EVE General Discussion

I actually use "max yield" procurerss.

But I can't be afk they need so much attention. Sigh, who would have thought internet spaceships would be so needy

What if I told you I was cloaked on grid with you?

Potentially prohibited? TOS, term 16. (one of the many terms with extensive room for interpretation) Further clarified in the k-base article: http://community.eveonline.com/support/knowledge-base/article.aspx?articleId=336 . The practice of charging for permits is easily understood as a method of staying in (greater) compliance with TOS, term 16, as charging for permits moves certain behaviors clearly outside the purview of that knowledge base article. (Specifically: "...deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way.")

Such is my understanding and opinion, at least.

You're using a different definition of "enjoy" than the one used for legal documents. You're using the "derive pleasure from" definition, where legal documents use the "receive benefit from" definition. If you notice, all the examples represent actions that cause the victim to be unable to access the game properly (because their clients have lagged out) or unable to access parts of the game properly (inappropriate use of public channels makes it hard/impossible to use them for their explicitly stated purpose).

Bumping does nothing to interfere with the ability of other players to enjoy the game in accordance to its rules. The games rules provide for the results of bumping, and nothing the bumper is doing is preventing the victim from experiencing the results of the game's rules.

More importantly, you didn't answer my question.
Find where "griefing" is prohibited in the EULA or TOS. For that matter, find where "griefing" is mentioned in the EULA or TOS.

CCP has banned "harassment" and has a fairly concrete definition of it. There is no such ban on "griefing."


Also, in the specific case of bumping, there's an official, public GM ruling:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=199310
It's not banned regardless of whether or not there's an extortion scheme attached.

Where did you find this? I just did a ctr-f search of both documents and couldn't find the string "grief" in either.

I'm not using any definition of "enjoy" whatsoever. I quoted a knowledge base article, and a TOS term, which each use the word "enjoy" in different contexts. I did not write either of these documents, and I disclaim and reject any attribution of knowledge or use of any specific definition of "enjoy" for any occurrence of the word "enjoy" in either document. What matters, going forwards, is which definition the GMs will/would use in applying these documents in ruling; I have no idea which definition they will use, or if they will use both, or if they have additional definitions to add in, or how much they will enjoy making their ruling.





It's not--but it is mentioned in the KB article I linked. Therefore, the KB article I linked, if it is official CCP policy, is the relevant document, no? Your argument seems to be backfiring on you--unless the KB article isn't official. It seemed official to me, but I really have no idea if it is or not. I'm posting not to prove you wrong, but to find out what the real deal is, because I don't know. (And if the KB article isn't official, the policy linked just above by Tardbar surely is, right?)

For the record, I am a longtime supporter of the New Order, and am posting out of a desire for clarity, not to advocate any side. If I were to advocate a side, I'd advocate removing rules against griefing, if they do in fact exist.

Hulk
Modulated Strip miner II x 3
Veldspar II Crystal.
1961.04³m x 3 = 5890³m.
121.78 Seconds Cycle.
Range: 26.00km. (25.997).

"Max yield" varies from player to player, and no I'm not talking about skills or fittings.

The Code clearly states that you must only mine what you need. Someone, let's call him Bob, might need 10 trit to finish off manufacturing a new catalyst, so he only takes enough ore for that amount. Another player, let's call him Somer, only needs 1 trit to manufacture a new Scorpion Ishukone Watch, so he only mines enough to get that single trit.

I hope this has cleared things up for you. If you have further mining questions, please refer to this Ultimate Eve Online Mining Guide.

Yeah I was going to go there, but decided to try and keep it short this time. That is truly the maximum level of thinking. There is no need to mine when you can just buy what you need. It is my belief that rampant mining makes ships so cheap that people don't mind losing them. If trit, for instance, cost 10 times as much due to fewer miners, (assuming all else being equal) people may take more care of their ships and be better pilots. There is really no downside. That is why I really think CCP should do some sort of special event where all the ore in the universe magically disappears for like a month. They can write a story that goes into the lore. Eventually someone tracks down the problem and restores the ores. I think it would be great fun and interesting month for all sorts of reasons.

Perhaps, but this thread is part of the emergent gameplay/player created content everyone talks about. Not everyone needs to strap themselves into the saddle of an internet spaceship to get their plex worth of fun.