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i don't want to sell to everyone

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Nupassio
Nupassio Industry Line
#1 - 2013-10-09 17:41:24 UTC
a big hassle in this game is the low-sec zones where the people kill you for nothing.

Why is there no option in this game to block these people on the market - like a blacklist ?
I don't see a point to sell my goods to the pirates that tried to bring me down in industry ...

The PC-rats in the belts tell me Eve is a PvP-Game so market should be either , but i see no option to bann them from buying my stuff

CCP should include this in the game - not only ultrahardcorestuff for long-time-players like exploring wornholes.

fly safe
Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
#2 - 2013-10-09 17:54:15 UTC
Manipulate the market so tgey have to pay twice as much for everything and sell stuff to pirate hunters for cheaper. That is how you pvp without firing a shot.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#3 - 2013-10-09 18:25:50 UTC
Nupassio wrote:
a big hassle in this game is the low-sec zones where the people kill you for nothing.

Why is there no option in this game to block these people on the market - like a blacklist ?
I don't see a point to sell my goods to the pirates that tried to bring me down in industry ...

The PC-rats in the belts tell me Eve is a PvP-Game so market should be either , but i see no option to bann them from buying my stuff

CCP should include this in the game - not only ultrahardcorestuff for long-time-players like exploring wornholes.

fly safe


You could trade in lead for a lifetime and one day be killed by a bullet crafted by that very lead.

Markets are blind, but fair. Twisted
Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
#4 - 2013-10-09 19:08:45 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Nupassio wrote:
a big hassle in this game is the low-sec zones where the people kill you for nothing.

Why is there no option in this game to block these people on the market - like a blacklist ?
I don't see a point to sell my goods to the pirates that tried to bring me down in industry ...

The PC-rats in the belts tell me Eve is a PvP-Game so market should be either , but i see no option to bann them from buying my stuff

CCP should include this in the game - not only ultrahardcorestuff for long-time-players like exploring wornholes.

fly safe


You could trade in lead for a lifetime and one day be killed by a bullet crafted by that very lead.

Markets are blind, but fair. Twisted


But if you trade in really poor quality lead, the bullet might not kill you.
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-10-09 19:08:53 UTC
Nupassio wrote:
a big hassle in this game is the low-sec zones where the people kill you for nothing.

Why is there no option in this game to block these people on the market - like a blacklist ?
I don't see a point to sell my goods to the pirates that tried to bring me down in industry ...

The PC-rats in the belts tell me Eve is a PvP-Game so market should be either , but i see no option to bann them from buying my stuff

CCP should include this in the game - not only ultrahardcorestuff for long-time-players like exploring wornholes.

fly safe


For the sake of sanity, even if CCP allowed you to blacklist players like this it would do you no good as they just create an alt to buy stuff they need and go around your black list. So this idea is an entire waste of time and effort.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#6 - 2013-10-09 19:15:08 UTC
Tigerras wrote:
But if you trade in really poor quality lead, the bullet might not kill you.


Or you might just die poor ;).
Vipre Morte
Team JK
#7 - 2013-10-09 20:22:45 UTC
Hammer Crendraven wrote:

For the sake of sanity, even if CCP allowed you to blacklist players like this it would do you no good as they just create an alt to buy stuff they need and go around your black list. So this idea is an entire waste of time and effort.


No, I still like it. There's a way for the pirates to get around it, but it involves taking extra steps. We all know that CONVENIENCE drives profits in many aspects of this game.

If they have to take extra steps, sign out/in, transfer stuff between alts, just to re-supply their ammo? Ha, make 'em.
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-10-09 20:39:02 UTC
Vipre Morte wrote:
Hammer Crendraven wrote:

For the sake of sanity, even if CCP allowed you to blacklist players like this it would do you no good as they just create an alt to buy stuff they need and go around your black list. So this idea is an entire waste of time and effort.


No, I still like it. There's a way for the pirates to get around it, but it involves taking extra steps. We all know that CONVENIENCE drives profits in many aspects of this game.

If they have to take extra steps, sign out/in, transfer stuff between alts, just to re-supply their ammo? Ha, make 'em.


Oh god here we go down the rabbit hole. Ok so then the guys that make T2 stuff black list everyone but there friends.
They gain a total market control of T2 goods. Really you want to give the goons that power?
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#9 - 2013-10-09 20:42:41 UTC
Hammer Crendraven wrote:

Oh god here we go down the rabbit hole. Ok so then the guys that make T2 stuff black list everyone but there friends.
They gain a total market control of T2 goods. Really you want to give the goons that power?


It wouldn't make a difference. This is almost explicitly what contracts are for (and communal ship/fitting hangers).
Solstice Project's Alt
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-10-09 21:03:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project's Alt
Nupassio wrote:
a big hassle in this game is the low-sec zones where the people kill you for nothing.

Why is there no option in this game to block these people on the market - like a blacklist ?
I don't see a point to sell my goods to the pirates that tried to bring me down in industry ...

The PC-rats in the belts tell me Eve is a PvP-Game so market should be either , but i see no option to bann them from buying my stuff

CCP should include this in the game - not only ultrahardcorestuff for long-time-players like exploring wornholes.

fly safe
Are you actually capable of deeper thoughts?

Let me explain, why i believe you're not.
At least not when you're pissed about something.

First of all, your mind completely ignored that this would mean that everybody can ban everybody else.

