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Where are all the c4's?
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Lisa Ikura
Hull Breach.
#1 - 2013-10-09 00:56:57 UTC
Right, ill be the first to admit that i only very recently started to care about wh space, but ive been more and more facinated by the idea of living there.

So 3-4 days ago i desided i should find myself my own personal c4 (will have a few friends move in as well). But, ive been probing around like crazy, and ive found tons of c5's, c3's and the c1's and 2's but not a single c4. Is this normal or just extremly bad luck?
Jivlain Pollard
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#2 - 2013-10-09 01:22:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jivlain Pollard
Pretty much. C4s have the marvellous attribute of mostly being connected to other C4s, and not much else. Once you find your first C4 though, you're set.

If you're starting from k-space, there's your problem right there, they basically don't connect to k-space. Try poking around C2s or C5s - including jumping into connecting C2s or C5s - as many of them have C4 statics. You might also find a K162 to a C4 in a C3 system.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#3 - 2013-10-09 01:54:29 UTC
Yeah as above C4 are 1 level disconnected from k-space at the very least (hence a good part of why some people love them and others hate them) your best bet for finding a good? C4 is to find another WH with a C4 static and check out the static daily (or move in temp and crash the static to find one you want).
Marsan
#4 - 2013-10-09 01:54:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsan
There are no direct connection from HS/LS/NS to C4s. What you want to do is find a wormhole system with a C4 static. I'd scan the C2s you are finding. They always have a static connection to k-space and a wormhole system, and scan any connecting C2s as well.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
#5 - 2013-10-09 04:22:46 UTC
Stay out of C4 space. It's getting ******* crowded in here.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-10-09 04:56:42 UTC
Evangelina Nolen wrote:
Stay out of C4 space. It's getting ******* crowded in here.



Nah, still mostly ghost towns. Seems a lot more C2/C4's active lately though
Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-10-09 05:52:20 UTC
Evangelina Nolen wrote:
Stay out of C4 space. It's getting ******* crowded in here.



If by crowded you mean all the Russians that were living in C4/C3 space mysteriously disappeared and have been partially replaced by US TZ and Western EU, sure. C4s with any static other than C2s/C3s are still wide open in most cases.

Svo.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#8 - 2013-10-10 18:49:23 UTC
Evangelina Nolen wrote:
Stay out of C4 space. It's getting ******* crowded in here.


As someone who moved to a C4 -> C4 from a C2 -> HS/C3, it's quite as ****. Rarely get fights from our static, usually comes from either C2/C3 or a C5 down the chain. There're a few notable corps in C4 space, but we haven't yet had the pleasure of running into any of them.

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#9 - 2013-10-11 14:01:26 UTC
C4 connection directly to K-space never occurs. If you dont want to purchase one you should find some C2 with C4 static and roll static till you find empty C4.

Due to this fact C4s are very calm and peacefull place to be in eve. You should definitely learn more about wormhole types and static hole mechanics. It is essential knowledge for survival in w-space. With it you can bend w-space to your will. :D
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
#10 - 2013-10-11 16:01:36 UTC
Oska Rus wrote:
Due to this fact C4s are very calm and peacefull place to be in eve. With it you can bend w-space to your will. :D


AFK mining in C4's like a boss. Bear Only to later discard the ore/minerals since doing anything with it is too much hassle. Oops
Tarmaniel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-10-11 23:08:16 UTC
Oska Rus wrote:
C4 connection directly to K-space never occurs. If you dont want to purchase one you should find some C2 with C4 static and roll static till you find empty C4.

Due to this fact C4s are very calm and peacefull place to be in eve. You should definitely learn more about wormhole types and static hole mechanics. It is essential knowledge for survival in w-space. With it you can bend w-space to your will. :D


Yes it does. There are no statics to K-space but wandering holes will open from C4s to k-space, you can even find them in high sec.
Cheesy Feet
The Hells Bells Club
#12 - 2013-10-12 00:06:24 UTC
Tarmaniel wrote:
Yes it does. There are no statics to K-space but wandering holes will open from C4s to k-space, you can even find them in high sec.

Sorry but you don't know what you're talking about, if those WH exist, then I don't know anyone who has ever seen one and I've had toons in WH's since 2010.

