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Details and update on the Ice Anomaly design

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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#381 - 2013-07-08 13:23:17 UTC
Regarding the four hour respawn time for ice anomalies there does seem to be the occasional comment saying this isn't working but I have checked the timings a few times and it is spot on.

Regarding clearance time per ice anomaly it does vary greatly depending on area and racial type. I imagine Caldari high sec is probably the fastest cleared given that Caldari towers are most popular for the extra CPU in high sec. But I regularly see anomalies lasting over two hours and its not uncommon to see them lasting well over three hours.

Regarding supplies of ice products and prices we will have to wait until all the pre-Odyssey stockpiles are all consumed. Once that happens I think you will see price rises and shortages in Caldari ice for high sec research towers. This will probably result in people having to switch to other racial types of towers to a degree.

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .
Bohoba
#382 - 2013-07-10 03:59:29 UTC
I just came back june 30th to check things out and this Ice change ..... well I for one am not liking it I am lucky to get 1 load of ice before the belt is depleted and they only lasting about 10 min in the 12 systems I hunt ice in. haaha my ice mining ships name was changed to Blue ice Hunter :) I can see this is going to boil over soon.


Oh why not just do it to the ore too ??

might as well just make it a none profession and refund all the mining skill points :).....just had to put that in here



got to love this game to live through all this :) for 9+ years
Cpt Dealman
Victims of the Modern Age
#383 - 2013-07-16 20:59:19 UTC
I wholeheartedly agree with Bohoba, ice mining is one of the things I have specifically skilled for and it used to be the thing I enjoyed to do the most in EVE Online. Now it's one of the most tedious and annoying things I know of.

I finally decided to come back to EVE Online, but after having seen what they did to what I enjoyed the most, I'll most likely be gone for months again...

Really the only reason I see that was done was in hopes to "balance" the market or make Ice less common, but to me the prices haven't changed even the slightest, at least not for Blue Ice which I am mining.

I am entirely against this change, it's the least useful and utmost silly change I've ever seen in EVE Online History.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#384 - 2013-07-17 02:06:07 UTC
Cpt Dealman wrote:
I wholeheartedly agree with Bohoba, ice mining is one of the things I have specifically skilled for and it used to be the thing I enjoyed to do the most in EVE Online. Now it's one of the most tedious and annoying things I know of.

I finally decided to come back to EVE Online, but after having seen what they did to what I enjoyed the most, I'll most likely be gone for months again...

Really the only reason I see that was done was in hopes to "balance" the market or make Ice less common, but to me the prices haven't changed even the slightest, at least not for Blue Ice which I am mining.

I am entirely against this change, it's the least useful and utmost silly change I've ever seen in EVE Online History.

No, actually the removal of gravametric sites was more useless and silly....
El 1974
Green Visstick High
#385 - 2013-07-21 07:19:55 UTC
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
Regarding the four hour respawn time for ice anomalies there does seem to be the occasional comment saying this isn't working but I have checked the timings a few times and it is spot on.

It however works differently around downtime.
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
If there is an ice anomaly in a system before DT with ice still left in it then the same anomaly will still exist after DT.
If a system usually has an ice anomaly but it has been totally cleared before DT then the four hour rule is ignored and a ice anomaly will spawn immediately after DT with the full 2500 units.
PhatController
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#386 - 2013-08-11 07:38:31 UTC
As a casual ice miner, these changes are great. Anything that makes it harder for BOT's is a good thing.

Some of the claims in this thread are pretty ridiculous, claims of Normal ORE belts all being empty within an hour of Downtime, maybe try going more than one jump from Jita?

Also if CCP wants more people mining ice in low/null, adding ice mining capability to the venture is the way to go. As it stands, the small increase in income far outwieghs the costs/risk of taking a mining barge/orca etc into low.
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#387 - 2013-08-11 09:38:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
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" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#388 - 2013-08-11 09:48:43 UTC
PhatController wrote:
As a casual ice miner, these changes are great. Anything that makes it harder for BOT's is a good thing.

Some of the claims in this thread are pretty ridiculous, claims of Normal ORE belts all being empty within an hour of Downtime, maybe try going more than one jump from Jita?

Also if CCP wants more people mining ice in low/null, adding ice mining capability to the venture is the way to go. As it stands, the small increase in income far outwieghs the costs/risk of taking a mining barge/orca etc into low.


Depending where you are I think some ice anomalies in high sec are being cleared within an hour. But this is happening in busy areas only which are not only in the Jita area. Ice anomalies in other places can last over three hours. I think where it was busy in ice fields pre-Odyssey the resident player population has not moved and therefore those ice anomalies will be cleared very quickly. Best to relocate if you are based near those places. Smile

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#389 - 2013-08-11 11:41:47 UTC
It's been 6 weeks.

Everyone is sorted out and moved already.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Evil-Lynn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#390 - 2013-09-25 18:47:11 UTC
my opinion of this,.. hilarious!

Ice mining went from easy to impossible..
ice belt deplete after 10-20 mins.. i don't even reach to get full load in my Retriver.
Only place viable for mining ice now is 0.0..

