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Balancing Feedback: Tier3 Battlecruisers

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Nemesor
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#621 - 2011-11-16 17:51:30 UTC
Packlid wrote:
So this is yet another example of CCP listening to the whining griping PVP masses.

I just left the test server and i can't fit launchers on any of the new tier 3 cruisers. So we now have 2 blaster/rail ships one arty and one laser boat. and ZERO launcher ships!!?? WTF!!??


They should have made the Oracle a nice missile boat like the Sacri.
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#622 - 2011-11-16 17:55:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Gaines
Packlid wrote:
So this is yet another example of CCP listening to the whining griping PVP masses.

I just left the test server and i can't fit launchers on any of the new tier 3 cruisers. So we now have 2 blaster/rail ships one arty and one laser boat. and ZERO launcher ships!!?? WTF!!??

This is not a PvE ship.

You have an armor tanked laser ship
You have a shield tanked arty ship
You have a shield tanked rail ship
You have an armor tanked blaster/drone ship

They are ALL different, and lumping blasters/rails together is just stupid. They use the same T1 ammo but that's it.

It's hybrid ammo, not hybrid weapons.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Phantomania
Lonely Trek
#623 - 2011-11-16 18:12:57 UTC


Its OK, a petition is being passed around atm.

Make it fair!...Make it Missiles!

Missile Pilots want Equality!

Naga needs a 100% Hybrid Turret NERF!


/signed
The Underdark
Perkone
Caldari State
#624 - 2011-11-16 18:20:43 UTC  |  Edited by: The Underdark
Phantomania wrote:


Its OK, a petition is being passed around atm.

Make it fair!...Make it Missiles!

Missile Pilots want Equality!

Naga needs a 100% Hybrid Turret NERF!


/signed


/Signed
Phantomania
Lonely Trek
#625 - 2011-11-16 18:24:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Phantomania
The Underdark wrote:
Phantomania wrote:


Its OK, a petition is being passed around atm.

Make it fair!...Make it Missiles!

Missile Pilots want Equality!

Naga needs a 100% Hybrid Turret NERF!


/signed


where is this petition?




here, Quote and /sign it!
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#626 - 2011-11-16 18:27:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Gypsio III
Phantomania wrote:
The Underdark wrote:
Phantomania wrote:


Its OK, a petition is being passed around atm.

Make it fair!...Make it Missiles!

Missile Pilots want Equality!

Tornado needs a 100% projectile Turret NERF!
Tornado needs missile bonuses!


/signed


where is this petition?




here, Quote and /sign it!


Frickin' signed!
Doogan Yanumano
Perkone
Caldari State
#627 - 2011-11-16 18:36:20 UTC
Signed!

Give us our Missiles!!!

The Caldari Prayer:

Our missiles, who art in launchers
Hallowed be thy payload
Thy warhead come
Our enemies be done
In low sec
As it is in Empire
Give us this day
Our daily ISK
And forgive us our WCS's
But we won't forgive those that
use them against us
And lead us not into bubbles,
But deliver us from scramblers
For thine is the thermal,
The explosive,
And the kinetic
EM
Dr Sodius
#628 - 2011-11-16 18:43:59 UTC
stop acting like little childs... the stupidity is strong in the last 3 pages... especially if carebears like you, who want to make missions with the new bc's, coming here and say: "i dont get a shiny new toy this winter, i demand equality".....



the naga stays with hybrids and thats it!


learn hybrids or GTFO & HFTU
Eva Blacklist
Friendless.
#629 - 2011-11-16 18:45:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Eva Blacklist
Hey remember the whole spinning ship thing? Yea, the one were you said 'we messed up?' Yea, that one. No missile launchers on the Naga is worse. Thanks for ruining the expansion for me. You suck. For fook's sake...

/sighed
Phantomania
Lonely Trek
#630 - 2011-11-16 18:47:25 UTC
Dr Sodius wrote:
stop acting like little childs... the stupidity is strong in the last 3 pages... especially if carebears like you, who want to make missions with the new bc's, coming here and say: "i dont get a shiny new toy this winter, i demand equality".....



the naga stays with hybrids and thats it!


learn hybrids or GTFO & HFTU



does that mean you sign the petition?
OT Smithers
A Farewell To Kings...
Dock Workers
#631 - 2011-11-16 18:50:14 UTC
spawx wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
Here is the latest update on these ships:

NAGA


  • Missile role removed, now focuses as a hybrid platform
  • 10% Torpedo velocity per level swapped for 5% to Large Hybrid Turret damage per level


As pointed out, even with the velocity bonus, torpedoes have a too short of a range to be useful in practical situation with the Naga since it has the lowest mobility of all tier 3 battlecruisers and quite poor defensive options. Aligning this ship into a missile platform would have required a long range option as well, meaning the use of cruise missiles, which created a certain number of issues.

