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[Rubicon] Command Ship Models

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Senn Denroth
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#461 - 2013-10-09 01:58:01 UTC
If the changes were not just a skin it might make more sense, but if it's just a skin change it really doesn't make sense at all; slots, PG/CPU, attributes will not match up based on their T1 hulls.

Fozie, you are going to cop rage either way you go. I suggest you keep it consistent either way by changing the attributes with the skin etc.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#462 - 2013-10-09 02:04:48 UTC
Senn Denroth wrote:
If the changes were not just a skin it might make more sense, but if it's just a skin change it really doesn't make sense at all; slots, PG/CPU, attributes will not match up based on their T1 hulls.

Fozie, you are going to cop rage either way you go. I suggest you keep it consistent either way by changing the attributes with the skin etc.

The slot counts and fittings don't match as is. Furthermore the weapons are definitively out of sync since both the combat BC and command ship changes, but that is at least being corrected. Also if I can fly an abso again without feeling like I'm flying a fat chicken I'll be happy.
Aian Genkotsu
Reaper Fleet
#463 - 2013-10-09 02:55:50 UTC
This has probably been mentioned in the 20 pages of this post I didn't get through, if so I'll throw my vote behind it.

Aside from whether the base models should be changed, I'd really like to see some kind of unique change to the model to distinguish command ships. I started playing again a few months ago after a 2 year break and the best surprise was the sick new look of my Manticore.

Unfortunately I'm not creative enough to think of a good way to distinguish the command ship hulls.
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#464 - 2013-10-09 03:45:14 UTC
New Eos does not have wibbly chin, new Eos is fail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o2X5SGF4j4
Doctor'X
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#465 - 2013-10-09 03:52:47 UTC
New CCP employees trying to make their mark. This really is a weak change.

Looking at the "new" Sleipnir on Sisi now. Boundless Creation paint job is just MEH... didnt look good on the Cyclone hull, looks worse on a hurricane. Flex your imagination muscles, THEN make a change.

R.I.P. ICONIC Sleipnir

P.S. That ship would look great in a desert somewhere. You'd hardly see it at all.
NFain
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#466 - 2013-10-09 05:29:59 UTC  |  Edited by: NFain
Just seeing this thread still is making me want to throw up. I still don't understand the reasoning behind changing the single most ICONIC ships in eve, not only for what they can do but also for their looks. Please keep them the way they are until they get an official re-skin, if you want combat commands into assault battle cruiser hulls.. make another t2 battle cruiser to fill that roll.

The command ships are beautiful and have been FITTED and MOLDED into the hulls they have now. They don't belong in tier 2 hulls.
Cassius Invictus
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#467 - 2013-10-09 05:41:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Cassius Invictus
Ok guys we will not agree on this topic as this depends purely on personal taste.

But when I skill like 3-4 months to fly an Absolution and then I clearly like the ship for what it is. This change is like a slap in the face from CCP that sais: you spent few months skilling for a ship you like? Ok so now we will change it to something you don't like.

It's not even that Harbi hull is that bad (who does not like a big, red, space dildo) it's just it is not what I skilled for...

Bringing new models, like with bombers and apoc, would be the best solution, but they would have to be designed by guys who made SoE ships and not the guy who made Golem...
Aesheera
Doomheim
#468 - 2013-10-09 05:42:40 UTC
Iam Widdershins wrote:
Ignore haters, these changes are great.

Almost as great as if you actually made more ship models for them.

This isnt hate.

I - and I am sure others - are all for T2 versions of the other BC hulls.
Just dont slap them on Commandships.

- I think my passion is misinterpreted as anger sometimes. And I don't think people are ready for the message that I'm delivering, and delivering with a sense of violent love.
Logicycle
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#469 - 2013-10-09 05:50:33 UTC
These new models should be for entirely new ships. They should go with a new tier 3 inventable Command ship, or an additional version of faction Battlecruisers. Simply slapping a new model on vintage Command Ship attributes is not a change with any substance.

I oppose this skin deep change that doesn't really do much.

MOAR SHIPS !!!
NFain
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#470 - 2013-10-09 06:08:36 UTC
Logicycle wrote:
These new models should be for entirely new ships. They should go with a new tier 3 inventable Command ship, or an additional version of faction Battlecruisers. Simply slapping a new model on vintage Command Ship attributes is not a change with any substance.

I oppose this skin deep change that doesn't really do much.

MOAR SHIPS !!!


Aesheera wrote:
Iam Widdershins wrote:
Ignore haters, these changes are great.

Almost as great as if you actually made more ship models for them.

This isnt hate.

I - and I am sure others - are all for T2 versions of the other BC hulls.
Just dont slap them on Commandships.


Yes please. <3
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#471 - 2013-10-09 06:21:33 UTC
Aside from the fact that I don't like the swap of models, why another camo color scheme for Minmatar ships? You understand that forest green camo (aside from being aesthetically questionable) is totally pointless for a starship in space, yes? It seems pretty unimaginative and really doesn't accentuate the Hurricane model, in my opinion.

As a practical matter how are we supposed to quickly differentiate between a Fleet Hurricane and a Sleipnir? Quick visual ship identification can be important.

Reading between the lines of the final sentence of Fozzie's opening post:

CCP Fozzie wrote:
...However I truly think these new versions look amazing and that in the long run this is a change that people will look back on as an obvious positive.


it appears that this change is happening regardless of player opinion so, I'm not sure what the point is in asking for feedback.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Blueprint Seller
Bring Me Sunshine
#472 - 2013-10-09 06:33:10 UTC
I think that creating a 3rd command ship for each race using the new models would have been a better choice than swapping the models on the existing command ships.

