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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#1 - 2013-10-08 06:09:25 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
This is a resurrection of some old threads here.

More uses for destroyer hulls

Squad Command Ships

Command Destroyers


The basic premise of this idea is simple and narrow:

Tech 2 Destroyers that are geared towards fitting and efficiently using Warfare links while "holding their own" in combat.

Whether they are slower/faster, lighter/tougher, defensive/offensive etc. than normal destroyers I'll leave up to you guys and the developers.


Why?

- there are people grumbling that with the upcoming warp speed changes and the much talked about nerf to off-grid links (coming SOON (tm)) skirmishers and fast flying fleets won't have a reasonably viable option to look towards without significantly slowing the whole fleet down.

- It gives Faction Warfare players an option to bring into the smaller complexes (may or may not be a good thing).

- it does fill a gap and won't step on too many toes.
--- Regular Battlecruisers will remain as the relatively "cheap but beefy" option for "kitchen sink" fleets that want links.
--- Command ships will remain as the "big fleet" ships (due in large part to their tanking and extra link abilities)
--- Tech 3 Command Ships will be better suited for HAC/Cruiser/Attack Battlecruiser gangs (due to their mixture of mobility and tank... and they're going to be rebalanced at some point anyways).
--- It won't replace the Orca as link support as it won't have mining link bonuses or the extra "bells and whistles"... but will provide a relatively cheap link-support platform for small, less wealthy mining groups.

- it provides a clear line of progression for budding Command Ship pilots.

How did you Veterans start?
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#2 - 2013-10-08 06:35:48 UTC
I have been bitching about this ever since ongrid links were announced.

You are goddamn right I support this.

Skirmish needs to be fast.

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To mare
Advanced Technology
#3 - 2013-10-08 08:53:26 UTC  |  Edited by: To mare
i like the idea, with upcoming changes bringing a command in a fleet of HAC will be almost impossible

i think they should just have a fitting bonus to command link not a efficency one and 1 command link per ship (no way they gonna have fittings for command processor)
Velicitia
XS Tech
#4 - 2013-10-08 09:24:01 UTC
Sounds like a good solution for the "problems" that will come up with necessitating being on-grid with the fleet you're boosting.

+1

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Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#5 - 2013-10-08 09:40:18 UTC
+1

Having spoken to some people who primarily play medium sized frigate and destroyer fleets I can see a need for this moving forward. Good suggestion.
Alara IonStorm
#6 - 2013-10-08 09:59:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
I like this idea as say a third destroyer + T2 model. Perhaps a tankier version with high resists / rep bonuses in both T1 and improved in T2. Light Damage lower scale cruiser tank through bonuses to Destroyer sized mods kinda deal. Also fulfills the role of tank based Destroyers on the side.

I also separately like the idea of a torpedo armed Destroyer as well with racial Dmg bonuses. (That also being a principal weapon of historical Destroyers as well.)

Those would make great additions to the Destroyer line which isn't flushed out yet bringing it up to 4. 2 DPS based ones using alternate racial weapons, a fast light Frigate DPS one with a strong tank that can command fast skirmishing gangs and a Tier 3 one specialized for mid range small DPS support against Battlecruiser, Battleship and heavily tackled targets. (lacking range and accuracy bonuses like the Stealth Bomber.)

Final thought to Destroyers, I think the current DPS Destroyers in game that have 7-8 weapons should be halved and given a 100% bonus so they are cheaper, that and the introduction of a Meta mid ground drone. I'm rambling now.
BiggestT
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-10-08 10:04:17 UTC
In regards to faction warfare, this will be a nice touch. ANyone that hates link bonuses need not worry, just shoot the ship with the links Blink (they can't hide anymore).

Here is more info on how ongrid-only links will affect FW: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=284177

Introduction of M/L sites in FW would be ideal if we cannot get any smaller ships by the time offgrid boosting gets nerfed.
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
#8 - 2013-10-08 10:30:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Lephia DeGrande
I like the idea!

This could increase the use of Frigs/Destroyer only Fleets which are pretty rare these days, if you dont count Stealth Bombers of course.

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Doomheim
#9 - 2013-10-08 10:37:12 UTC
Just yes.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#10 - 2013-10-08 14:35:38 UTC
Bumping back to the first page!

How did you Veterans start?
Jonas Nolm
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-10-08 16:42:35 UTC
I like the idea.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#12 - 2013-10-08 16:48:14 UTC
make the bonuses not apply to any ships large than a cruiser.

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Takari
Promised Victorious Entropy
#13 - 2013-10-08 16:51:23 UTC
This idea will always have my support!

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Rykki Atruin
Independant Praetorian Corp
#14 - 2013-10-08 17:06:52 UTC
+1

Since I'm a newbie in a corp full of other newbies (who can't fly CS yet) and we often explore/mission/roam in frigate/destroyer fleets I'm 100% behind the idea of a squad booster ship!

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Chuckmandoo
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-10-08 17:16:27 UTC
Supported +1
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#16 - 2013-10-08 17:22:35 UTC

I personally think Warfare Boosts are overpowered.... so I'm very hesitant about increasing their use.

At the same time, I think Fleet boosting dessies are a reasonable addition to the game where fleet boosting is already ubiquitous.

As such, I would highly recommend the following:

Command Dessie hulls get the ability to fit 2 Warfare links, as well as fitting reductions to make fitting them viable. They should NOT receive boosts to fitting command processors (meaning they can only use 2 links). Most importantly, they should NOT get any bonus to the strength of warfare links (just giving the basic links is plenty!).

Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#17 - 2013-10-08 17:30:24 UTC
Posting my support for a T2 Algos, Corax, Dragoon and Talwar.

I also support the idea OP is presenting. Something like this will definitely help allow more flexibility in fleets and maybe even allow smaller, lighter fleets a better chance when meeting with larger, heavier ones.
MonkeyMagic Thiesant
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-10-08 19:47:03 UTC
Dunno about this specifically, but I'd like to see more T2 destroyers. Cruisers have so many options, doubly so with the flexibility of t3s. Frigs, ditto. Might be interesting to see more options in this ship size.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#19 - 2013-10-08 19:57:41 UTC
MonkeyMagic Thiesant wrote:
Dunno about this specifically, but I'd like to see more T2 destroyers. Cruisers have so many options, doubly so with the flexibility of t3s. Frigs, ditto. Might be interesting to see more options in this ship size.

I guess technically T3s with a Gravitational Capacitor can probably keep up with destroyers.

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Luc Chastot
#20 - 2013-10-08 20:11:48 UTC
This might add a lot of flavor to FW pvp. CCP should avoid making these a necessity, though.

Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

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