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Griefing CCP - Bounties for E-Uni Ganking
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Naburi NasNaburi
Doomheim
#121 - 2011-11-16 06:39:28 UTC
Revenge is a bitter kiss *smirks*
Yornic
Jackets Corporation
#122 - 2011-11-16 06:45:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Yornic
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Juicy Chanlin wrote:
But did you pay Kelduum? Because if you didn't.. I call this whole thing BS.. YOU set the terms.. he followed them to the letter.. Pay up or shut up!!
He smoked a director alt (basically a placeholder). No one expects that to be paid out. Neither do you. It's just Kelduum being a douchebag. And it goes without saying that he's not going to pay Unistas to smoke Unistas.


I expected it to be paid out! He did follow the rules! I even suggested it!

Poetic Schnitzel wrote:

vOv

It's a pretty minor act of "name calling" doncha think? And Kelduum is/was being douchey.

At least I do it my proselytizing on my main with no fear ... not like the fearless Uni director using his Caldari Citizen 4857209 alt in a previous post.


I don't think that was Kelduum's alt...that doesn't sound like Kelduum speaking.

Poetic Stanziel wrote:

Kaywinnet Fry


Hey, I didn't Kaywinnet was still around! I remember he flew a Jaguar on my first fleet ever, pretty sure he was scouting or +1. I think we got a Drake and Enyo kill. If I remember, I think my FC was Sto Lo, and I did precisely 0 damage on the targets.
Ensign X
#123 - 2011-11-16 07:39:49 UTC
Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:
I'm no director alt, but riddle me this: do you take greater exception to being called a self-righteous **** because it's being done by somebody's alt or because it's so clearly true?

Listen bro, it's cool that nuthugging and muckraking are your EVE meta games, but a little word of advice if I may, diversify. Your constant whining about the exact same thing over and over and over is tiresome and reeks of pettiness. Tons of people in comedy and journalism have made careers off of persistent whining, but one thing they all have that you don't, other than an ounce of talent, is originality. Mix it up a bit. For our sake and yours.


This is full of so much awesome.

+1 for truthiness.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2011-11-16 08:33:30 UTC
Yornic wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
At least I do it my proselytizing on my main with no fear ... not like the fearless Uni director using his Caldari Citizen 4857209 alt in a previous post.


I don't think that was Kelduum's alt...that doesn't sound like Kelduum speaking.
No it does not. Which is why I did not refer to Caldari Citizen 90210 as Uni CEO.

Try to keep up, Yornic. Smile
Cerulean Ice
Royal Amarr Reclamation
#125 - 2011-11-16 10:34:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Cerulean Ice
"There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode"

EDIT: Fix your forums, CCP. This gets really annoying, really fast.

Cerulean Ice, Professor, E-UNI
Cerulean Ice
Royal Amarr Reclamation
#126 - 2011-11-16 10:37:00 UTC
ShipToaster wrote:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14607027
Hulk : 30 million ISK
low or null then I will pay half

Nice kill Big smile too bad it's not API verified on that link Sad "Not API verified! Source: Manual post"
I suggest using a proper killboard that actually checks the API. This one works pretty well. Enjoy Smile

Cerulean Ice, Professor, E-UNI
Juicy Chanlin
Doomheim
#127 - 2011-11-16 14:18:41 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Juicy Chanlin wrote:
What I don't understand.. is WHY do you care so much about what someone else does to enjoy the game? Why do you have to go out of your way to ruin the game for someone else?

Why do you wish this game was WoW with spaceships? Hell, go play SW:TOR.

This entire game was based around the premise of "ruining someone's day." It's a game about conflict.



Well Poetic. Then I'm just going to point out the obvious. If you truly believe the premise of this game to be was you stated above. Then your entire rant about the Uni and kelduum is nothing but jealousy. Because he has not only been able to sucker and convince 1500 people to follow him, but he also managed to get you to do it too, until the point where it was you that got KICKED and not you that left on your own accord. On top of all those players, he's also managed to convince CCP that what he's doing is for their benefit. Thus, I'd say he's managed to play the game to the fullest of your definition and your purpose. Therefore, you fail my friend. Good luck with your spaceship and E-Uni hate-on. I suggest if you don't find enjoyment in the game, that you go find some other game to play on.
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
#128 - 2011-11-16 14:37:52 UTC
Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
not like the fearless Uni director using his Caldari Citizen 4857209 alt in a previous post.


I'm no director alt, but riddle me this: do you take greater exception to being called a self-righteous **** because it's being done by somebody's alt or because it's so clearly true?