Is the cost of doing so prohibitive?
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#473 - 2013-10-09 07:04:11 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
So, if these models really must be used...

Can we at least get rid of the following on the Harbinger model for both the Harbinger and the new Absolution?

Harbinger Front Flaws

Yes, I am well aware that the upper flaw comes from the fact that 3D artists only do 1 half of the actual model and than just mirror it, but can't the do a better job at assigning and smoothening the borders?

And what is this chiloschisis at the end of the pick for?


waiting for confirmation on theses issues.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
Freyja Asynjur
Folkvangr
#474 - 2013-10-09 07:06:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Freyja Asynjur
Got an eye on the new hulls on SISI. Result?

NOPE NOPE NOPE.

The hurricane-hull Sleipnir reveals the scale of this travesty. And, actually, even the myrmified Eos looks bad.

Do. Not. Want.

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Cassius Invictus
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#475 - 2013-10-09 08:45:40 UTC
Freyja Asynjur wrote:
Got an eye on the new hulls on SISI. Result?

NOPE NOPE NOPE.

The hurricane-hull Sleipnir reveals the scale of this travesty. And, actually, even the myrmified Eos looks bad.

Do. Not. Want.


I actually like the new Sleipnir very much. But I fully understand people who don't like it.

I didn't like the old Sleipnir, so I didn't skill for it.

I did like the old Absolution so I did skill for it.

Is it that hard to get CCP? Guys this game is not only about stats - it's about fun. And those changes will ruin a lot of peoples fun...
kazaric
Dark 'N' Dragon's Mining Mayhem
#476 - 2013-10-09 11:05:06 UTC
Drake Nighthawk?
Come on! Don't do this!
Ferox Hull is imo one of the most beautiful looking hull in eve, and because of the different weapon bonuses it allows hybrid and missile players alike to enjoy this sexy hull, changing it to drake is not cool!
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#477 - 2013-10-09 11:31:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
Anabella Rella wrote:
it appears that this change is happening regardless of player opinion so, I'm not sure what the point is in asking for feedback.

Because only those who dislike this change still give two damns about this thread. It's not like a lot of people were asking for this very change for a long, long time - until CSs will get their unique hulls, that's it.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
#478 - 2013-10-09 11:36:32 UTC
Cassius Invictus wrote:
Freyja Asynjur wrote:
Got an eye on the new hulls on SISI. Result?

NOPE NOPE NOPE.

The hurricane-hull Sleipnir reveals the scale of this travesty. And, actually, even the myrmified Eos looks bad.

Do. Not. Want.


I actually like the new Sleipnir very much. But I fully understand people who don't like it.

I didn't like the old Sleipnir, so I didn't skill for it.

I did like the old Absolution so I did skill for it.

Is it that hard to get CCP? Guys this game is not only about stats - it's about fun. And those changes will ruin a lot of peoples fun...


While I do not agree with you about the new Sleip being nice I have to agree on everything else you said. If CCP would release new t2 BC's with those hulls I would be all for it. I would never fly it, but I'll support it big time for it adds more variety to the game.

But changing class which is as skill intensive as Command Ships are just for whatever cosmetic reasons that is like stabbing us in the back.

I did skill for Sleipnir and now all this is in waste, because I would not fly it with hurricane hull. I hate that hull and I never flew it. Even back then when t1 BC (well before the re-balance) was the best thing I can fly. I chose Cyclone over 'cane and did not mind it was inferior ... 'cause when I fly a ship I want to like what I'm looking at.

Now even if I find another CS to fly from the pool, I would need to spend a lot of time again to train all the support skills that go with it... Such waste... It makes me incredibly sad. I actually do not want to log to the game atm... You took all the fun out of it...
I guess I will overcome this eventually but it will never be the same.

Also 7.5% bonus to Shield Boost amount is bonus from Cyclone so there goes consistency...

(my personal opinion is that most of the positive feedback is from ppl who finally get t2 variants of their favorite hull. Something that should be done with new ship class, not by ruining CS as they are now)

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -  Arthur C. Clarke
Hell Bitch
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#479 - 2013-10-09 11:57:32 UTC
The changes feel kind of arbitrary.

We have T1 drake, navy drake and soon Nighthawk drake
We have T1 Hurricane, navy hurricane and soon sleipnir hurricane
so on and so on....

Can we not have vulture use the drake hull, claymore use the hurricane hull.

Both these hulls already have 2 variants using the same weapon system, and now we get another with go faster stripes. Why can't the drake use rails and be a Vulture, why can't the hurricane use launchers and become a Claymore.

These changes just give us more of the same.

I think a core complexion hurricane would look sick, way better than space desert camo. Might even be as cool as the original DX8 'cane.

If this change is happening for purely cosmetic reasons then the above makes more sense, so we the end user have more options for the visual style of our ship, rather than if you want AC's you gotta be rolling in a hurricane variant.
Ozzymandias Duskwalker
Spartan Vanguard
#480 - 2013-10-09 12:15:12 UTC
David Kir wrote:
Ozzymandias Duskwalker wrote:
Harbinger model as a command ship? Hell no! That idea is bad and you should feel bad! Evil


Could you at least argue the reasons because of which the Harbinger hull can not be that of a command ship?



no.




maybe.... It's ugly?

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