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How do you defend against this?

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Espae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-10-09 04:30:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Espae
Killboard slaughter

This killboard is the result of single T3 ship that roams around the region, enters a system, warps directly to the large asteroid cluster or high-end anomoly, uncloaks, points you and cynos in overwhelming numbers against you.

The only answer I can find to this is: dock up and go back to high sec. (i.e. clone jump to earn ISK in PVE)

Edit: To clarify the "go back to high sec" part.
Quibblin
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-10-09 04:48:02 UTC
Bait the bastard, have a fleet ready on your side and pop a cyno when he does lol, epic fun :)
Austneal
Nero Fazione
#3 - 2013-10-09 05:24:17 UTC
Espae wrote:

The only answer I can find to this is: dock up and go back to high sec.

"Someone is attacking me, my only option is to give up"

Yeah, If that's how think, hisec PvE might a better option for you... Or maybe WoW.

You could also try fighting back: Counter hot drop. Or if you cant get enough people in caps, maybe get a bunch of people in tornados and alpha him before the reinforcements arrive.

Sitting there and dying to him over and over seems a bit dumb
Espae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-10-09 05:37:21 UTC
Your own alliance, Volition Cult, has 10 losses against these guys just this month.

You've lost two Navy Ravens, a Nightmare, and a Navy Apoc in the last 4 days alone.

Why don't you fight back?
Austneal
Nero Fazione
#5 - 2013-10-09 05:47:38 UTC
I haven't lost a single ship in the last four days, thanks. I'm not the one they're bothering. Even if the alliance I'm in has lost ships to them, i don't see any of them whining on the forums about it
Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-10-09 06:31:02 UTC
How to defend against that is damned easy.

Step 1: Move into a wormhole.
Step 2: We kill you instead
Step 3: We pod you.
Step 4: You don't leave high sec again.
Step 5(optional): create another rage thread in forums so we can smile.

Getting butt hurt is part of the experience. I suggest next time you bring lube with you to help ease the hurt.

---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#7 - 2013-10-09 06:33:52 UTC
I would unsubscribe if I were you. Only way to survive in this game.
Espae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-10-09 06:49:54 UTC
I love how anytime someone doesn't agree with something, it's "whining". Roll

Also, I'm not going to unsubscribe or "go back to WoW". I've been playing this game for almost 8 years now, and don't intend to stop because I'm "butt hurt", which I'm not.

I was asking a legitimate question, because I really don't know the answer. Apparently the 200+ to 1 kill ratio means there are a hell of a lot of other pilots that are wondering the same thing.

It just seems like there should be some counter to this other than "have your own mini-blob on standby".

Problem with that for me, personally, is that I'm in a smaller alliance, and I play opposite from all of the real active PvP fleets. I'm at work or sleeping when they're active. That would also mean having people just sitting around waiting nearby for hours, hoping that these guys will happen to show up that night.

The new cyno jammer thing seems like it would be a good counter, but it doesn't work on cov ops cynos, which is what these guys use.
Austneal
Nero Fazione
#9 - 2013-10-09 10:14:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Austneal
Espae wrote:
I love how anytime someone doesn't agree with something, it's "whining". Roll

Your original post is a whine post. If you come onto the forums to whine, and are surprised by everyone making fun of you, then you're just as much of a newbie as you were 8 years ago.

As for suggestions on dealing with this... Have you tried not mining / ratting when he's in system?
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#10 - 2013-10-09 14:23:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
Stay alinged. When you see a ship drop in, but before it lands or it's decloak timer is up, hit warp. Do not respond to local chat or engage in any other activity that the T3 pilot might enjoy. Become frustratingly hard to catch and impossible to extract tears from, make it a terribly boring chore to catch you and he will give up. Or yeah just dock up, it's what everybody else does.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-10-09 14:35:00 UTC
If it's a single TIII ship, why don't you warp off the moment he enters local?

(Oh wait, that would require paying attention to the game.)
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#12 - 2013-10-09 14:36:21 UTC
Espae wrote:
Killboard slaughter

This killboard is the result of single T3 ship that roams around the region, enters a system, warps directly to the large asteroid cluster or high-end anomoly, uncloaks, points you and cynos in overwhelming numbers against you.

The only answer I can find to this is: dock up and go back to high sec.


You could do something completely outside of the box like learning how to pvp, that might be an effective counter.

nom nom

Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#13 - 2013-10-09 14:37:07 UTC
Austneal wrote:
Espae wrote:
I love how anytime someone doesn't agree with something, it's "whining". Roll

Your original post is a whine post. If you come onto the forums to whine, and are surprised by everyone making fun of you, then you're just as much of a newbie as you were 8 years ago.