Listen bro, it's cool that nuthugging and muckraking are your EVE meta games, but a little word of advice if I may, diversify. Your constant whining about the exact same thing over and over and over is tiresome and reeks of pettiness. Tons of people in comedy and journalism have made careers off of persistent whining, but one thing they all have that you don't, other than an ounce of talent, is originality. Mix it up a bit. For our sake and yours.



Quoted for the truth , I thought C&P was the one forum that was immune to this bullcrap!

Lady Spank for C&P moderator.
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#129 - 2011-11-16 16:14:05 UTC
UNI-Geddon????
Emily Poast
The Whipping Post
#130 - 2011-11-16 16:29:39 UTC
Did they remove high-sec ganking? No, they didnt. They just removed the ability for you guys to do it for almost no isk-risk. No insurance policy pays out for damages caused by the insured's criminal acts. Welcome to 'the real world' that is EVE.

If you want to grief UNI, that is fine and frankly, these types of episodes are fantastic teaching tools. But I have seen sucessful EUNI griefing, and you are doing it wrong. That being said, I wish both sides good luck. These are the things that make EVE beautiful.

- EUNI Class of 2005.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#131 - 2011-11-16 17:13:50 UTC
Xolani1990 wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:

Poetic Stanziel wrote:
I can't answer the PVP'r directly above me, so I'll ignore it, and hope it goes away.....

FYP.

Go ahead, tell the guy he doesn't know what he's talking about...

Xolani - Don't try to talk sense to the Pathetic Stammerer.... We're all just E-Uni graduate care bears.....


I wasn't the only one who noticed that then.

Edit: ADHC, another corp active in PVP that started from e-uni.

SSSSSSSHhhhhh!

Dammit! You'll blow my cover!

NOPE! Nothing to see here, wormhole space is safer than a n00b system! We all spend our time watching My Little Pony and Batman reruns while we dual box our Hulks... I don't think we even have anyone that has a combat ship (well, we use Ferox' as gas suckers...)

I got my +8 sec status the honest way...

/checks sec status...

/facepalm....
Oops

Emily Poast wrote:
Did they remove high-sec ganking? No, they didnt. They just removed the ability for you guys to do it for almost no isk-risk. No insurance policy pays out for damages caused by the insured's criminal acts. Welcome to 'the real world' that is EVE.
- EUNI Class of 2005.

When I was in The Bastards during Hulkageddon II, I don't think we bothered insuring our ships at all... I know I usually didn't bother. And that was before the first insurance nerf.

I do agree hi-sec needs to be "safer", but blaming it all on E-U is just too frackin' funny....

in a pathetic, stammering kind of way...

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
ShipToaster
#132 - 2011-11-16 17:16:27 UTC
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14621861
Hulk : 30 million ISK
low or null then I will pay half

15 million ISK paid.

.
Dunbar Hulan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#133 - 2011-11-16 17:17:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Dunbar Hulan
Does Eve Uni ever fly into Derelik or Curse? Can't be bothered going to far afield to look for them.
I'll take the job for zip, I'll do it just for the lulz

 ** Manchester United - Paul Scholes= Genius**
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#134 - 2011-11-16 17:35:25 UTC
Dunbar Hulan wrote:
Does Eve Uni ever fly into Derelik or Curse? Can't be bothered going to far afield to look for them.
I'll take the job for zip, I'll do it just for the lulz

Depends, last I heard there were guys leading null-sec/low-sec roams. It changes with the turnover of pilots. I've seen them everywhere (sooner or later) - Not sure about recent events.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Dunbar Hulan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#135 - 2011-11-16 17:43:21 UTC
After heading through Doril, Romc, and KQ, don't think there'll be much left of them by the time they get to CL85-V, might have to get up to Mifrata, or Sendoya and lurk around there.

 ** Manchester United - Paul Scholes= Genius**
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#136 - 2011-11-16 18:02:54 UTC
I could write a wall of text, but I will keep it brief.

The 'problem' with E-Uni isn't that it 'breeds carebears'
The 'problem' is that it gives the carebears a foothold in eve, whereas people that risk adverse would ordinarily leave after their first loss.

Is creating a comfy space for these people "good" or "bad" for Eve? I would suggest it is probably good for CCP via subs, and ergo good for eve.

The problem, at the moment, isn't highsec huggers. The problem is the concessions* being made to them, and that has little or nothing to do with E-Uni, and a lot to do with my previous point.

