Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I rest well in the knowledge that CCP will never do any of your ideas no matter how much attention this gets.

Removing things from the game that infect Devs with disease is an idea I fully support.

Could be that T2 BPOs don't affect the market price (and thus profitability) of any item with any significant market volume, so there's no actual reason to remove them except to pacify Brewlar, his alts, and various other super jealous people.

Also, rebalancing ships to have different stats (and the same or increased mineral requirements) is a far different thing than removing them from the game.

So, if you want T2 BPOs gone from the game, you have the tools to do that. Buy them and trash them.


Disclaimer: If I ever got my hands on a T2 BPO, I'd sell it. Getting 2-10 years worth of profit in a lump sum up front is a screaming deal.

I wouldn't say his stupid more like still blinded by rage over things that happened years ago which is clearly shown by this comment



anyway......

to comment on what the op initially posted having the t2 bpo's seeded on the market will alienate a lot of people obviously some of those won them through the lottery system and others got theirs through other means such as being purchased, gifted, stolen and so on. I think the one T2 bpo change I liked the most was when they changed the cargo expander I bpos to T2 versions as a lot of people were surprised after that downtime to log in and find out that they were the new owners of a T2 bpo just for owning the T1 version previously. Asking for them to be seeded on the market is like me asking for R64 moons to be more common through out empire and not just for 0.0 and the cartels who agree certain pricing, obviously such a request will pish off some people and also gain me a lot of comments ridiculing me for such a request.

personally I would love to see them reintroduce them through certain means however not through seeding on the market and certainly not flooding them onto the server as to kill off invention, that is if they ever change their minds and decide to proportionally seed them onto the server again or just leave new ships and mods to be gained through invented bpcs.

okay, on that note, remove titans from the game or add one to everyone's hangar, its only fair!

but in all honesty, being someone who knows SEVERAL T2 BPO holders, they dont make money off them, at all really, in fact, most of them are QUITE open to offers of sale for their BPO's, the only ones who dont want to drop any (like me if i can just convince my quitting friend to hand his over) are ones who just want them as a show/collector piece, because thats all theya re and thats all they sell as at this point, a collector piece (and a source of BPC production, but lets be honest, BPC's arent worth **** half the time).

Hurt? I don't need T2 BPO to get my daily indu fix; invention is more engaging than just use a BPO. Moreover, I'm always amused about players who complain about this problem. T2 BPO holders cannot satisfy the needs at all for ships and modules and thus I don't care if there are some people undercutting prices for a couple of days per month.

Btw. are you implying that I/we RMT? I consider that an insult, just so you know.

if that is the case if the t2 bpos don't make money .. then why not let every one have them ? copies of t2 bpos are used to build and used a against bpo build vs bpc builds. they are called printing money for a reason. but in your defence if they don't make any money why the big deal about being against them being seeded. make them 100 times price of their t1 counter parts

Perhaps in the wall of quotes I misunderstood what you were saying:

I was under the impression that you advocated removing ALL t2 BPO's from the game: No compensation, they are just gone from the game one day. Upon rereading the section, you might have meant only removed the illicitly gained BPO's, which was already done over five years go.

The counterpoint I was trying to make: Removing all BPO's would hurt 99% of the players that acquired them via legit ingame mechanics, and was trying to point out that if one person in your alliance RMT'd their isk, this would be akin to demanding every member of your alliance, regardless of guilt or involvement, gets all of their assets stripped. It is an obnoxiously unfair and heavy-handed approach. Furthermore, since t2 BPO's don't undermine the profitability of t2 production via invention in "most cases", obliterating the value of t2 bpo's is completely unnecessary. Finally, anyone today that has a t2 bpo, does so because they earned it, not because of a 7 yr old lottery.

I'm not claiming you/your group RMT's... I'm just trying to come up with an example where you could be unfairly hit, just like the Op is unfairly hitting T2 BPO holders.

And for the record, I own no t2 BPO's, and make plenty of isk via invention.

True. My point being, drastical change to stats can easily change them from alternative way of production to fancy limited souvenirs akin to Boots.ini. Which is, to me, basically the same as their removal: they don't affect even the way their owner interacts with industry anymore. If someone is interested in buying limited issue souvenirs - why not


Well, yes, I'm aware that said "fuzziness territory" is the most T2 BPOs affet markets these days, and statistics provided (yours and other sources I've encountered) suggests that there is always some territory where invented items can be squeezed. Actually, given that invented BPCs' stats can vary I wouldn't be surprized if CCP made it so that occasional BPC has better stats than existing BPOs (I don't really know stats of those T2 BPOs, shame on me), so that invention would be competitive and can augment/replace BPO production as time passes.

No, not really. Sorry, OP.