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What would happen if EVERYONE paid with plex?? (or market empty)

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Forum Mcforum
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-10-10 15:43:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Forum Mcforum
For some time there has been mention of CCP bumping up plex prices, but I was having a discussion with a friend last night, about what would happen if every plex on the market was used??

There is probabally a large amount of plex on the market, but also a large amount of people who use isk to play eve, myself included - I refuse to use real cash to play eve.


now half way through the conversation we realised that everyone couldn't pay by plex, as the market would run empty (if ccp do seed this they would lose money.)

but how big a player loss do you think would occur if everyone would be forced to pay with cash rather than plex???

personally I think it would be a huge noticeable thing, but if this started to happen would CCP seed the market, even though they would lose income???

(EDIT I wasn't aware plex's spawned from the market, they didn't used to)
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#2 - 2013-10-10 15:45:08 UTC
You are aware that all PLEX originate from sales right? They are not randomly spawned.

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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2013-10-10 15:46:47 UTC
The price would spike, people would buy more plex and put them on sale.

#T2013
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#4 - 2013-10-10 15:46:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Expect more hoarding :)

WHen CCP goes bankrupt, just file all your PLEX claims to the liquidator, I don't think thats been tried yet :) Could get interesting.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-10-10 15:47:17 UTC
The more people pay for gametime with PLEXes, the higher the demand, the higher the PLEX price, the more profitable is it to buy PLEX to sell for ISK, the more PLEXes enter the game. I don't see a situation where we literally run out of all PLEXes ever happening.
Forum Mcforum
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-10-10 15:47:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Forum Mcforum
seriously though, its a serious question - ccp would lose there income stream?

abdeil im talking hypothetically

what do you think?

edit, I don't care too much, but surely its only new players who use cash - no one I speak to actually uses real life money
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#7 - 2013-10-10 15:48:55 UTC
Forum Mcforum wrote:
seriously though, its a serious question - ccp would lose there income stream?

abdeil im talking hypothetically

what do you think?


You care too much for something that isn't yours.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-10-10 15:49:08 UTC
Forum Mcforum wrote:
seriously though, its a serious question - ccp would lose there income stream?

abdeil im talking hypothetically

what do you think?

I think you don't know how PLEX gets into the game.

Dodixie > Hek
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-10-10 15:51:07 UTC
What would happen if every single Rifter was bought off the market? People would just build more.

What would happen if every single PLEX was bought off the market? People would just buy more.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-10-10 15:53:50 UTC
But yeah, hypothetically speaking, if literally every player in the game decided that CCP company policies are so abhorrent that they won't give them a cent again, whether for PLEX or for subs, then yeah, CCP would be SOL. No money = no company, and spawning virtual pixels won't change that.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-10-10 15:58:35 UTC
Forum Mcforum wrote:
edit, I don't care too much, but surely its only new players who use cash - no one I speak to actually uses real life money

I use real money, and you're talking to me.

I couldn't be arsed grinding in an online game for what amounts to two cups of Starbucks a month.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-10-10 16:00:09 UTC
Forum Mcforum wrote:
For some time there has been mention of CCP bumping up plex prices, but I was having a discussion with a friend last night, about what would happen if every plex on the market was used??

i don't think it is possible. When supply of PLEX will go deplete price will skyrocket. So at the end there will be PLEXes on market with price "almost" nobody will want to pay.

Forum Mcforum wrote:

There is probabally a large amount of plex on the market, but also a large amount of people who use isk to play eve, myself included - I refuse to use real cash to play eve.

i guess we will miss you then

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Forum Mcforum
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-10-10 16:02:24 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Forum Mcforum wrote:
edit, I don't care too much, but surely its only new players who use cash - no one I speak to actually uses real life money

I use real money, and you're talking to me.