Is this really what you guys wanted with this change ? make skill queue for 6543634 high sec pilot's worthless ?
Aishai Motsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#391 - 2013-09-25 21:00:21 UTC
Evil-Lynn wrote:
my opinion of this,.. hilarious!

Ice mining went from easy to impossible..
ice belt deplete after 10-20 mins.. i don't even reach to get full load in my Retriver.
Only place viable for mining ice now is 0.0..

Is this really what you guys wanted with this change ? make skill queue for 6543634 high sec pilot's worthless ?



That is perhaps for some busy systems but definatly not for all. Where I "live" the ice belt i up for usually 6-8 hours, and sometimes longer. Maybe you should move some place where there is less competition?
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
#392 - 2013-10-07 22:17:01 UTC
If you want all the ice you can mine then move to null sec. There are tons of spawns that no one touches. If you are going to run a Mack or two it is easy to dock up if unfriendlies show up. Of course, if you are going to run a tard mining fleet of 14 Macks, 2 Orcas and a Freighter it may not be the place for you.
Alice Loreley
Citadel Technologies Unit
#393 - 2013-10-08 21:44:49 UTC
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:
If you want all the ice you can mine then move to null sec. There are tons of spawns that no one touches. If you are going to run a Mack or two it is easy to dock up if unfriendlies show up. Of course, if you are going to run a tard mining fleet of 14 Macks, 2 Orcas and a Freighter it may not be the place for you.


Why i must move to nullsec and become a slave of any alliance? The most absurd decision of CCP is to cut imperial ice off. Do you really think it will help somewhere against the bots? Just spend one day to learn the real situation - bot feels no difference how to work - without any break or with 4 hours delay before the ice anomaly spawns again. And a human player feel this difference, because now he must not only wait for anomaly spawn, but mine it in a rigid competition with bots.
In the terms of gamedesign this is an epic fail.

EVE Online: Black Hole. Coming really soon.

And... Oh, yeah, small secret - Drifters are Talocan.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#394 - 2013-10-08 23:56:36 UTC
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:


Regarding clearance time per ice anomaly it does vary greatly depending on area and racial type. I imagine Caldari high sec is probably the fastest cleared given that Caldari towers are most popular for the extra CPU in high sec. But I regularly see anomalies lasting over two hours and its not uncommon to see them lasting well over three hours.



Indeed, this is happening on a regular basis in some Hi Sec Caldari systems these days. I imagine it's a similar trend in other regions with various ice types.

The ice is there.

The miners, during "peak periods" no less,... not so much.

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
P3po
Perkone
Caldari State
#395 - 2013-10-09 08:13:36 UTC
Alice Loreley wrote:
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:
If you want all the ice you can mine then move to null sec. There are tons of spawns that no one touches. If you are going to run a Mack or two it is easy to dock up if unfriendlies show up. Of course, if you are going to run a tard mining fleet of 14 Macks, 2 Orcas and a Freighter it may not be the place for you.


Why i must move to nullsec and become a slave of any alliance? The most absurd decision of CCP is to cut imperial ice off. Do you really think it will help somewhere against the bots? Just spend one day to learn the real situation - bot feels no difference how to work - without any break or with 4 hours delay before the ice anomaly spawns again. And a human player feel this difference, because now he must not only wait for anomaly spawn, but mine it in a rigid competition with bots.
In the terms of gamedesign this is an epic fail.


I love people who comment on moving to 0.0 without any experience.

Your "slavery" to 0.0 alliance consist of paying 1B per month, and you have your own system and you can do whatever you want. And if you are serious miner, you can mine that in a day or two :D

Oh, how horrible they are !
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#396 - 2013-10-09 11:32:18 UTC
When necro-ing a necro thread, it's polite to open a window first to get some air in at least.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Velicitia
XS Tech
#397 - 2013-10-09 12:08:36 UTC
P3po wrote:
Alice Loreley wrote:
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:
If you want all the ice you can mine then move to null sec. There are tons of spawns that no one touches. If you are going to run a Mack or two it is easy to dock up if unfriendlies show up. Of course, if you are going to run a tard mining fleet of 14 Macks, 2 Orcas and a Freighter it may not be the place for you.


Why i must move to nullsec and become a slave of any alliance? The most absurd decision of CCP is to cut imperial ice off. Do you really think it will help somewhere against the bots? Just spend one day to learn the real situation - bot feels no difference how to work - without any break or with 4 hours delay before the ice anomaly spawns again. And a human player feel this difference, because now he must not only wait for anomaly spawn, but mine it in a rigid competition with bots.
In the terms of gamedesign this is an epic fail.


I love people who comment on moving to 0.0 without any experience.

Your "slavery" to 0.0 alliance consist of paying 1B per month, and you have your own system and you can do whatever you want. And if you are serious miner, you can mine that in a day or two :D

Oh, how horrible they are !


Or, being part of the (admittedly small) industrial wing of the bigger alliances ...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#398 - 2013-10-13 13:10:34 UTC
Three "White Glaze" ice anoms in Osmon this morning (right after DT) ... how's that for ice mining goodness ? Roll

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