EVE General Discussion

Either you are trolling, or seriously don't understand the basic difference between a harsh game and a fair one. EVE is designed to be fair, actually it's one of the most fair games there is, and that's at it's very core. But what I mean by fair is by knowing the mechanics, you can ALWAYS be assured that things will operate the same way, and that the mechanics don't change per side. EVE is fair in that your 1600 plates won't magically increase to 20 K EHP if you are a goon, and your 425mm autocannons won't become peashooters if you are in some random Russian alliance.

This does NOT mean that EVE is not harsh; At it's core EVE is designed to be very unforgiving, very harsh. But harsh and difficult does not mean unfair. If a game is truly unfair, people will quit playing it. An unfair game for example would be one where mechanics are in place to produce ships, but then devs come in and give a particular easier method to a specific group and not the whole game. Another good example is giving out previously limited edition and no longer existing ships to specific group claiming it to be a community gift while many other groups were not given anything at all. For this kind of gifting / recognition system to be fair, it would need to be concrete and achievable by any group if they met the goals. For example, to reach a certain status and receive a gift, a community site must be active for X number of years, and have X popularity, and other attributes that can give a guideline instead of abstract "I like you" reasoning for gifting.

The fallout from MMO explosions isn't normally as bad as a nuclear meltdown in terms of lives lost and environmental destruction.

I agree with you though that I doubt CCP will have a satisfactory response to this but I'm looking forward to it, whatever it may be.

I don't think you fully read my post, but this seems to be a common trend among the delusional sheep-like CCP supporters. Listen, they as individuals are allowed such vacation, but for the company as a whole to allow so many of it's employees to leave at once is NOT the same as individual rights. Take for example a skeleton crew that has to maintain a facility 24/7. The small crew has only a little overlap, and if someone wants to vacation they can, but it requires enough notification ahead of time to get another member of the team to work extra time and cover that person's shift. Now naturally with a 6 member team, you could not have 3, or maybe even just 2 leaving at the same time since that would be stretching your resources far too thin to the point of being impossible. This scales to larger organizations too, you just need to compensate for more overlap. The more employees and more overlap, the more the company can afford to let a larger portion be out at the same time. This is what I was arguing, not the individual rights for vacation but rather the choice for CCP to allow so many of it's employees to take leave AT THE SAME TIME.

Actually, I did read your post. Both of them. Please don't make the assumption that because I am not agreeing with you, I must not have heard you.

You'll find that many companies see a large portion of their workforce take seasonal vacations, commonly related to seasonal holidays in whatever location they are. For example, in the United States November and December are fairly common months where large portions of the workforce take their yearly vacation time "AT THE SAME TIME" as you so eloquently put it.

To add, CCP was not operating on a skeleton crew. Half is not a skeleton crew. Furthermore, most of the people taking their vacation time have nothing to do with this situation, unless you feel the need to scream and spit at the Art department, or the network engineers, or the ship balancing team, or the guy who's been attempting to program a mystery feature that you might absolutely adore down the road.

What I believe you're trying to get across is that you're upset the community managers were taking their vacation time while there are angry posts being made on the forums. Please excuse me, but I find that idea laughably selfish. When isn't there some sort of scandal or outrage coming from this community and directed at CCP?

CCP Manifest has already apologized for his lack of response in the first post of this thread. He is the one who, if anybody at all, owes you and the rest of the players any form of apology for not stepping up in a timely manner. Nobody else does. Nobody else needs to explain their vacation policies and justify them to you.

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I'd like you to take a moment and step into the shoes of a CCP employee, or any employee for that matter. Imagine you've worked very hard for the last year, and you're enjoying the hot springs of a ski resort with your loving wife and two beautiful children. You get a text message on your phone as you crack open a fresh beer, and it says:

"Need you to come back to the office ASAP. Some customers are really pissed off that they didn't get free stuff.

-Boss"

This is one of my favourite things about CCP.

Why is nothing much happening right now?

Because the staff are just going on, are on, or are just returning from holiday.

It just brings a smile to my face every time I see it.

*tinfoil hat on*

Is it accidental that some random person who knows a polemic secret decides to unveil it right when the affected party is less able to deal with it in a timely manner?

*tinfoil hat off*

This adressed, will be waiting for CCP's response. Upsetting Chribba should be a serious sign of a communitty PR disaster, even if we don't judge about giving money to the wealthiest business in EVE, which happens to be taking lots of money from EVE players, and do it secretly and in a large scale.

On a trip?

CCP Manifest not all staff would have been on holiday and tbh I have sat here watching the forums explode regarding the Somer gate issue and not one CCP rep has even replied.

There was a downtime issue and a CCP Dev posted a note regarding this but they couldnt be bothered to calm the chars down by posting a note regarding SOMER

Jeeze even having mintchip say somthing may have prevented alot of threads exploding into mayhem. (well maybe)

After all these years you still dont seem to have a strategic policy to counter problems like this when this happens.

In the time this started to when you have replied you may have lost a few chars and tbh thats not good for business.

I presume the ISD's could not help in this situation. Even logging in STAR and CCP customer service into the game at key station may have help.

Its not all about money,

Good morning.

I hope you had a good vacation time.

Here are a few points, you could see as an Agenda for the next days:

• immedatly stop gifting ingame items
• unfold what and how many items you gave to whom and why
• introduce new outgame or untradebale reward items for your reward program
• work on a new policy for your reward program
• publish this policy which is hopefully clear, fair and understandable for everyone
• resume your reward program
• improve your capabillity to react even in such worst cases like this

Thanks a lot for reading.

EVE isn't popular for being unfair. That's because it isn't unfair. There's no reason it should be made unfair.

"If you don't like it, leave" presents a false dichotomy.

Wait what even happened here :s

Have loads of these scorps been added to the game and everyone is going really mad? Seems I should have sold mine sooner after fanfest!