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A review of player giveaways with CCP and third party sites

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Kate stark
#761 - 2013-10-08 16:15:36 UTC
sally Deninard wrote:
Money Makin Mitch wrote:
first dev response in the other threadnaught was to... delete several bad posts, declare the rest of the thread irrelevant, and link to 2 topics that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. real classy, CCP Roll


This.... so much this.

Also before the argument falls into whether the ships matter or not, it`s the silence that offends me most.
The clear
..we`ll communicate with third party sites that project our public image immediately, but the playerbase can go f..k thereselves.

If you have the time to edit and lock threads, find the time to answer the players.

silence= guilt


to be fair, the whole "it's worth 1 trit, it's no big deal" comment would have been rather insulting if that would have been the official line.

third parties who have no idea how the game works might be content with that as an answer, but the playerbase who know that answer is a load of **** are going to take a bit more convincing.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Bronco Platz
Doomheim
#762 - 2013-10-08 16:21:49 UTC
Okay, what do we have so far?

-secretly gifted ships
-a 74 pages long thread without any reaction of CCP
-thread closed for no reason and hint to post in unrelated threads
-and still no comment, not a single word about the Topic of CCP

What are you trying to achive with the other thread closed? It was running since saturday morning, 3 and a half days. Nobody from CCP said something to the players until closing the thread without giving a real reason?
Is this just an Extension of the silcence until we Players Forget und you can assume your favorism?

This signature is under NDA. Sorry.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#763 - 2013-10-08 16:21:57 UTC
My position stands the same as in this thread and the other...

CCP can do anything they want to, the sandbox is inside their school yard, thus they can do what they want to it.

I'm not saying this was the best idea in the world.

Handing out unique ships and field trips...OK cool, using a for profit gambling website............a little questionable.

If SOMERblink didn't fund any in/out of game events, OK, horrible idea. BUT THEY DO!

So its not a horrible idea.

The only thing I didn't like about this situation, is that to enter you had to be registered on their site and drop some ISK. Which really isn't all that bad. You have to buy lottery tickets to get a chance at the millions.....same here!

SOMERblink should've taken all profits that weekend and bought PLEX, donated it to CPP for a charitable cause.

CCP should'nt have been all *hush hush* about the Scorps either.

This isn't comparable to the T20 scandal of years past, so please stop that!
(Makes you look childish.)

...
Bronco Platz
Doomheim
#764 - 2013-10-08 16:27:09 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
My position stands the same as in this thread and the other...

CCP can do anything they want to, the sandbox is inside their school yard, thus they can do what they want to it.

I'm not saying this was the best idea in the world.

Handing out unique ships and field trips...OK cool, using a for profit gambling website............a little questionable.

If SOMERblink didn't fund any in/out of game events, OK, horrible idea. BUT THEY DO!

So its not a horrible idea.

The only thing I didn't like about this situation, is that to enter you had to be registered on their site and drop some ISK. Which really isn't all that bad. You have to buy lottery tickets to get a chance at the millions.....same here!

SOMERblink should've taken all profits that weekend and bought PLEX, donated it to CPP for a charitable cause.

CCP should'nt have been all *hush hush* about the Scorps either.

This isn't comparable to the T20 scandal of years past, so please stop that!
(Makes you look childish.)


I would write, that this isn´t the Topic here. Bu then reallized, I´m in the wrong thread...

This signature is under NDA. Sorry.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#765 - 2013-10-08 16:36:21 UTC
Bronco Platz wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
My position stands the same as in this thread and the other...

CCP can do anything they want to, the sandbox is inside their school yard, thus they can do what they want to it.

I'm not saying this was the best idea in the world.

Handing out unique ships and field trips...OK cool, using a for profit gambling website............a little questionable.

If SOMERblink didn't fund any in/out of game events, OK, horrible idea. BUT THEY DO!

So its not a horrible idea.

The only thing I didn't like about this situation, is that to enter you had to be registered on their site and drop some ISK. Which really isn't all that bad. You have to buy lottery tickets to get a chance at the millions.....same here!

SOMERblink should've taken all profits that weekend and bought PLEX, donated it to CPP for a charitable cause.

CCP should'nt have been all *hush hush* about the Scorps either.

This isn't comparable to the T20 scandal of years past, so please stop that!
(Makes you look childish.)


I would write, that this isn´t the Topic here. Bu then reallized, I´m in the wrong thread...

I wrote a post in that other thread and left, it was closed and was told to redirect to this and another thread.

So I put my opinion here again....so sue me

...
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#766 - 2013-10-08 16:42:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Baali Tekitsu
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:


I wrote a post in that other thread and left, it was closed and was told to redirect to this and another thread.

So I put my opinion here again....so sue me


Be honest, you just secretly wish an Ishscorpion to appear in your hangar.

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Prince Kobol
#767 - 2013-10-08 16:45:01 UTC
Bronco Platz wrote:
Okay, what do we have so far?

-secretly gifted ships
-a 74 pages long thread without any reaction of CCP
-thread closed for no reason and hint to post in unrelated threads
-and still no comment, not a single word about the Topic of CCP

What are you trying to achive with the other thread closed? It was running since saturday morning, 3 and a half days. Nobody from CCP said something to the players until closing the thread without giving a real reason?
Is this just an Extension of the silcence until we Players Forget und you can assume your favorism?


Well to be fair the thread was closed because the subject matter had been abandon and it become nothing more then a few people snipping at each other.

As for CCP no commenting yet, not totally surprised.

They usually wait a few days first to let the fire die down before releasing any kind of comment.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#768 - 2013-10-08 16:50:20 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:


I wrote a post in that other thread and left, it was closed and was told to redirect to this and another thread.