So ... as i gank people, more and more people will ban me from the market.

The end result, which is inevitable, will be that i can't buy stuff anymore. (unless i use an alt)

So, instead, i start building stuff.
Lots of it.
I can use alts to push this.
You can't ban me from mining or gathering salvage, you know.

I start building stuff and undercutting people on the market.
"Minerals i mine are free", although wrong, can be put to good use in this case,
so i start undercutting competition and ban you from buying my goods. (unless you use an alt)

Bear with me, this gets better. :)


So ... now i have pissed you off (again), because less and less people buy your stuff.

I can keep undercutting forever, as long as i can fund my alts.
Catch ? No.
I can easily PLEX any amount of alts by ganking haulers, (as i have alts, i have lots of cheap firepower)
preferably those who move stuff from the competition. :)
Stuff i gank with i can build myself easily.

In the end, i would ruin the economy completely,
because i keep selling stuff for under market value,
which leads to you trying to undercut me at a loss,
which will keep pushing prices downwards,
until you realise that although wrong,
"Minerals i mine are free" so i keep undercutting until you give up.


The explanation, why i believe that you're incapable of deeper thoughts,
(might be influenced by you being a baby that gets mad about losing stuff)
has nothing to do with the above story. At all.


TL;DR:

People can use alts. Although possible to ban characters from the market,
it's completely pointless to put in such a mechanic, as people can simply
use a different character to buy everything needed and hand it over.


This is *so* obvious, i guess i have blown up your mind.

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Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
#11 - 2013-10-09 21:13:22 UTC
mechtech wrote:
Hammer Crendraven wrote:

Oh god here we go down the rabbit hole. Ok so then the guys that make T2 stuff black list everyone but there friends.
They gain a total market control of T2 goods. Really you want to give the goons that power?


It wouldn't make a difference. This is almost explicitly what contracts are for (and communal ship/fitting hangers).



I remember when contracts were useful for buying faction and officer stuff.

I made many an iskie those days....then drank them all away.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#12 - 2013-10-09 21:13:24 UTC
Dont sell your stuff in lowsec :)

Then you wont be selling to -10 ebil piwates, you will just be selling to their alts
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-10-09 21:51:16 UTC
mechtech wrote:
Hammer Crendraven wrote:

Oh god here we go down the rabbit hole. Ok so then the guys that make T2 stuff black list everyone but there friends.
They gain a total market control of T2 goods. Really you want to give the goons that power?


It wouldn't make a difference. This is almost explicitly what contracts are for (and communal ship/fitting hangers).


Contracts are either public (everyone) or private (one person not multiple) and they have a two week time limit.
And you have far far fewer contracts available than you do have market slots. SIgnificant differences between the two.
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#14 - 2013-10-10 10:50:01 UTC
Nupassio wrote:

Why is there no option in this game to block these people on the market - like a blacklist ?


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#15 - 2013-10-10 17:29:24 UTC
What has been suggested before and could work would be private markets. A private market is one that looks just like the regular market we see in a station, except its set up by a person, corp or alliance and has access limited to a group. That group can include corp members, alliance members, blues, light blues, neutrals, and/or reds, with access and/or surcharges attached to each category.

The purpose? To facilitate groups of players working together. It actually would not allow anything new over what can be done now. It just streamlines the process of people in a group selling and buying from each other.

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-10-10 17:52:53 UTC
The problem here seems to be knowing who you've sold to, so the most expedient solution would be to have the game not tell you. Twisted

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Ali Aras
Deep Talent Pool
Diplomatic Incidents.
#17 - 2013-10-10 17:56:28 UTC
The other solution, of course, is to move to (sov) nullsec and stock a market there-- a lot harder for neut pirates to buy your stuff.

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LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#18 - 2013-10-10 18:24:56 UTC
Nupassio wrote:
a big hassle in this game is the low-sec zones where the people kill you for nothing.

Why is there no option in this game to block these people on the market - like a blacklist ?
I don't see a point to sell my goods to the pirates that tried to bring me down in industry ...

The PC-rats in the belts tell me Eve is a PvP-Game so market should be either , but i see no option to bann them from buying my stuff

CCP should include this in the game - not only ultrahardcorestuff for long-time-players like exploring wornholes.

fly safe


Simply will not work, sanctioning people or corps won't work in an open market like eves
Nupassio
Nupassio Industry Line
#19 - 2013-10-10 18:28:44 UTC
its good that you are all stoned for a special degree ...

But coming to common sence - there is just no way to shop legally somewhere where you burglered the owner/producer.

CCP is just ignoring their own set of plot (4 races of humanity having special values to each other). There should be a better system to the market - maybe, like the loyalitiy points with the corporations (your standings) ?

It can't be true that people think you can be podded in LowSec just for fun and turn customer the other day in HiSec ...

... and coming to my opinion "Vipre Morte" has my best understandings in his reply
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-10-10 19:27:02 UTC
Okay, here's the real answer: You did not sell the goods to the pirate. You placed the goods in escrow with a brokerage service that handles the sales & returns the proceeds to you, minus their own fees & applicable government taxes. Said brokerage service is merely interested in making as much money for themselves as much fast as possible, which means moving as many goods for their clients as fast as possible, which means they're not interested in limiting their market by blacklisting people.

That's just how it works, and there's no mechanic otherwise, and as was illustrated by a few posters in this thread, such a mechanic would be pointless and ineffectual anyway.

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