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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#281 - 2013-10-08 02:28:05 UTC
Deka Ekato wrote:
So this is what the CSM has become, as shown by the current vocal members :

- It's anothere PR avenue / tool for CCP, which provides The Eve community with standarised and formatted answers, in case they mess up, like they seriously have done so.

- The vocal CSM members are simply in the CSM for themselves. They do not care or represent anyone. They are init just for the known / unknown goodies they can get, both in and out of game.

- They only care about their own personal interests.

- They are simply CCP's puppets.

CCP, how low will you stoop to? You release your "CSM / PR" machine to try to ease anothere PR mess you have once again created, before you decide to make an official statement about this mess, ( if you ever do ).

I do not know about the other CSM members, but their silence, on this matter, is, to me, suspicious.

Maybe the time has come to also rethink if the Eve community needs a CSM at all, cause the current vocal members seem to be CCP Puppets and so out of touch with the community concerning SomerGate.

Seems to be working just fine.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Frying Doom
#282 - 2013-10-08 02:28:50 UTC
Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:

(It'd be worse off than it is now)

The United States government is shut down and about to default on loans.
The European governments are always having some crisis or another.
The Australian government has just changed hands after 5 years of childish bickering and back stabbing.

Yeah worse off.

Some Senators have been accused for being mouth pieces for big oil, big tobacco ect..

The CSM, is it even an accusation any more, that they are a CCP PR group?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#283 - 2013-10-08 02:36:19 UTC
too late for popcorn?

wumbo
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#284 - 2013-10-08 03:09:22 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:

(It'd be worse off than it is now)

The United States government is shut down and about to default on loans.
The European governments are always having some crisis or another.
The Australian government has just changed hands after 5 years of childish bickering and back stabbing.

Yeah worse off.

Some Senators have been accused for being mouth pieces for big oil, big tobacco ect..

The CSM, is it even an accusation any more, that they are a CCP PR group?

But they are a ccp pr group, everyone already knows it

ccp pr wasn't/isn't exactly the best at dealing with ~the players~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#285 - 2013-10-08 04:05:05 UTC
Eli Green wrote:
too late for popcorn?


Be sure to buy a family size. This may go on forever.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#286 - 2013-10-08 05:35:55 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Actually, we voted Ripard to use his best judgement in representing us. OK, his best judgement disagrees with a number of folks. Simple - Don't vote for him next time.

Problem solved.


Waiting for the next voting round seems sort of distant. Recall?

Doesn't seem to be a mechanism for that. Maybe we can ask CCP to create one? P

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#287 - 2013-10-08 05:38:28 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Seriously though, **** this game.

Your stuffs - I can haz?

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#288 - 2013-10-08 06:27:20 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Recall Malcanis.


Sorry, no. Consequences.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
#289 - 2013-10-08 07:26:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Rob Crowley
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
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No. "Any group who wins the tournament" is the exact opposite of "specific group of players".
It does mean "specific group of players". PvP pilots. It doesn't do anything for market characters, miners, industrialists, etc. CCP does this to promote PvP, and they reward the people who do PvP in that context accordingly.
No, "specific group of players" in this context obviously means a group CCP directly chose by name as in "Somer Blink employees". That's very much different from "any group who wins the tournament". And the AT is open to everyone. If the market characters, miners, industrialists, etc. choose to not enter it that's their choice. They're not kept out by CCP, same way as the "PvP pilots" are not kept out of asteroid belts to mine them, they just usually choose not to.

Quote:
But it's not "everyone". It's just Chribba.
I don't know where you got that idea, but you're wrong. There are numerous hisec capitals belonging to numerous owners.

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It's not really favoritism. It's a promotional item.
Of course it's favouritism. If one group gets support from CCP and the competitors in the sandbox don't get it then that's favouritism. It couldn't be any more plain.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#290 - 2013-10-08 08:05:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
Grow up you big, jealous babies...XD


(or keep posting, its hilarious either way)
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#291 - 2013-10-08 08:11:19 UTC
- From : Jita Park Speakers Corner
- Thread : Where Does CSM Stand on the Somer Blink Employee Giveaway?
( Thread is locked )

- Post 48, By Malcanis

[quote] Malcanis


#48Posted: 2013.10.07 10:00 | Report

Montmazar wrote:



As noted above, you are missing the analogy entirely. So I'll dispense with analogies.

Nothing Somer does whatsoever is worth any reward.



OK now we're getting to the gist of it.

What do you know about why Somer got the award? " Why do you think your opinion carries weight in this matter?"


1 Kings 12:11


Malcanis, how disgustingly and offensively low can you go?
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#292 - 2013-10-08 08:19:11 UTC
http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/04/27/eve-online-tv-series-dark-horse-comic/

This is by now old news but if Mr. Baltasar Kormákur ever want to do a comedy show based on EVE, there is plenty of material for that too.