So I put my opinion here again....so sue me


Be honest, you just secretly wish an Ishscorpion to appear in your hangar.


Actually yes I do...

I would LOVE to hand it to someone as a prize at one of the monthly meetups I help organize...

...
Kate stark
#769 - 2013-10-08 16:51:39 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:


I wrote a post in that other thread and left, it was closed and was told to redirect to this and another thread.

So I put my opinion here again....so sue me


Be honest, you just secretly wish an Ishscorpion to appear in your hangar.


Actually yes I do...

I would LOVE to hand it to someone as a prize at one of the monthly meetups I help organize...


you can't just give away a scorpion, then people would know you have it. that's against the spirit of the ship.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#770 - 2013-10-08 16:54:54 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:


I wrote a post in that other thread and left, it was closed and was told to redirect to this and another thread.

So I put my opinion here again....so sue me


Be honest, you just secretly wish an Ishscorpion to appear in your hangar.


Actually yes I do...

I would LOVE to hand it to someone as a prize at one of the monthly meetups I help organize...


you can't just give away a scorpion, then people would know you have it. that's against the spirit of the ship.

Bits of code has no spirit...

But, if you wanna go that way...

I'd sell the ship, buy PLEX, and hand those a way to even more people!!!

Better?

...
Kate stark
#771 - 2013-10-08 16:59:17 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:


I wrote a post in that other thread and left, it was closed and was told to redirect to this and another thread.

So I put my opinion here again....so sue me


Be honest, you just secretly wish an Ishscorpion to appear in your hangar.


Actually yes I do...

I would LOVE to hand it to someone as a prize at one of the monthly meetups I help organize...


you can't just give away a scorpion, then people would know you have it. that's against the spirit of the ship.

Bits of code has no spirit...

But, if you wanna go that way...

I'd sell the ship, buy PLEX, and hand those a way to even more people!!!

Better?


sure but do it on an alt and keep it as low profile as possible that way the market won't crash and you'll get more plex for your scorpion.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#772 - 2013-10-08 17:42:18 UTC
Shame on you CCP.

The Tears Must Flow
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#773 - 2013-10-08 17:53:12 UTC
CCP, please fix things and please give a response to our concerns about SomerGate, soon, please.
Careby
#774 - 2013-10-08 18:40:57 UTC
I support CCP's right to do whatever they like with their games. And I exercised my own right to cancel my (too many) EVE subscriptions. I gave them a reason: Ingame Issues / Other / Inequitable distribution of in-game items such as gifts of Scorpion Ishukone Watch to SOMER Blink employees.

EVE is a real life time and money sink. It competes for my resources with many other worthwhile activities. There are lots of reasons I shouldn't be spending so much of my time and money on the game. "SOMERgift" has a miniscule impact on me personally. A 15b bonus for a few players that the rest of us don't get - about two years worth of free game. Not enough to get my knickers in a bunch, really, if I weren't already primed by other factors.

The concept that SOMER Blink adds value to EVE can be argued either way. I find accounts of their generosity a bit strained - they take dollars and isk and give back some of the isk - how generous is that? But that's my own opinion and not really relevant. What's more important is the perception of the source of the value of the game content. Players make the content, and players are the most valuable variable in the EVE equation. Or at least I think they are.

I feel no rage, and I can't say for sure if my decision will be permanent. All I know is that today, I felt like canceling my subscriptions and so I did. I'm sure CCP won't be too upset about it.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#775 - 2013-10-08 19:13:08 UTC
Since I didn't get a CCP answer in the other thread:

For CCP: "Just hit me that CCP employees who play in secret (as required) may not really understand the value of isk. Do they get their side accounts for free or do they have to really join the rest of us in forking up cash each month or working our asses off to PLEX?"

For customers: "Root of evil?"
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#776 - 2013-10-08 19:15:08 UTC
Giving away assets that have a market worth of billions of isk is wrong.

Giving away such assets in secret - is IA on this yet?
Josef Djugashvilis
#777 - 2013-10-08 20:12:27 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
My position stands the same as in this thread and the other...

CCP can do anything they want to, the sandbox is inside their school yard, thus they can do what they want to it.

I'm not saying this was the best idea in the world.

Handing out unique ships and field trips...OK cool, using a for profit gambling website............a little questionable.

If SOMERblink didn't fund any in/out of game events, OK, horrible idea. BUT THEY DO!

So its not a horrible idea.

The only thing I didn't like about this situation, is that to enter you had to be registered on their site and drop some ISK. Which really isn't all that bad. You have to buy lottery tickets to get a chance at the millions.....same here!

SOMERblink should've taken all profits that weekend and bought PLEX, donated it to CPP for a charitable cause.

CCP should'nt have been all *hush hush* about the Scorps either.

This isn't comparable to the T20 scandal of years past, so please stop that!
(Makes you look childish.)


You do realize that only quite young people use the word, 'childish' as an insult?

However you are right in a narrow sense, ie that CCP can do as they wish with their sandbox.

The risk they run of course, is that they may not have a sandbox if they hack off enough people.

Even shorter version, no subscribers = no sandbox.

This is not a signature.
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#778 - 2013-10-08 20:53:24 UTC
Not a word from CCP.
Subscription cancelled.
maGz
Hookers and Blackjack II
#779 - 2013-10-08 21:00:19 UTC
"I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say."

BlinkRollTwisted
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#780 - 2013-10-08 21:13:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Money Makin Mitch
they've certainly been on point with locking threads the last few days. still no official response though... i guess they expect us to take the 'it's only worth 1 trit' excuse at face value Ugh

pretty funny LackofFaith was the one to close the last thread... guess how some of us are feeling right about now.

Oh. IB4L for discussing moderators Roll