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i don't want to sell to everyone

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Manu Militari
Neurotoxin Control
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#21 - 2013-10-10 19:51:35 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Okay, here's the real answer: You did not sell the goods to the pirate. You placed the goods in escrow with a brokerage service that handles the sales & returns the proceeds to you, minus their own fees & applicable government taxes. Said brokerage service is merely interested in making as much money for themselves as much fast as possible, which means moving as many goods for their clients as fast as possible, which means they're not interested in limiting their market by blacklisting people.

That's just how it works, and there's no mechanic otherwise, and as was illustrated by a few posters in this thread, such a mechanic would be pointless and ineffectual anyway.


This. The trade function allows for a direct yet inefficient means of selling to selected individuals. Otherwise you are using the convenience factor of the market escrow service described above.
Lambert Simnel
PWLS Enterprises
#22 - 2013-10-10 20:18:48 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Okay, here's the real answer: You did not sell the goods to the pirate. You placed the goods in escrow with a brokerage service that handles the sales & returns the proceeds to you, minus their own fees & applicable government taxes. Said brokerage service is merely interested in making as much money for themselves as much fast as possible, which means moving as many goods for their clients as fast as possible, which means they're not interested in limiting their market by blacklisting people.

That's just how it works, and there's no mechanic otherwise, and as was illustrated by a few posters in this thread, such a mechanic would be pointless and ineffectual anyway.


Actually you could prevent your goods being sold to nasty pirates. CCP just needs to remove the ability to purchase anything in low sec and then ban alts, jump freighters and contracts. Of course they would also need ban corps so that your friends can't buy you stuff and drop it in a hangar.

I could have missed something but it's pretty simple really and I think this would make the game much more fun.

Alternatively you could train up a PVP alt, join a good corp, pwn said pirates on a regular basis and then sell their stuff back to them. This is not as much fun.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-10-10 20:46:58 UTC
Manu Militari wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Okay, here's the real answer: You did not sell the goods to the pirate. You placed the goods in escrow with a brokerage service that handles the sales & returns the proceeds to you, minus their own fees & applicable government taxes. Said brokerage service is merely interested in making as much money for themselves as much fast as possible, which means moving as many goods for their clients as fast as possible, which means they're not interested in limiting their market by blacklisting people.

That's just how it works, and there's no mechanic otherwise, and as was illustrated by a few posters in this thread, such a mechanic would be pointless and ineffectual anyway.


This. The trade function allows for a direct yet inefficient means of selling to selected individuals. Otherwise you are using the convenience factor of the market escrow service described above.


Oh yes that's true. Contracts too, for that matter.

Solution exists, problem solved, close thread. \o/

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2013-10-11 13:00:03 UTC
Hammer Crendraven wrote:
Vipre Morte wrote:
Hammer Crendraven wrote:

For the sake of sanity, even if CCP allowed you to blacklist players like this it would do you no good as they just create an alt to buy stuff they need and go around your black list. So this idea is an entire waste of time and effort.


No, I still like it. There's a way for the pirates to get around it, but it involves taking extra steps. We all know that CONVENIENCE drives profits in many aspects of this game.

If they have to take extra steps, sign out/in, transfer stuff between alts, just to re-supply their ammo? Ha, make 'em.


Oh god here we go down the rabbit hole. Ok so then the guys that make T2 stuff black list everyone but there friends.
They gain a total market control of T2 goods. Really you want to give the goons that power?


i think many of the biggest T2 BPO collections are in the hands of the enemies of the goons.
seriously stop letting one powerblock occupy so much of your head. they occupy enough of null as it is.
also OP alliance and corp contracts exist so u can sell stuff to your friends at rates you don't want your enemies to have access to.
also pirates are -10 and yet still go shopping for new shinies in Jita.......they already have hauling alts so no extra step needed for them.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2013-10-11 13:05:21 UTC
Hammer Crendraven wrote:
[quote=mechtech][quote=Hammer Crendraven]


Contracts are either public (everyone) or private (one person not multiple) and they have a two week time limit.
And you have far far fewer contracts available than you do have market slots. SIgnificant differences between the two.


corp and alliance contracts are the ones you missed. they can also be made in vastly larger numbers than the ones you listed.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Nashh Kadavr
Hostile.
#26 - 2013-10-11 13:35:52 UTC
So let me get this right, you want to ban the very people that buy your goods from buying them? Shocked

Sounds like a good way to go out of business to me.

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Cameron Freerunner
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-10-11 16:46:06 UTC
Hammer Crendraven wrote:
For the sake of sanity, even if CCP allowed you to blacklist players like this it would do you no good as they just create an alt to buy stuff they need and go around your black list. So this idea is an entire waste of time and effort.

This is pretty much the story of EVE. Whatever limits might be placed on anything, an alt can circumvent it.
Nupassio
Nupassio Industry Line
#28 - 2013-10-13 14:05:48 UTC
if you read the guide on the bounty-system, you can see that CCP is not fond of it - they even think its sort of illegal.

Maybe they are not fond of this open market,too.

Thats where my start heads to - changing this old sand-box system of the market. Something more elegant for the customers than selling to everyone at anytime worldwide ...

Like i said before the loyality points - / standing system could be an improvement. You are just not free to participate with the big guys coming to the missions (lev2 to 4) and the market should change in such a direction. For example : you should need the right standing for obtaining tools of war.

fly safe
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