screed that resonates with me in several ways:

You sir, are not a Speaker of Truth.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Speakers_of_Truth
You sir are not well read. Slaver Filth.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#114 - 2013-10-10 20:50:23 UTC
Slaver Filth wrote:
Zelarrs Elkoth wrote:
Slaver Filth wrote:
The power of the Emperor has always been limited in its actual scope in Amarrian history, the Holders have been an always will be the implementers of the Emperor's will along with all the levels of government/church. The Holders have historically been given great latitude as vassals to run their holdings without undue outside interference as long as they toed the religious line and paid their taxes.

The person sitting on the Imperial throne has never been traditionally recognized as omnipotent and incapable of error, they are merely and majestically God's instrument of sacred human non-cloned flesh giving leadership and guidance to the Holy Amarr Empire. There have been great Emperors, and there have been insane Emperors, there have been beloved Emperors and there have been Emperors assassinated by those opposed to them. Certainly not a fate that could befall the divine.

These are the indisputable Facts of Amarrian history. The Amarr have never been a group of weepy whiny weak kneed religious lemmings blindly following whoever carried our banner. We Amarr are a strong resilient aggressive people who hold our faith dear and our love of Nation and family just as strong.Anyone who tells you we all go along to get along is either lying or very unschooled in our actual history.

Perhaps that is why our worst Emperors have tried to drape themselves with a deity mantle to hold back the natural reluctance to accept poor governance that is an integral part of the Amarr people, it is far easier for a despot and his/ her loyal unthinking minions to label people heretics then to have to face the legitimate grievances of the governed.

The reign of Jamyl Sarum will be short, she is both illegitimate by even the most liberal terms, and has chosen to take the proven failed path of trying to be a god.

The Amarr have and always will worship the true God, not his fleshy instrument that temporarily sits on the Imperial throne, anything else would indeed be true blasphemy.


"Chosen, you are first before God.
You are the True and the Faithful.
But in such a state must you hold yourselves high above all.
And constantly prove yourself worthy of Gods Love.
How can such a gift be repaid,
Other than to toil all our days,
In his glorious service,
According to his will,
Serving him always,
Bearing him first in our thoughts,
Always must we strive to show him our worth,
For we are the Chosen, Blessed above all."
- The Scriptures, Anoyia's Exhortation to the Faithful

Those who dare put the Empress before God do so at great peril.


A thought came to my mind while reading your screed that resonates with me in several ways:

You sir, are not a Speaker of Truth.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Speakers_of_Truth
You sir are not well read. Slaver Filth.


Filth, I have served with the Speakers. I know the Speakers. The Speakers have honour.

Filth, you're no Speaker.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#115 - 2013-10-10 21:16:43 UTC
Slaver Filth wrote:
Zelarrs Elkoth wrote:


You sir, are not a Speaker of Truth.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Speakers_of_Truth
You sir are not well read. Slaver Filth.


I had not read the public document you created. But I think that proves my point rather nicely:

https://wiki.eveonline.com/wikiEN/index.php?title=Slaver_Filth&action=history

You are nothing but a fraud, spewing near incomprehensible bile.

Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past."
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#116 - 2013-10-10 21:34:01 UTC
I chuckle at the fact this entire channel/topic seems more and more a ploy from an alliance to target a single man. If this has all been effort to prove "Slaver Filth" a fraud, God help the next guy your alliance trips over for spewing garbage.

You just made this character one of the most interesting people here.

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#117 - 2013-10-10 21:47:42 UTC
Honestly, my only qualm with the Empress is how her own people treat her, that is, as God.

Relations have been quite cordial between the Gallente and Amarr under her reign. Lets hope it stays this way.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#118 - 2013-10-10 21:52:52 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Honestly, my only qualm with the Empress is how her own people treat her, that is, as God.

Relations have been quite cordial between the Gallente and Amarr under her reign. Lets hope it stays this way.


It would be wrong to consider any Amarrian Emperor or Empress as God.

Rather, they are the most-exulted human servants of God.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2013-10-10 21:53:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Louella Dougans wrote:
A document recently given to me by a Caldari friend, shows that Andreus Ixiris is a genocidal lunatic, who has called for the extermination of both the Caldari and Amarr populations.

This is in addition to the well known messages of support Andreus Ixiris made to the Blood Raider Covenant, in "solving the Amarrian Problem".

At this point, Andreus Ixiris will foam at the mouth and claim one of a number of things:

1. These things never happened at all - denying reality, showing him to be a delusional lunatic
2. That he did say and do those things, but it was an elaborate deception - showing him to be entirely untrustworthy, and/or a coward unable to be honest.
3. That everyone is all lying, and there's a grand Amarr-Caldari conspiracy against him in particular - showing him to be a paranoid delusional lunatic.

So, with no credibility at all, Andreus Ixiris's flappings are, at best, bad comedy. Delusional, cowardly, untrustable, paranoid, take your pick.



Quite an interesting time stamp there. I'm pretty sure 2009 was before New Eden was even discovered. Also, if this was allegedly given to you by a Caldari friend, why is a Gallente rookie ship being piloted? Judging by the look of the neocom, this was before the Empires put their rookie ships on sale so outsiders could pilot them.

If you're going to fabricate evidence, at least put effort into it.

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2013-10-10 21:55:46 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Honestly, my only qualm with the Empress is how her own people treat her, that is, as God.

Relations have been quite cordial between the Gallente and Amarr under her reign. Lets hope it stays this way.


It would be wrong to consider any Amarrian Emperor or Empress as God.

Rather, they are the most-exulted human servants of God.


Either way the Empress is being treated as close to God as possible. And I do have other problems with her of course. Though they stem from my own extreme bias against monarchy, the belief that the right to power, wealth, and fame, is granted to you just for being born.

Of course, that goes for all royalty and not just the Empress.

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