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Is SOV null sec boring?

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2013-10-10 11:29:01 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Every time I attempt to enter sov null, I've been bubbled and killed, so I don't know if it's boring.

However, if it IS boring, then there are many people determined to protect that boredom. I guess sov null is where neckbeards go to die.

Go through wormholes not chokes. If you want to go to a specific area, take a covert ops with probes and find a wormhole from that null space back to empire. Then bring in your other ships through that wormhole route from highsec.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#42 - 2013-10-10 11:49:59 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:

PvE-wise, (because let's be honest, unless you pay completely out of pocket to play the game, you gotta make isk to fly, amiright), I feel that Sov null is perhaps the safest place in the game,


So what you're saying is that if CONCORD was removed from hi-sec that would actually make it safer?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Rekon X
Doomheim
#43 - 2013-10-10 11:59:13 UTC
Coalition numbers.

http://eve-dingo.com/coalition.php

Definition of goon - a stupid person Those who can do, those who can't spew
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2013-10-10 12:08:48 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:

PvE-wise, (because let's be honest, unless you pay completely out of pocket to play the game, you gotta make isk to fly, amiright), I feel that Sov null is perhaps the safest place in the game,


So what you're saying is that if CONCORD was removed from hi-sec that would actually make it safer?

even for your level that was too bad troll.

on the other hand i think this could be closer:
1) make it so 1 high-sec system allows 0..1 outpost
2) allow player to control who can dock in this outpost
3) remove 99% of players (to get population in new high-sec closer to current population of 0.0 SOV)
4) remove CONCORD
5) remove agents and add anomalies so you don't need to visit neighbour systems to farm ISK

then i guess your new high-sec will be safer than now (after some time when corps/alliances/coalitions will be established)

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Prince Kobol
#45 - 2013-10-10 12:09:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Malcanis wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:

PvE-wise, (because let's be honest, unless you pay completely out of pocket to play the game, you gotta make isk to fly, amiright), I feel that Sov null is perhaps the safest place in the game,


So what you're saying is that if CONCORD was removed from hi-sec that would actually make it safer?


How did you come to that conclusions..

No where did he mention HS or Concord.

In some respects null can be the safest place to do with Pve in simply because most null alliances have excellent intel networks and you know straight away if somebody in system is either a friend or foe.

Also you can potentially call on reinforcements if required.

Your problem with this is what?

Man, some people would think you are still a little raw from the roasting you have been getting lately and are now out just to troll (badly at that) for the hell out it.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#46 - 2013-10-10 12:13:28 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:

PvE-wise, (because let's be honest, unless you pay completely out of pocket to play the game, you gotta make isk to fly, amiright), I feel that Sov null is perhaps the safest place in the game,


So what you're saying is that if CONCORD was removed from hi-sec that would actually make it safer?


How did you come to that conclusions..

No where did he mention HS or Concord.

In some respects null can be the safest place to do with Pve in simply because most null alliances have excellent intel networks and you know straight away if somebody in system is either a friend or foe.

Also you can potentially call on reinforcements if required.

Your problem with this is what?

Man, some people would think you are still a little raw from the roasting you have been getting lately and are now out just to troll (badly at that) for the hell out it.


He absolutely mentioned hi-sec and CONCORD.

Man some people would think that you didn't read the original post and you're so keen to bandwaggon some more you're making obvious errors.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Prince Kobol
#47 - 2013-10-10 12:18:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Malcanis wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:

PvE-wise, (because let's be honest, unless you pay completely out of pocket to play the game, you gotta make isk to fly, amiright), I feel that Sov null is perhaps the safest place in the game,


So what you're saying is that if CONCORD was removed from hi-sec that would actually make it safer?


How did you come to that conclusions..

No where did he mention HS or Concord.

In some respects null can be the safest place to do with Pve in simply because most null alliances have excellent intel networks and you know straight away if somebody in system is either a friend or foe.

Also you can potentially call on reinforcements if required.

Your problem with this is what?

Man, some people would think you are still a little raw from the roasting you have been getting lately and are now out just to troll (badly at that) for the hell out it.


