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[PIE Inc] Regarding those who question the Empress

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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#1 - 2013-10-08 18:57:41 UTC
Surround yourself with the faithful, Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens.


It has come to my attention in monitoring the communications here that it seems to be something of a fad for capsuleers to demean the God Appointed Empress Jamyl I. I cannot understand what would lead an Amarrian to such heresy as to question the legitimate Empress as confirmed by the Theology Council and Heirs. It represents a total failure of the test of faith and a betrayal of all that is holy and right in the universe.

In response, PIE Inc. will be compiling a list of all those who question the Empress. Those who are put on this list will be considered traitors to Amarr by PIE inc and will be treated as such. This list will also be sent to the MIO, so that proper legal proceedings can be brought against those who have damned themselves with their words against the Holy Empress.

I would ask that those who are still loyal to God and Amarr keep an eye out for those who would dare blaspheme Empress Jamyl and that they would contact me if they see any treacherous words.

By his light and his will we will do whatever it takes to excise this horrid cancer.

The angelic Apostles of Heaven sing praises for their children!
Our Lord smiles upon the world.
Where the Emperor rules in his name
Leading his people to glory untold.
Hearken the trumpets of Heaven
Hailing the people of Amarr!

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family
Anslo
Scope Works
#2 - 2013-10-08 19:01:52 UTC
I question the validity of the Empress.

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-10-08 19:02:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
It's incredibly tempting to change my citizenship just so I can be put on this list.

Unless of course, non-Amarrians can be put on it too. In which case I will personally fly over to a PIE Inc office and sign the document myself.

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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#4 - 2013-10-08 19:12:23 UTC
Can we see this list ?

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Rosen Thornn
House of Nightshade
#5 - 2013-10-08 19:30:23 UTC
You should look inward to see what threatens your Empress.
Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#6 - 2013-10-08 19:37:13 UTC
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
In response, PIE Inc. will be compiling a list of all those who question the Empress. Those who are put on this list will be considered traitors to Amarr by PIE inc and will be treated as such. This list will also be sent to the MIO, so that proper legal proceedings can be brought against those who have damned themselves with their words against the Holy Empress.
How very exciting! PIE Inc. acting as clerks of the Ministry of Internal Order! And if I understand you right, the Ministry is supposed to do the work, while you sit back and sign lists? How very PIE!

Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
I would ask that those who are still loyal to God and Amarr keep an eye out for those who would dare blaspheme Empress Jamyl and that they would contact me if they see any treacherous words.
Yah, I am sure your inbox will be flooded soon... I on the other hand would expect that those who are still loyal to God and Amarr would stop just keeping eyes and start to act...

Odelya d'Hanguest
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2013-10-08 19:41:41 UTC
Pyre Falcon thanks the good Admiral for keeping us informed as to these matters but has no public opinion on what is, after all, purely an internal matter for our allies.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2013-10-08 19:52:42 UTC
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PIE Inc. acting as clerks of the Ministry of Internal Order! And if I understand you right, the Ministry is supposed to do the work, while you sit back and sign lists? How very PIE!


While I would love to execute you personally for your words, heretic, and will do so happily if you ever leave the service of the militia, it is not PIE's place to revoke titles. That is the Ministry of Internal Order's bailiwick, and it would be absurd for a Military organization in service to the Office of Emperor to try and claim that role.

But then, someone who dares question the Theology Council and the Empress wouldn't understand following proper procedure.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#9 - 2013-10-08 19:58:14 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Pyre Falcon thanks the good Admiral for keeping us informed as to these matters but has no public opinion on what is, after all, purely an internal matter for our allies.


PIE inc thanks Pyre for acting as an ally should in such internal matters.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-10-08 20:02:07 UTC
Would PIE care to comment on "heretic" Odeyla and the reasons for labeling her as such?

I would then of course ask the obvious follow-up as to why such a person would be a member of the 24th Imperial Crusade?


Sabik now, Sabik forever
Amann Karris
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-10-08 20:07:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Amann Karris
May I ask if my recent comments will merit my inclusion on this list?
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2013-10-08 20:10:42 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Would PIE care to comment on "heretic" Odeyla and the reasons for labeling her as such?


Have you been reading her posts from the last week? I would think it should be pretty self evident.

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I would then of course ask the obvious follow-up as to why such a person would be a member of the 24th Imperial Crusade?


Because her brand of heresy still involves a loyalty to a concept of Amarr, even if it is a false one. That much I can respect. In the grand scheme of things that makes her heresy significantly less damning than yours.

