Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It would be nice if you could fit Leadership/Wing Commander/Fleet Commander in the Mastery levels or at least in some Certificate.

The mastering of the certificates is one thing, but it can't be simply mapped to the ships, because of the different requirements for the ships.
When I look on some ships, I am mastery of 2, but I am at mastery 4/5 due to the not used/never needed skills in this ship (like sensor compensation, Adv.Target Management or Micro Jump Drive). This make the Mastery level on the ships useless.


1) Rigging (it makes no sense to have this for ships, which is not possible to rig). Funny for a shuttle or a rookie ship. But is correct to have it on level 5 for mastering the ship.

2) Skills, which are not usable are in the certificates (example Micro Jump Drive, which is not fitable on all ships). Ok for mastering the certificates, but only for some ships needed to master.

3) Targetting with all 'sensor compensation" skills are mapped to all ships. For mastering a caldari ship, only gravimetric is needed for mastering.

4) Why do I need "Advanced Target Management Level V" on any Frigate/Cruiser/BC/BS ? It must be adapted for each ship, instead of one global certificate. None of these ships can have more than 10 targets.

5) The Jump Drive is only in the Capital Navigation, but there are also some Battleships/Freighters ... skill is needed for mastering a widow.


The new certificate system is in much cases very "high level" for mapping to the required ship types.
It should be possible to be a master in Navigation-Frigate, but not in all other Navigation certificates.
Please re-think, which skills are usable for each ship/ship type. (as you have done it in Drones/Gunnery)


We need to have more steps in your certification tree, like for example:
- Navigation certificate ... consists of Navigation-Shuttle / Navigation-Frigate / Navigation-Cruiser / etc. certificates
- Targetting ... consists of Targetting-Caldari / Targetting-Amarr / etc. (to get the correct sensor Compensation) and Targetting-Frigate / Targetting-Cruiser / etc. (to get the max. possible targetting count)
- Small projectile turret certificate ... consists of Small short range proj.turret / Small long range proj.turret certifcate
- Manufacturing ... Big ships, Small ships, Projectile, Hybrid, Missiles, Tech3, etc.
- etc.

Then it will be possible to map the required certificates to the ships. It was partially done in the Gunnery/Missile certificates. There is also not just one 'Projectile Turret' or one 'Drone' certificate! But there is one wrong global 'Navigation' or 'Targetting' certificate.

Had a thought.

Why not introduce Ship Mastery levels:

T1 and Navy Hulls:
Racial Frigate Mastery - would include racial sensor compensation, Targeting without Adv Targeting Mgmt, Nav without MJD and each Mastery level would reflect one level of ship skill.
Racial Destroyer Mastery - as above
Racial Cruiser Mastery - as above
Racial Battlecruiser - as above
Racial Battleship - as above but would include MJD in the Navigation section

T2 Hulls:
Interdictors - would include Graviton Physics IV and one level of ship skill
Interceptors - one level of ship skill
Assault Ships - one level of ship skill
Covert Ops - would include Cloaking V and Jump Portal Generation at Mastery V
Stealth Bomber - would include Bomb Deployment
etc etc etc
Logistics - would include Adv Targeting Mgmt III
HICS - would include Graviton Physics IV and V at Mastery V
Black Ops - would include Cloaking V and Jump Portal Generation
Marauders - would include Adv Targeting Mgmt III and High Energy Physics - at whatever the maximum level that actually affects the Bastion mod is, i.e. don't say V unless/until there's a t2 module that requires that or the level actually affects performance.

T3 Hulls:
Racial Strat Cruiser - each Mastery level would reflect one level of each racial subsystem and one level of racial sensor comp.

Pirate Faction Hulls:
Pirate Faction Frigate - appropriate racial sensor compensation and one level of BOTH racial ship skills
Pirate Faction Cruiser - as above
Pirate Faction Battleship - as above and including MJD

This way you could slot in the role specific skills that only affect certain hull types (and remove them from general Masteries - MJD would come out of Nav and Adv Targeting Mgmt would come out of Targeting for example). Thus each hull mastery would get extra mastery types - one racial (and one role specific for T2 hulls) - and Mastery V of a ship would mean truly MAXED out role-appropriate skills - so max ship bonuses and mod skills. I know some of the specialised skills are in the ship skill requirements but this way there's no ambiguity about what Mastery V actually means - it's visibly right there in one comprehensive list, reflecting everything.