He absolutely mentioned hi-sec and CONCORD.

Man some people would think that you didn't read the original post and you're so keen to bandwaggon some more you're making obvious errors.


Wow.. you really are bad at trolling.. nearly as bad at being a CSM Member :)

KnowUsByTheDead wrote:


PvE-wise, (because let's be honest, unless you pay completely out of pocket to play the game, you gotta make isk to fly, amiright), I feel that Sov null is perhaps the safest place in the game, while simultaneously giving you the thrill of being out of CONCORD's protection. Also teaches you valuable lessons early in your EVE career, like pay attention to local and intel channels, stay aligned, make safe spots in the systems you operate in.....so on an so forth. And the safety of well-defended Sov, can be quite lucrative to your wallet, if you do the right things.

Like all things in EVE, it has it's pro's and con's. No matter what you choose to pursue, there is always at least one downside of it.


At which point did the op talk about removing Concord from HS?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#48 - 2013-10-10 12:29:40 UTC
He didn't nor did I say that he did; that was a question I asked in order to highlight the nonsensical assertion that 0.0 is safer than hi-sec.

You said he didn't mention CONCORD; there's CONCORD right there in his post that you quoted.

Once again, you have tripped over easily verifiable facts in your haste to be ~mad~ about something, with predictable results.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#49 - 2013-10-10 12:33:30 UTC
The whole pretend universe is boring if you're doing boring stuff.

Don't do boring stuff.

♪ They'll always be bloodclaws to me ♫
Prince Kobol
#50 - 2013-10-10 12:40:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Malcanis wrote:
He didn't nor did I say that he did; that was a question I asked in order to highlight the nonsensical assertion that 0.0 is safer than hi-sec.

You said he didn't mention CONCORD; there's CONCORD right there in his post that you quoted.

Once again, you have tripped over easily verifiable facts in your haste to be ~mad~ about something, with predictable results.


No.. you said

"So what you're saying is that if CONCORD was removed from hi-sec that would actually make it safer?

You deliberately took a section of his post so is was no longer in context and tried to twist it to make yourself look clever / funny, actually to be honest god knows what you were trying to be.

You were then called out on it and now you are trying to back track.

All in all, pretty weak, even by your low standards.

Not been your week so far has it Big smile
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-10-10 12:44:46 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:

PvE-wise, (because let's be honest, unless you pay completely out of pocket to play the game, you gotta make isk to fly, amiright), I feel that Sov null is perhaps the safest place in the game,


So what you're saying is that if CONCORD was removed from hi-sec that would actually make it safer?

Yes. Safer for experienced players in established alliances.

That doesn't mean such a change would be better for EVE. As interesting as an all-0.0 EVE would be, we still need highsec for new players to start in, get acquainted with the game, and learn about the mechanics/combat/skills/politics to join a real corporation/alliance.
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2013-10-10 12:57:24 UTC
To be fair to Malcanis, if I were suddenly faced with the reality that I was putting time and effort into a meaningless body that only existed as a PR stunt and didn't have any real input, I would probably spend the rest of my term just trolling the **** out of everybody too.
Prince Kobol
#53 - 2013-10-10 13:01:23 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
To be fair to Malcanis, if I were suddenly faced with the reality that I was putting time and effort into a meaningless body that only existed as a PR stunt and didn't have any real input, I would probably spend the rest of my term just trolling the **** out of everybody too.


Yeah but man, that is some really bad trolling, I mean that is the kind of trolling you would find say on the WoW forums, no where near good enough for the Eve Forums.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2013-10-10 13:06:10 UTC
Kyle Sev wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
It's only boring if you're bad (or your corp/alliance is bad). Right now I am involved in so much fighting that I can't physically make it to all of it on one character.

From what I`ve been told null`s become 2 big power blocs and there pets. if your not in them then your going to get destroyed the second you enter null. except with rare exceptions. Then again never been there myself can only repeat what ive been told for now.

you are wrong entering and living in null is easy for small groups. Mainly they live in npc null (not sov null) but some groups not part of the 2 powerblocks hold sov. Notably the russians and proviblock. i understand proviblock are fairly welcoming as long as you follow their rules.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#55 - 2013-10-10 13:35:32 UTC
I was in a nullsec alliance once. Took me about a month to get completely sick of the pyramid politics. I'm glad I bailed, been living a lowsec pirate's life ever since. No regrets.
Prince Kobol
#56 - 2013-10-10 13:44:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
The truth of the matter is some people love null sec, other think its okay, others hate it.