I couldn't be arsed grinding in an online game for what amounts to two cups of Starbucks a month.




fair enough, no one actually wants to discuss this :-)


also I wouldn't call 10 hours over a month grinding?
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#14 - 2013-10-10 16:10:45 UTC
Forum Mcforum wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Forum Mcforum wrote:
edit, I don't care too much, but surely its only new players who use cash - no one I speak to actually uses real life money

I use real money, and you're talking to me.

I couldn't be arsed grinding in an online game for what amounts to two cups of Starbucks a month.




fair enough, no one actually wants to discuss this :-)


also I wouldn't call 10 hours over a month grinding?



Considering that it doesn't take the majority of people even three hours of RL work to pay for a sub, 10 hours of playing a game just to pay for it is indeed grinding. That's 10 hours that you must play, doing whatever high income activity you do, or you don't get to play again next month. On the other hand, someone who pays cash for their sub can feel free to play as much or as little as they like, and has no minimum time that they must spend doing any one thing.

Ultimately, pay for EVE how you like; I sell PLEX to folks like you, and spend the 10 hours I saved not grinding it using that isk to get ships detonated, because that's what I find fun. If you find PVE fun and don't want to pay cash to sub, those things go hand in hand quite well.
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#15 - 2013-10-10 16:13:36 UTC
Forum Mcforum wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Forum Mcforum wrote:
edit, I don't care too much, but surely its only new players who use cash - no one I speak to actually uses real life money

I use real money, and you're talking to me.

I couldn't be arsed grinding in an online game for what amounts to two cups of Starbucks a month.




fair enough, no one actually wants to discuss this :-)


also I wouldn't call 10 hours over a month grinding?



For someone who doesnt have a whole lot of time to play. Any anyway its only 1 hour a month in RL money so..

Anyway if CCP stopped selling PLEX then i doubt that many people would leave. You say all big and pouty now that you refuse to pay RL money for the game but i reckon if that did happen you and all the other people who pay with PLEX would sub. Well maybe not all but most.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#16 - 2013-10-10 16:20:15 UTC
If it takes you 10 hours a month to earn the isk to not pay, what is it that you value your time at, like $1.50-2.00 an hour? I haven't paid money for game time in a long time, and I value my time much more than that.

People will pay any amount of isk for plex. If prices go "too high" CCP will run sales. But even if they never did that, the market would work fine. The higher plex costs in isk, the more plex will be sold by CCP, and the more plex would appear in the market to eventually bring down prices.

What if the system broke? It would take a structural issue of lack of confidence or fear to cause this, on the level of people questioning the very survival of the game.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-10-10 16:25:17 UTC
The price would rise to the point that people would want to buy plex with IRL cash to get the isk.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Nyan Lafisques
Legion Du Lys
#18 - 2013-10-10 16:27:09 UTC
Forum Mcforum wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Forum Mcforum wrote:
edit, I don't care too much, but surely its only new players who use cash - no one I speak to actually uses real life money

I use real money, and you're talking to me.

I couldn't be arsed grinding in an online game for what amounts to two cups of Starbucks a month.




fair enough, no one actually wants to discuss this :-)


also I wouldn't call 10 hours over a month grinding?



10 hours to grind 600 million isks when you could just grind 1 hour a month IRL instead. I'd rather spend that 10 hours playing the game instead of grinding so I can play another month, even if during that 10 hours I grind ISK, that isk will go in funding my fun stuff instead.
Baggo Hammers
#19 - 2013-10-10 16:52:04 UTC
I love when proles do economic speculation!

If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#20 - 2013-10-10 17:04:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
PLEX is just a type of gift voucher, ie someone else is paying for your ****. It gets sold, or sold to resellers, and CCP bank the cash. They now have a liability for game time. When the plex is consumed the liaiblity is reduced. So not much would happen. Possibly they might earn more from the plex but I don't know the priceperunit they sell GTC to resellers at. Obviously since everyone is paying in plex they can afford to buy the plex so the isk value isn't relevant to the CCP income stream, although this would require people consuming plex they got from GTC not from eve market.
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