Wandering C4/HS holes have been talked about before on EVE forums, one such thread is here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246333
Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#13 - 2013-10-12 00:19:07 UTC
K space connections do not exist the only hole that was supposed to exist to connect to k space had a mass regeneration timer on it and they decided to not include mass regen in the mechanics for wormhole space there was whispers of a null/low sec that could fit a super that was scrapped as well (hearsay) but yeah you're best bet is to find a c2 with a c4 static and roll the hole till you find what you like

"Wormhole corps are like a bunch of homeschooled kids"
Tarmaniel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-10-12 01:32:02 UTC
Cheesy Feet wrote:
Tarmaniel wrote:
Yes it does. There are no statics to K-space but wandering holes will open from C4s to k-space, you can even find them in high sec.

Sorry but you don't know what you're talking about, if those WH exist, then I don't know anyone who has ever seen one and I've had toons in WH's since 2010.

Wandering C4/HS holes have been talked about before on EVE forums, one such thread is here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246333


I have personally scanned down a "this leads to dangerous unknown parts of space" wormhole in high sec. I did not enter it but "dangerous unknown" is C4, right?
Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#15 - 2013-10-12 01:46:35 UTC
C4/c5 is dangerous c 6 is deadly the yellow orange ones are c4 the orange and black are c5

"Wormhole corps are like a bunch of homeschooled kids"
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#16 - 2013-10-12 03:22:06 UTC
Lol. You poor K-spacer.

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
#17 - 2013-10-12 16:32:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Evangelina Nolen
Tul Breetai wrote:
Lol. You poor K-spacer.


Shhhhhh, no more telling about WH isk. It's already bad enough that CCP knows that 5% of game pop makes more than 20% of the isk generated.

That's not even counting the T3 production lines.
Ilaister
Binary Aesthetics
#18 - 2013-10-12 19:07:29 UTC
Evangelina Nolen wrote:
Tul Breetai wrote:
Lol. You poor K-spacer.


Shhhhhh, no more telling about WH isk. It's already bad enough that CCP knows that 5% of game pop makes more than 20% of the isk generated.
.


Have you been watching ribbon prices for the past year?
Ilaister
Binary Aesthetics
#19 - 2013-10-12 19:09:16 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
Evangelina Nolen wrote:
Stay out of C4 space. It's getting ******* crowded in here.


As someone who moved to a C4 -> C4 from a C2 -> HS/C3, it's quite as ****. Rarely get fights from our static, usually comes from either C2/C3 or a C5 down the chain. There're a few notable corps in C4 space, but we haven't yet had the pleasure of running into any of them.


The OP here from Lead Farmers has the right of it.

We quit our C4-C4 less than three months after moving in. When we got pew, it was decent, but it was far too infrequent.

.. plus, the chains... my god I still have nightmares about those chains.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#20 - 2013-10-12 21:56:52 UTC
Tarmaniel wrote:

I have personally scanned down a "this leads to dangerous unknown parts of space" wormhole in high sec. I did not enter it but "dangerous unknown" is C4, right?


C5s are also dangerous unknown and will likely be what you've seen.

Dmitry Wizard wrote:
K space connections do not exist the only hole that was supposed to exist to connect to k space had a mass regeneration timer on it and they decided to not include mass regen in the mechanics for wormhole space there was whispers of a null/low sec that could fit a super that was scrapped as well (hearsay) but yeah you're best bet is to find a c2 with a c4 static and roll the hole till you find what you like


AFAIK mass regen doesn't work on any live WH - I made the mistake before that the mass regen WHs weren't live in the game due to being told that but its just the mass regen aspect that isn't working aside from O128 all the others exist as per the linked thread they just don't regen mass as far as anyone knows.

O128s are a bit of an interesting case - even assuming they do exist in game all information points to there being a very low number of them (upto 5 max) which would be spread out over 1200+ systems and the k162 side would only exist once someone had scanned them down and initiated warp to them and theres over 500 C4 systems the k162 side would spawn in. On top of that other than being collapsed they last 24 hours so even if they did exist ingame you very literally could live in a C4 scanning 24x7 for years before spotting one.

So for any useful intents and purposes theres no real direct link between C4 space and k-space.
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