What you need to do is to stop listening to other peoples opinions and get out there and find out for yourself.

My first time in null was a pretty bad experience. Second time was much better as I was with a good group of people and every subsequent time I have gone back to null it has always gotten better and I am now in corp / alliance that I find myself really enjoying Eve like never before, which at the end of the day, is the whole point of playing a game Big smile
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2013-10-10 14:34:17 UTC
I enjoy life in Sov Null.

Once you've lived around New Eden, you find all space is pretty similar. Just like in RL, home is what you make of it.

Sov null just has upgraded resources and jump bridges so you can be lazy about getting around. But the activities are all the same as anywhere- WH's, Incursions, belts, anoms, etc.

Since Sov doesn't mean you can control people coming thru your space, it's functionally the same as anywhere else. The owner just has the benefit of stations/POS. So ratting, PI, etc isn't any safer really, but hopefully you can call on friends if you run into trouble. (friends that can get there quickly because of jump bridges, logging in a Titan, etc)

What is different, is the level of organization and player co-operation. All the end content stuff like Sov requires not just having friends, but having LOTS of friends. It's a different mindset than the high sec "how can I do this alone?" mentality.
Life out in the sticks requires more contribution to the group- there is always busy-work to help with like fueling towers, moving materials, cyno suicide for friends...

As part of a coalition, I can fly with pretty much the northern half of the map. Clicking on Fleet Finder never yields less than ten fleets I can join doing anything from mining to gate camping. If I form a fleet, chances are good I can get real numbers of people to join. Voice comms at this level are well-integrated as well.

Just for me personally, PvP is much more fun having something to 'fight for' like Sov. Every battle, win or lose, is just part of a larger story. Losing ships isn't just 'losing' if you saved a POS, or took a moon, or flipped an iHub....
I enjoy the depth and complexities of the meta game as well. We have diplomats, treaties, rent out space, back up CFC allies in fights, host internal competitions and tournaments, develop fleet and fitting doctrines, lay out jump bridge networks, etc.

Lastly, Sov Null is where the potential of Eve's combat system really shines. It's where fleets are almost exclusively made up of high end 'shiny' ships and fittings. As a low sec pirate, I enjoyed cobbling together a canoe that was actually dangerous- but out in Sov Null, my daily driver is a Ferrari.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#58 - 2013-10-10 14:55:44 UTC
Alaric Faelen wrote:
Lastly, Sov Null is where the potential of Eve's combat system really shines. It's where fleets are almost exclusively made up of high end 'shiny' ships and fittings. As a low sec pirate, I enjoyed cobbling together a canoe that was actually dangerous- but out in Sov Null, my daily driver is a Ferrari.

How much are our T3 fleet fits (or the baltec megathrons) ?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#59 - 2013-10-10 14:56:40 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
To be fair to Malcanis, if I were suddenly faced with the reality that I was putting time and effort into a meaningless body that only existed as a PR stunt and didn't have any real input, I would probably spend the rest of my term just trolling the **** out of everybody too.

Yeah, it's terrible what happens when a person breaks

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#60 - 2013-10-10 14:57:26 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:

PvE-wise, (because let's be honest, unless you pay completely out of pocket to play the game, you gotta make isk to fly, amiright), I feel that Sov null is perhaps the safest place in the game,


So what you're saying is that if CONCORD was removed from hi-sec that would actually make it safer?

Yes. Safer for experienced players in established alliances.

That doesn't mean such a change would be better for EVE. As interesting as an all-0.0 EVE would be, we still need highsec for new players to start in, get acquainted with the game, and learn about the mechanics/combat/skills/politics to join a real corporation/alliance.

Clearly concord has to be buffed so they can at least match tens of thousands of players cooperating with these ~evil~ out of game tools.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?