(* the rewards of highsec are now sufficiently high, that "earning more ISK elsewhere" is no longer a motivator to leave)

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Geertruida Zelle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#137 - 2011-11-16 20:56:20 UTC
ShipToaster wrote:


Nice. Unfortunately the double secret exclusion clause six~



This cannot be right, everyone knows there is no six. It must be Poetry Queen's alt here is lobbing in a double bluff to throw Xolani off the scent.

Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#138 - 2011-11-16 23:09:49 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
I could write a wall of text, but I will keep it brief.

The 'problem' with E-Uni isn't that it 'breeds carebears'
The 'problem' is that it gives the carebears a foothold in eve, whereas people that risk adverse would ordinarily leave after their first loss.I

What E-U provides, which has been *entirely* overlooked (because it's an intangible) is a sense of community. As groups of people enter E-U, they make friends, group up, and when the restrictive rules of the uni start chaffing, they leave and form new corps of players...

Or, like PS, they ***** and whine until they get the boot. Because they don't realize that "it's all been done before..."

Seriously, lot's of players come into the game solo, who don't want to stay solo... It's like the sense of community that other organizations give their players. Goonfleet/swarm, Dredd/Test - those are ready made "communities". If you don't belong to a group before you get into Eve, you quickly figure out that you need friends...

E-U provides *one* of the places people go to (and find that sense of community incidentally) that they can then *find* friends. Which is a pretty big benefit to all of Eve....

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Yornic
Jackets Corporation
#139 - 2011-11-16 23:20:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Yornic
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Yornic wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
At least I do it my proselytizing on my main with no fear ... not like the fearless Uni director using his Caldari Citizen 4857209 alt in a previous post.


I don't think that was Kelduum's alt...that doesn't sound like Kelduum speaking.
No it does not. Which is why I did not refer to Caldari Citizen 90210 as Uni CEO.

Try to keep up, Yornic. Smile


Oh, that is a good point. But I've interacted with Neville, Turhan, Darian, Idree, Marius, Azmod, Debir, Frood, Cerv, Irdy, and Smoogsie, and I don't think any of them strike me as posting in this way. Most of them have pretty level heads.

My bet is it's some pilot who's been out of Uni for ages.

Asuri Kinnes wrote:

What E-U provides, which has been *entirely* overlooked (because it's an intangible) is a sense of community. As groups of people enter E-U, they make friends, group up, and when the restrictive rules of the uni start chaffing, they leave and form new corps of players...

It's like the sense of community that other organizations give their players. Goonfleet/swarm, Dredd/Test - those are ready made "communities". If you don't belong to a group before you get into Eve, you quickly figure out that you need friends...

E-U provides *one* of the places people go to (and find that sense of community incidentally) that they can then *find* friends. Which is a pretty big benefit to all of Eve....



This is true. I left E-UNI in the winter of 2010, about 9 months after I started. But lots of people remember me because I hung around in the Chat.E-UNI, giving advice and lots of random silliness. There are not many people in the game who have suicide ganked the Uni POS solely for the lols...

But I digress. I am also fairly active on the Uni forums, and I found my current corp (Bless you, Victy, Lord of the PWWNies) through EVE University. The community created by E-UNI is massive. For example, I still chat with some MM people despite TEST and MM currently being enemies (and PonyWaffe succeeding greatly in the trolling competition with Shiva).

I love the community, and without it, I would never have continued playing EVE. And nobody says you have to join EVE University (related note, CCP, don't make E-UNI into an NPC corp, it would lose all of its fun).

I think Poetic is having one of those, They were having fun wrong, moments.
Emily Poast
The Whipping Post
#140 - 2011-11-17 01:38:35 UTC
I would have quit EVE after a month without EUNI, and later, The Graduates.

The old 'learning curve' picture is true. Places like EUNI encourage new players to stay. I have never seen statistics on it, but I am certain that the % of new solo people who quit eve after a month is gigantic. EUNI (and other corps like it) should be encouraged, and to be frank, should be advertisied in the initial 'welcome' email you get when you sub. We would have more players for it.

BUT - I also think they should be subject to the normal griefing, and they still are. I encourage you to grief them. Again - its whats awesome about eve. Just dont go complaining when you dont get insurance for your 'non-consensual pvp' (ganking). Keep doing it, but stop complaining. Anyway - I have seen EUNI essentially completely shut down before - so it is possible to hurt these 'carebear' corps. The folks complaining in this thread are just doing it wrong.

And just for kicks: http://the-real-oc.com/photogallery.php?photo_id=9