Specializing for a hybrid long range platform made more sense with the Naga role, which is why the damage bonus was appealing, especially when combined with CCP Tallest changes; it also makes more sense regarding Caldari tier philosophy, where highest tech 1 tiers usually are hybrid platforms (Merlin, Moa, Rokh).


TALOS


  • 25m3 dronebay and bandwidth added


Even if quite in opposition with the tier 3 battlecruiser role design, it adds an edge this ship needs over the other variants, especially since the Naga now it does the same damage with Hybrids. So, while we are looking at the blaster situation, we agreed giving the Talos a bit more survability against smaller threats was a good compromise for the time being.


TORNADO


  • Large Projectile Turret Falloff reduced from 10 to 5% per level


The reason for this reduction was mainly due to the range falloff reaches on autocannons when combined with the proper rigs, Barrage and Tracking Enchancers, dwarfing blasters in the close range department; we will see how the situation evolves and possibly make further changes to compensate.


Also, please note some small powergrid/CPU changes may happen to the tier 3 battlecruisers in the next build.

Thanks for your time.



>NAGA
Screw this, i want missiles not some cheapass Hyrbid **** noone even wants to train for. most caldari ppl have focused their training on missiles and now on this (and all other non-used Hybrid caldari ships) we are required to train a whole other set of skills to fly it? I am disapointed that CCP thinks Caldari shuld roll with Hybrids, how come the Tornado didnt get missiles since typhoon uses it ? same **** as you ******* us over as if you did that to the minmatar ship.

Ty for ruining this great looking ship -.-


+1

This Naga is not a new toy for Caldari, it's a second new toy for Gallente. CCP, this is not freaking difficult. If you can add massive bonuses to hybrids you can add them to torpedo and cruise missiles. And if, in doing so, you discover the REASON no one currently uses Caldari BS's in PvP so what.
Gempei
Marvinovi pratele
#632 - 2011-11-16 18:51:39 UTC
Phantomania wrote:
Make it fair!...Make it Missiles!

I am Caldari, most skills in missiles, but torpeda Naga is unusable ship, calm down, do no spam chats, thanks!
Phantomania
Lonely Trek
#633 - 2011-11-16 18:56:44 UTC
Gempei wrote:
Phantomania wrote:
Make it fair!...Make it Missiles!

I am Caldari, most skills in missiles, but torpeda Naga is unusable ship, calm down, do no spam chats, thanks!



meh, cruise missiles or some fixed bonus's for torps, it'll be nice!


So, can I put you down as signed?
Morgan North
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#634 - 2011-11-16 19:01:53 UTC
/signed just for variety (Eve needs variety, even if nobody uses the Naga with torps in pvp)
Linir Kion
Mantras Holdings
#635 - 2011-11-16 19:01:59 UTC
Phantomania wrote:


Its OK, a petition is being passed around atm.

Make it fair!...Make it Missiles!

Missile Pilots want Equality!

Naga needs a 100% Hybrid Turret NERF!


/signed



/signed
tika te
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#636 - 2011-11-16 19:02:59 UTC  |  Edited by: tika te
naga is now a better blasterboat than talos!

i don't see any point where 25m³ drones will improve talos in any way in its role as a blasterboat.


just a tought:
drop the currendt naga/talos nonsense..
make talos a really good rail gunship..a tornado counterpart for gallente pilots - with it's paperthin tank it will never be a blasterboat unless it's a gallente-bc companion of the vagabond (fast and agile as hell to make up for the paperthin tank - which most probably will never happen)

make naga a dedicated missile boat - either with bonuses making torpedos a viable choice or a cruise missle boat..
tbh, i never understood why caldari use railguns at all, at least not as a main wepon system...

ccp, listen to your players on this one! - just check the loads of posts in this thread. i'm sure there is lotsof REALLISTIC input there..
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#637 - 2011-11-16 19:03:49 UTC
dumb carebears....
Gempei
Marvinovi pratele
#638 - 2011-11-16 19:08:42 UTC
Phantomania wrote:
So, can I put you down as signed?

No, I am happy have reason to train hybrids for caldari ships. We do not need another pve ship... Cool
Zeronic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#639 - 2011-11-16 19:11:39 UTC
/signed

Overall we need a good Torp Boat, I was so disappointed to find the launcher hardpoints removed from the Naga

And since we are on the subject of CCP not listen to it's playerbase. DOWN with POCO!
Moraldor Mantras
State War Academy
Caldari State
#640 - 2011-11-16 19:14:52 UTC
Phantomania wrote:


Its OK, a petition is being passed around atm.

Make it fair!...Make it Missiles!

Missile Pilots want Equality!

Naga needs a 100% Hybrid Turret NERF!


/signed



/signed