As for suggestions on dealing with this... Have you tried not mining / ratting when he's in system?


It's not a whine post. It explains what action is being taken, links to killboard, asks for a counter. No mention of unfairness, or demands for nerfs.

In response to the OP, the only counters revolve around being prepared for what is relatively predictable behavior. Namely, identify and watchlist both the cyno pilots and the black ops pilots. Watch list is a very powerful tool. Identify the cyno droppers in your intel channels. If as you say, the guy is roaming throughout the region, you should be gone/safe before he even enters system. If he afks, you can tell how dangerous he is by seeing how many of his blops buddies are online.

You can also try to bait, which is could be very hard or very easy. Just get a bunch of damage ships in fleet, a few recons/ceptors for points, and be formed up and ready to go in station while you have your bait do an anomaly in a troll-tanked ship. The big difficulty is that since you appear to be in Provi-bloc, the chances of them sniffing out the trap with a spy is VERY high, so you'll need to take precautions. If they don't suspect a trap, you'll definitely get a bite as they seem to drop anything and everything. You only need to kill one or two to declare a victory. I don't know if quad plated battleships are still in vogue, but one would certainly last long enough for the cavalry to arrive (just have excess tacklers due to widow jams). You could also try baiting with a few skiffs, but I don't know as much about this (and using a skiff might be TOO obvious). Lastly, you can have some arazus and falcons already on the field, but you don't want to uncloak these too soon.

You can also try baiting with a ratting carrier with triage carrier on standby in a pos, the big thing here is keeping them locked down. I once had a friend get a little to scared and the traige carrier arrived wayy too soon and

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-10-09 14:37:51 UTC
Espae wrote:
Problem with that for me, personally, is that I'm in a smaller alliance, and I play opposite from all of the real active PvP fleets. I'm at work or sleeping when they're active. That would also mean having people just sitting around waiting nearby for hours, hoping that these guys will happen to show up that night.

No, that just means reshipping into combat ships when they enter your space.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#15 - 2013-10-09 14:55:17 UTC
Espae wrote:

Problem with that for me, personally, is that I'm in a smaller alliance, and I play opposite from all of the real active PvP fleets. I'm at work or sleeping when they're active. That would also mean having people just sitting around waiting nearby for hours, hoping that these guys will happen to show up that night.


Watchlists mean you can predict them coming, you don't have to wait around all day if you can see they're active and the cyno ship is hunting.

If you aren't in the position to organize a counter drop, then you just need to get better at dodging these guys.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-10-09 15:56:16 UTC
Austneal wrote:
Espae wrote:
I love how anytime someone doesn't agree with something, it's "whining". Roll

Your original post is a whine post. If you come onto the forums to whine, and are surprised by everyone making fun of you, then you're just as much of a newbie as you were 8 years ago.

As for suggestions on dealing with this... Have you tried not mining / ratting when he's in system?


Yeah, its not a whine post. Stop trying to subscribe to the "Any reply is tears" status quot. Legit post asking for help. Please remember that all pvp'ers do not have capital blob fleets on the batphone.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-10-09 15:56:56 UTC
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Espae wrote:
Killboard slaughter

This killboard is the result of single T3 ship that roams around the region, enters a system, warps directly to the large asteroid cluster or high-end anomoly, uncloaks, points you and cynos in overwhelming numbers against you.

The only answer I can find to this is: dock up and go back to high sec.


You could do something completely outside of the box like learning how to pvp, that might be an effective counter.



Please post fit/tactics on how to win a 1v20.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#18 - 2013-10-09 19:48:29 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Espae wrote:
Killboard slaughter

This killboard is the result of single T3 ship that roams around the region, enters a system, warps directly to the large asteroid cluster or high-end anomoly, uncloaks, points you and cynos in overwhelming numbers against you.

The only answer I can find to this is: dock up and go back to high sec.


You could do something completely outside of the box like learning how to pvp, that might be an effective counter.



Please post fit/tactics on how to win a 1v20.

Fight. Win/Lose. Laugh regardless.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

greg01
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#19 - 2013-10-09 20:42:00 UTC
If you have been playing Eve for 8 years and your only answer is to go back to high sec in order to sort this issue out then please do.

You really should know how to counter this T3 pilot without making it common knowledge on forums.
Espae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-10-09 22:20:25 UTC
Wow, I was kind of dreading coming back to this thread today, but a few of you made it worthwhile. So, thank you for that.

I hadn't thought of the watch list, that's a great idea. Seems obvious too now that you've mentioned it. My big worry with baiting them was not having any idea what was on the other side of the cyno, but since they do seem to use the same small group of players, that seems like a very good idea.

Thanks for the advice!

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