As standard PIE policy, while heretics serve in the crusade we will not retaliate militarily against them. The war against Shakor takes priority over treacherous words and beliefs. But that does not make those treacherous words or beliefs acceptable.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#13 - 2013-10-08 20:12:51 UTC
Amann Karris wrote:
May I ask if my recent comments will merit my inclusion on this list?


Yes. Though in a less severe category than some.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-10-08 20:32:31 UTC
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
The war against Shakor takes priority over treacherous words and beliefs.



This does not sound like you.



There's an old saying you might remember, to the effect of "suffer not a single heretic, though a whole world may burn as a result."


There was a time not so many years ago, when True Amarr brother and sister capsuleers would settle this sort of thing immediately, political consequences be damned.



You remember.




Sabik now, Sabik forever
Amann Karris
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-10-08 20:33:00 UTC
All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all;
When thine heart shines with the Light, thou shalt know no hardship;
When thine actions are in Light's name, thou art immortal.
- The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:1
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#16 - 2013-10-08 20:34:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Ishuk-Raata considers the announcement by Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris duly noted, and will pass this information along to our personnel operating in Imperial space or territories.

As always, Ishuk-Raata baseline personnel within Imperial borders are well informed they fall under Imperial jurisdiction and are responsible for learning and upholding Imperial laws, including those relevant to this discussion.

That said, we would prefer to be informed if any of our people somehow find their way on this list.

Katrina Oniseki
Anslo
Scope Works
#17 - 2013-10-08 20:36:46 UTC
Alright. Inappropriate facetiousness aside, I need to actually ask something here. Your worlds and systems rest in the hands of the Minmatar, your sworn enemy you vowed to bring back under the banner of Amarr, and you're making a list? Why don't you leave that to the MIO, you know...as it's their job? Why do you think they are incapable of handling this?

I don't understand why you're wasting time declaring a new 'list' to be made and handed over to MIO essentially saying I'M TELLING I'M TELLING instead of taking back your worlds. For the love of Gods, I thought this was a joke at first. But no, you're actually doing this. Unbelievable....

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Amann Karris
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-10-08 20:42:59 UTC
Anslo wrote:
I don't understand why you're wasting time declaring a new 'list' to be made and handed over to MIO essentially saying I'M TELLING I'M TELLING instead of taking back your worlds. For the love of Gods, I thought this was a joke at first. But no, you're actually doing this. Unbelievable....

I believe you are misreading the statement. Specifically:

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Those who are put on this list will be considered traitors to Amarr by PIE inc and will be treated as such.

Which means they are taking it upon themselves to act as judge, jury, and if need be executioner, while also letting the Empire know what's going on.

Alerting the MIO is secondary. They are treating individuals as traitors without even allowing those of Holder status their right to honorable duel.

As a Capsuleer organization that is within their right; they also know the MIO has no authority over Capsuleers.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#19 - 2013-10-08 20:43:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Anslo wrote:
Alright. Inappropriate facetiousness aside, I need to actually ask something here. Your worlds and systems rest in the hands of the Minmatar, your sworn enemy you vowed to bring back under the banner of Amarr, and you're making a list? Why don't you leave that to the MIO, you know...as it's their job? Why do you think they are incapable of handling this?

I don't understand why you're wasting time declaring a new 'list' to be made and handed over to MIO essentially saying I'M TELLING I'M TELLING instead of taking back your worlds. For the love of Gods, I thought this was a joke at first. But no, you're actually doing this. Unbelievable....


I find it odd that you would rather, or are at least suggesting, an Imperial entity focus more on killing your allies than focus on Imperial internal issues.

Katrina Oniseki
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-10-08 20:45:13 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Alright. Inappropriate facetiousness aside, I need to actually ask something here. Your worlds and systems rest in the hands of the Minmatar, your sworn enemy you vowed to bring back under the banner of Amarr, and you're making a list? Why don't you leave that to the MIO, you know...as it's their job? Why do you think they are incapable of handling this?

I don't understand why you're wasting time declaring a new 'list' to be made and handed over to MIO essentially saying I'M TELLING I'M TELLING instead of taking back your worlds. For the love of Gods, I thought this was a joke at first. But no, you're actually doing this. Unbelievable....


That you'd ask such a question means you don't understand the point, Mr. Anslo. And this might not be the thread for outsiders to be participating in. Some irony for my involvement notwithstanding this is what you might refer to as an 'internal' Amarr conversation.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
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