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What would happen if EVERYONE paid with plex?? (or market empty)

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Revman Zim
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2013-10-10 17:07:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Revman Zim
Q: What would happen if everyone paid with PLEX?

A: CCP's revenues would increase by at least 30% and as much as 45%.

Apparently you do not understand how PLEX works, so I will break it down for you.

I pay for my account with a credit card and usually pay in 6 month increments. it is 71 USD to do so, which breaks down to about 12 USD per month. However, if you pay month to month it is 14.95 USD per month.

PLEXs are created by a player who takes out his credit card and buys PLEX through the Account Management page. Right now 1 PLEX costs 19.95 USD. He then redeems that PLEX in game, puts it on the market and someone who pays for Game Time with plex buys it at the going rate.

SO. If EVERYONE were to use PLEX for game time, CCP would be getting 19.95 USD per month PER PLAYER. Vice something considerably less. That is assuming that there are enough PLEX on the market to support the entire playerbase.

Hope this helps.
LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#22 - 2013-10-10 17:08:57 UTC
ugh stupid thread, does not need more words than this.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-10-10 18:11:10 UTC
Forum Mcforum wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Forum Mcforum wrote:
edit, I don't care too much, but surely its only new players who use cash - no one I speak to actually uses real life money

I use real money, and you're talking to me.

I couldn't be arsed grinding in an online game for what amounts to two cups of Starbucks a month.




fair enough, no one actually wants to discuss this :-)


also I wouldn't call 10 hours over a month grinding?




You dont understand how plex works. It's not randomly spawned.

Someone pays for plex and plex cost more than the base subscription. Every plex that's in game has been paid for, ie, revenue.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#24 - 2013-10-10 18:20:43 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
But yeah, hypothetically speaking, if literally every player in the game decided that CCP company policies are so abhorrent that they won't give them a cent again, whether for PLEX or for subs, then yeah, CCP would be SOL. No money = no company, and spawning virtual pixels won't change that.

If CCP sold so many PLEX that they were worthless on the market SOL would be how you describe the players that purchased them... CCP on the other hand would have a hell of a lot of cash.

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John Tomplin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-10-10 18:38:13 UTC  |  Edited by: John Tomplin
I am not afraid pull to an extra hour or two, or just not feed the cat (kidding) if my hobbies need an extra twenty or forty dollars. I put a lot of time into EVE, that's all. If I went half price on every scale military model I built, they would have just sucked. I am not a rich man, and never will be, I just don't get the mentality of so many people that "I will never pay for my past-time". If you can get it for free, though, without putting in a lot of effort I say go for it of course.

This brings up the issue of what you buy plex for in-game and not. Sometimes people just bankroll themselves. I really don't think this offers much of an advantage in EVE however (to a lone PVP player), so the issue isn't big in my opinion.

I am thinking less of players on their own and more of PLEX bought for events that further groups in the game though.

though the bumping up of prices is of course bad :(

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dethleffs
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#26 - 2013-10-10 19:12:51 UTC
Forum Mcforum wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Forum Mcforum wrote:
edit, I don't care too much, but surely its only new players who use cash - no one I speak to actually uses real life money

I use real money, and you're talking to me.

I couldn't be arsed grinding in an online game for what amounts to two cups of Starbucks a month.




fair enough, no one actually wants to discuss this :-)


also I wouldn't call 10 hours over a month grinding?



What I dont understand is that you post a thread and then ignore all the answers given. Your question was answered in the second post. Theres nothing to discuss anymore.
Mohadib Flagrante
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-10-10 19:30:57 UTC
It usually only takes me an hour or two too make enough for a PLEX, but I typically pay real money anyways.... Would rather buy more ships too get blown up in.
Gealbhan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-10-10 19:33:48 UTC
Nothing of any note would happen. CCP would still get paid etc. Arrow
SpoonRECKLESS
Beach Boys
The Minions.
#29 - 2013-10-10 19:46:04 UTC
Forum Mcforum wrote:
seriously though, its a serious question - ccp would lose there income stream?

abdeil im talking hypothetically

what do you think?

edit, I don't care too much, but surely its only new players who use cash - no one I speak to actually uses real life money



wha eh? You know people buy plexe with currency like cash credit cards and prepaid cards. So CCP won't lose money if everyone goes plexe instead of sub.

