Intergalactic Summit

War profiteering is unseemly, but I'm not sure it's worse to kill for money than to kill for no reason at all.

Oh, but your freedom is profiting while people are dying. You care about the rights to live freely but not really about the right to live.

Individualism isn't truly individual, there's no shelter from powerful individuals like your President and his wars.

You support him by endorsing them.

I get looked at with hate by individuals for not supporting him.

Insert escalation, my life starts to get miserable for not endorsing the majority. Hence why you can't oppose your President.

There are additional terms.

As for issue at hand, if wars are started and enforced for purposes of money ALONE (as you just implied), then I hate to be a wake-up call to what is about to befall the Federation the moment they truly start interacting with Matari.

Then congratulations, you're in my boat. And all of your freedom and individualism opposes your sense of justice.

All embraced Matari get to wake up to this reality as well.

What happens to our feral even barbaric traits inside your Federation? Other individuals get a say and will in time oppose them.

War is on the horizon, in time, between us and your Federation. Especially if only money, as you dare quoted, was the sole cause the last one.

An assumption others make. I merely enjoy conflict, amongst a string of other things.

I merely aimed to explain the paradox of his view of his Federation, his Federation's views/wars, and maybe the light of what awaits when the Federation begins true dealings with the Minmatar.

You just compared us to the Amarr. That's a mistake. We keep doing what we're good at doing (building battle fleets and spilling blood), that is your profit.

We don't need you, we'd do this regardless of your aid. We'll keep doing it even after you stop paying for it.

A war with the Federation wouldn't be fought like how you know war. Raw fleets smashing raw fleets is again, a comparison of traditional warfare. We are anything but traditional.

What we do best is spill blood. That is what we've evolved into. That is why we don't care for your relief or your aid. And the Republic will never change as a whole into something your media proclaims is constructive and proper. We simply haven't been raised that way.

So... now back to issue one:

We spill blood as a free individual in your Federation, is that justice to you? Or are there additional terms?


P.S. Your Federation war machine is civilized, you know nothing of the nightmarish atrocities exchanged between Amarrian and Matari warfare, especially within slave estates. Pray your people never become the target of that.

It's impossible to fight a war without resources, it's impossible to get resources without isk, and it's impossible for the Republic to get enough isk without Federation assistance. You can't wage war without us, making it impossible to go to war against us.

Even still, you haven't been too great war thing for the last ten or so years. The Elder attacks accomplished nothing but make complete asses of yourselves, as well as the Battle of Colelie. At least when the other nations start trouble they actually get stuff done.

And yes, I did just compare you to the Amarr. Because there is nothing I love more than exposing irony. The fanatical Empire who at times we felt threatened our very existence has helped us more than our so called "allies".



Oh we know how unorthodox your battle doctrine is. Afterall, we did teach you it. While the State and Empire favor well trained, general infantry, the Federation has always had an affinity to decently trained general infantry, with top notch special forces. Trust me, half my childhood was spent in a Federal Navy station near the Caldari border. Our grunts aren't that great, but boy oh boy are our special forces superb. Again, individualism shines through. Why send in 1000 average troops to do a job that 10 super soldiers can do? Of course, I'm getting off topic again.



I think you seem to misunderstand Gallente Individualism. We don't believe that you can just say "whatever, I do what I want!". There are still laws and rules to uphold, which are fairly easy to do. In regards to justice, blood should be spilled when it's appropriate. We're not going to cut off your hand for pickpocketing, but we might set you on fire for causing millions of Gallenteans to die by allowing a hostile navy to invade. Keep in mind that we have a Judicial Branch of government. An entire organization within our society dedicated to determining what is right and wrong.

Civilized warfare is an oxymoron. Our conflicts have been just as brutal as yours. Look at the civilian insurrections before the Battle of Caldari Prime. Provist officials were having their corpses dragged through the streets. Dead military police were being buried in the gardens of elderly men. We are all human at the end of the day and no matter how much you try to restrain your "primitive" or "barbaric" nature, it will come out when the going gets tough. If you ever study biology you'll learn that every living thing in the universe share's one thing in common. The instinct to survive at any and all costs. Stories of soldiers sacrificing themselves so that a wounded comrade can escape are amazing, but a rarity. I've been in warzones before, hell I'm fighting in one right now. You'd be surprised how easily well trained and disciplined soldiers are degraded to hiding in ditches.