Would that work?

Edit: I'd also remove warfare links from T1 BC Mastery altogether. Boosting isn't the primary role of the T1 hull - combat is. Leave those for Command Ships. If you have the skills it's a bonus. Try to stick to role specific stuff.

I don't know if someone already post this, but its important alliances and corporations to be allowed to create 1 personalized ship certificate (for each ship) and if it exists and its publish every pilot of that corporation and alliance should see these certificates.

The idea is for the pilot to open the master tab - see subtabs I, II, III, IV, V and then a subtab C (corp) and A (Alliance) if these certificates exist.

Most of the times corps and alliances post ship doctrines followed by the minimal skills a pilot must train to use these ships and be reimbursed, it would be awesome if this personalized ship certificate feature could be implemented and released with the certificates review.

Elite requirements are supposed to be extremely high-standards - as mentioned before, elite means you've mastered all possible skills affecting the hull you're looking at, no matter the relevance. Certificates help newbies through the lower levels - Elite is meant for veteran unlock and bragging.

Now we have those rare cases that are open to discussion and this is my opinion:

RIGS in certificates:

Looking at the targeting we see it only demand electronic rigs at level I starting at level III, then at IV demands rigs at level IV and V of course level V, I want to propose a middle ground that makes much more sense: Master Targetting IV should only request electronic rig at III because it makes more sense I ... III ... V than I ... IV ... V ----- the same rule should apply to all other certificated that demand rigs.

Warfare Links in Certificates:

Any ship not a command ship should only request basic warfare links from mastery 4 or 5 and only demand at 4 warfare links with specialist at level I, and V with specialist at level II


Armor resistance phasing in the armor tanking certificate

the same as I described in the rigs, It should not go from 1 to 4 to 5 but starting at mastery 3, but from 1 to 3 to 5, it makes more sense.

Usually, level4 certificates allows the user to use tech2 items. And you need rig skill level at 4 to be able to tech2 rigs. Yes, we do realize tech2 rigs may not be super common but we wanted to keep a consistent system going there.

I understand your point, but lets be realistic here, do we want a system close to the real word that have use and people will identify with it and make sense in players heads or you are build a dream, a nice to have that almost nobody will ever reach?
What do we want, players to use and identify with the skills and work with the system and try to reach and train skills to become master X and you provide them a tool that gives them real world tangible data and goals or you just point to the sky and people will just give up because it doesn't make sense in the current world where rigs t2 are extremely rare !!!!

Since rigs t2 are basically only used in high end ships like supers or very expensive ships like pirate ships and normally by people that can fly them with mastery 5, basically, why not do the following change:

leave it at RIG x level I for mastery 3, level III for mastery 4 and level IV for mastery 5, forget the RIG level V for mastery 5? Resist the V for all skills, there are always exceptions and this one fits the use case, do something that people fell its realistic and not something that has nothing to do with the current world of EVE we play on. One day if t2 rigs are balanced out, materials are balanced out, prices come down and they become a "thing" you can always review the certificates, until then be realistic so people can identify themselves with this new certificate system and use it.

- missing a certificate for Dreads that demand they use a siege module
- sensor compensation for any dread doesn't make no sense, this ships only should work/fire in siege and when that happens they are immune


JF capital navigation asking for any type of RIGS, you are kidding right? lol

Jump drive calibration for all capital ships its a must have, specially for carriers since they need it to be able to fly them at level III so for these ships you have to request level 3 at mastery I. the same applies to Jump fuel conservation in carriers, you need it at IV at mastery I or you not even fly the carrier!

capital capacity emission is a certificate that any carrier or super carrier pilot should master from mastery level 3 up not only the ships that give bonus for it, like the chimera, those ones you need it from mastery level 1 up correct, but the others should demand it from mastery level 3 at least.

JF also need a certificate that shows the capacitor skills... is import because you need cap to jump.

bridge and doomsday skills for titans missing from certificates...


marauder new bastion skill missing

interditors need a different tacking certificate that includes the bubbles. the same applies to the heavy dictors

rorqual, you have bonus to scanning and can use clone vats, you can deploy the industrial module and you can fit capital tractor beams, but no certificates that cover those areas are present.

Also i shouldn't require the ewar drone skill at a high level for frigates!









Even though for some bizare reason its highly useful bonus works on all drones...