Blue
Kirluin
#30 - 2013-10-10 19:49:16 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Forum Mcforum wrote:
edit, I don't care too much, but surely its only new players who use cash - no one I speak to actually uses real life money

I use real money, and you're talking to me.

I couldn't be arsed grinding in an online game for what amounts to two cups of Starbucks a month.


This ++

I have to say the plex concept is a genius '"free to play" implementation. it's win-win all around, unlike other games with their horrible pay2win microtransactions.
Serptimis
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2013-10-10 23:30:10 UTC
When you consider playing the game grinding, well, maybe you need another game.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#32 - 2013-10-10 23:35:06 UTC
Serptimis wrote:
When you consider playing the game grinding, well, maybe you need another game.

One man's grind is another girl's game. I've never mined before. I don't see the appeal. Some people like it. Go figure. Some people just want to fly around shooting people, and they don't have the time or desire to make the isk to support that pursuit, so they buy a few PLEX, sell them, and play on it until it runs out. I have several friends that do it. I get that.

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Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#33 - 2013-10-11 00:07:35 UTC
Forum Mcforum wrote:
seriously though, its a serious question - ccp would lose there income stream?

abdeil im talking hypothetically

what do you think?

edit, I don't care too much, but surely its only new players who use cash - no one I speak to actually uses real life money



This has to be a troll
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#34 - 2013-10-11 00:09:35 UTC
Im sure this has already been said. But if that happened, CCP would get more money.

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
CMD Ishikawa
New Eden Public Security Section 9
#35 - 2013-10-11 00:10:56 UTC
Revman Zim wrote:
Q: What would happen if everyone paid with PLEX?

A: CCP's revenues would increase by at least 30% and as much as 45%.

Apparently you do not understand how PLEX works, so I will break it down for you.

I pay for my account with a credit card and usually pay in 6 month increments. it is 71 USD to do so, which breaks down to about 12 USD per month. However, if you pay month to month it is 14.95 USD per month.

PLEXs are created by a player who takes out his credit card and buys PLEX through the Account Management page. Right now 1 PLEX costs 19.95 USD. He then redeems that PLEX in game, puts it on the market and someone who pays for Game Time with plex buys it at the going rate.

SO. If EVERYONE were to use PLEX for game time, CCP would be getting 19.95 USD per month PER PLAYER. Vice something considerably less. That is assuming that there are enough PLEX on the market to support the entire playerbase.

Hope this helps.


This...!!!

OP you are paying with a voucher someone else used real cash to buy, so in the end you pay with cash, all Plex comes from a transaction with real money involved... lol
S1euth
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#36 - 2013-10-11 00:26:22 UTC  |  Edited by: S1euth
Miilla wrote:
seriously though, its a serious question - ccp would lose there income stream?



This may blow your mind, but in the short-term, everyone using PLEX would help CCP's income.

CCP accountants recognize the revenue from PLEX sales over time based on estimation of a PLEX's life. If all players suddenly started using PLEX, then the "average life" of a PLEX would decrease enabling their accountants to recognize revenue faster and improving their income today.

Go forth - use all your Plex, it will help CCP's recognize income sooner.

This is an interesting topic when you consider they provided a PLEX to all Collector Edition purchases. I wonder if their accountants remembered to hold off recognizing some of the revenue from Collectors Edition's they sold 4 months ago during their last financial quarter?
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-10-11 00:44:34 UTC
If I'm not mistaken, PLEX costs more than a regular subscription payment. So CCP would make more money than they currently do.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#38 - 2013-10-11 03:24:17 UTC
Bischopt wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, PLEX costs more than a regular subscription payment. So CCP would make more money than they currently do.


A cruel joke by CCP to make the form of game time that can be blown up in a shuttle cost more Big smile

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Sheldor Amouh
#39 - 2013-10-11 05:52:16 UTC
I would suggest you take the ten hours a month you spend grinding isk for plex and use it to get an education. Then with that education get a job that has nothing to do with minimum wage to determine your salary. Then come back a play using cash that took you, for example, eight minutes RL time to earn.

Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#40 - 2013-10-11 05:55:51 UTC

I am presently typing the 40th post. I find it hilarious and fitting that so far the only "likes" have been given to people responding to the OP who still has a grand total of zero likes total for all of his forum posting.

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