The warfare between Caldari and Gallente is anything but civilized Ms.Rea. Terrorist blowing up underwater cities leaving millions to drown in agony. Vengeful fleets nuking civilian centers from orbit. Desperate fleet commanders intentionally crashing carriers into planets to take as many down with them as possible. Horrific drones literally tearing people limb from limb. Dishonored soldiers drinking poison to redeem themselves or being burned alive. Fanatical leaders ordering the destruction of their own homeworld. Soldiers hearing their officers cry "those who retreat will be shot, not one step backwards!"

There is little difference between strangling someone to death with your rusted chains, and disintegrating them down to the molecular level with nanobots. War is war. Murder is murder. Trying to make your fighting sound worse than ours is childish and does a great dishonor to those who perished.

Oh, if you were speaking of the Federation, you'd be entirely correct. You forget you're talking about Minmatar, the same people who defined fighting without resources against an Empire that had all of them at the time. Not all of us fell to the collar during The Reclaiming, and we've gotten only better in time.




Again, not to your Federation's standard. The atrocities we commit in the shadows are best left off the holovids, especially when there is a strong push by the Federation to welcome Matari refugees. Nobody needs to know about what we did so some bastard's family yesterday.




No, you didn't. You actually don't know half of what our society practices since the days of The Reclaiming. What you've taught us is uniformity, doctrine, alternative methods that generate numbers via Federation standard. But what you fail to recognize is we're rather a society that would rather use one man, passionate, with his rusted knife, in the home of someone's family behind the enemy's line than the sum of what all 10 super soldiers can do through an entire battle.

Because that would just not be civilized.

You don't want people to hate you after your actions, a fatal flaw amongst all your battle doctrine. We, however, forever want to be remembered for the horrors we can inflict upon our enemy, even when far from the battle line. That fight has always been something we've questioned as to if it is our nature.

But you know, due to your Federation's training, you might have helped us fight the uniform fight a little easier now. At least against the Federation. Thanks for the training, thanks for exposing us to your doctrine, thanks for the funding... we'd eat your kind alive, all because you'd never once get the fair fight.

And if you were to degrade yourselves to our level, you'd be condemned by the entire Assembly and even the Amarrians, after all you've called them so uncivilized in their manner of handling us that it would be a sweet opportunity for them to rub it in.

You've never wondered if there's actual reasoning in their opinion of us, too hell-bent on giving us equal rights to wonder if you should indeed be fearing us like they do.

You don't know the wrath our kind can inflict. They don't call us savage for nothing, and the vibe you might notice is I very much take pride in it. You'll find there are many Amarrians (many/most of them not immortals) who will not budge in the slightest about how we should be treated, that we should be stopped before we dare get to do what it is we truly do best.




Do human beings delight in inflicting horror? To touch someone where you just don't touch? To expose taboo and twist the knife in it?

Fight or flight. Biology may also teach you that an instinctive decision is made in a moment of conflict by all things of if you can fight a foe, if the odds are in your favor, and what you might do to live another day.

I come from a society that has died too often, body ravaged to the point death would be such a blessing. I have died the moment vitoc began to make its demands of me, the moment I would be thrown into the hound pits, the moment a station's cruel depths got their hands on me and for a month got the chance to perform atrocity to an immortal. Many other times I could additionally list.

I survived long more than I ever should. Death is a welcoming sentence and even if you were to take your time, I would smirk with lifeless eyes into all that you are, knowing you couldn't do half of what it would take to actually put fear into me.

Only an inconvenience, that's all you can be.

That's all your Federation and its might can be.

So moment of fight or flight ensues during this potential war. What do I do against a foe I can't beat? Do I run, or do I run to find his family, or his best friend's family, or his commander's family, or do i go for his younger greener squadmate, his female medic, his ******* dog even, and do I make sure I am forever passionately remembered before my time is up?

You really don't have a clue what it is you're tempting us with.





Maybe we really should go to war. I think you all are due for an education as to what "uncivilized warfare" is. After a few true clashes with us, I dare you to still consider war just being war and murder just being murder.

We don't care about your honor or our own, not even in the slightest.

Hated? Feared?

You missed a key part.

No, my dear Vikarion, we don't care if we're beaten, we care only if we're remembered.



P.S. We were beaten long before such a war, repeatedly. We special Matari, we're just so much past that.

I will call that bluff any day. After all what do I have left to lose?

It'll be just more of the same.

A Caldari without honor? Family? Reputation?

My, you truly have accomplished nothing in life?

And you want to waste the remainder of it chasing another nobody? Simply because she calls you out?

Excuse me while I go laugh hysterically.

I like you. You really are scum.