Or a drama based on true events in EVE.. hmm.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
#293 - 2013-10-08 08:29:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Rob Crowley
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
PvE content hardly dwarfs the AT in regard to how unsandboxy it is
Yep, I was referring to the value, in that regard mission and incursion running easily dwarfs the AT rewards.

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Now you propose that so long as there is a specifically stated framework, unsandboxlike as it is, the effect of those rewards is acceptable. Furthermore a sandbox game's creators should only reward content that is the opposite of intended eve gameplay.
I would suggest that running missions is not the opposite of intended Eve gameplay. If those themepark elements weren't intended gameplay they wouldn't be in the game. The important part is that they're not damaging the sandbox because of their specifically stated framework and cause they're available to everyone.

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By that logic the next up for unique ship handouts should be miners for excessive complaining about gankers.
I don't understand that conclusion at all. Care to elaborate?

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As I understand I cannot as I am not a part of a player alliance, additionally there are a limited number of slots, and furthermore a limited number of matches and players per match. The vast majority of the game is excluded from competing.
Well, I have to concede one small point: Since this year the rules about being in the alliance have not been stated in advance it was indeed not quite available to everyone. Though it was clear in advance that you would have to join an alliance at some point to compete. And of course generally not being in an alliance is your choice, it's not CCP excluding you personally.

And yeah, the competition for the AT obviously begins with getting one of the slots, which incidentally is a process known in advance where everyone has the same chance. CCP doesn't choose who gets those slots or who gets a place in the teams, so CCP doesn't exclude anyone (minus the alliance-less, and that only because the alliance participation rule wasn't stated in advance for this one AT).
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#294 - 2013-10-08 08:53:39 UTC
Rob Crowley wrote:

Quote:
As I understand I cannot as I am not a part of a player alliance, additionally there are a limited number of slots, and furthermore a limited number of matches and players per match. The vast majority of the game is excluded from competing.
Well, I have to concede one small point: Since this year the rules about being in the alliance have not been stated in advance it was indeed not quite available to everyone. Though it was clear in advance that you would have to join an alliance at some point to compete. And of course generally not being in an alliance is your choice, it's not CCP excluding you personally.

And yeah, the competition for the AT obviously begins with getting one of the slots, which incidentally is a process known in advance where everyone has the same chance. CCP doesn't choose who gets those slots or who gets a place in the teams, so CCP doesn't exclude anyone (minus the alliance-less, and that only because the alliance participation rule wasn't stated in advance for this one AT).

there is one (BIG) problem: only pvp-oriented players can play and win AT.

In Eve Online Universe there is lot more what you can do: mining, trading, exploring, scamming, manufacturing, corp managing, thiefing, spying, etc.... And all these players who have chosen other paths to play this game are excluded from AT.

It's like maps for Counter-Strike when people only use sniper rifles. You can be pro at knifes, you can be pro at automatic rifles, but if you are weak at sniper rifles you will have bad time there.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#295 - 2013-10-08 09:00:54 UTC
Just a thought concerning the Alliance Tournament prizes:

Could it be argued that the cost in ammo, hull, and module losses ~pays~ for the tournament prizes? Similar to poker, these alliances are adding to the pot until one alliance has the winning hand. Being a player run market, the value of the prizes may or may not exceed the overall total losses getting to the last battle. But players worked for the prizes in game instead of out of game.
Prince Kobol
#296 - 2013-10-08 09:01:32 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Rob Crowley wrote:

Quote:
As I understand I cannot as I am not a part of a player alliance, additionally there are a limited number of slots, and furthermore a limited number of matches and players per match. The vast majority of the game is excluded from competing.
Well, I have to concede one small point: Since this year the rules about being in the alliance have not been stated in advance it was indeed not quite available to everyone. Though it was clear in advance that you would have to join an alliance at some point to compete. And of course generally not being in an alliance is your choice, it's not CCP excluding you personally.

And yeah, the competition for the AT obviously begins with getting one of the slots, which incidentally is a process known in advance where everyone has the same chance. CCP doesn't choose who gets those slots or who gets a place in the teams, so CCP doesn't exclude anyone (minus the alliance-less, and that only because the alliance participation rule wasn't stated in advance for this one AT).

there is one (BIG) problem: only pvp-oriented players can play and win AT.

In Eve Online Universe there is lot more what you can do: mining, trading, exploring, scamming, manufacturing, corp managing, thiefing, spying, etc.... And all these players who have chosen other paths to play this game are excluded from AT.

It's like maps for Counter-Strike when people only use sniper rifles. You can be pro at knifes, you can be pro at automatic rifles, but if you are weak at sniper rifles you will have bad time there.


Erm.. kind of misleading.

There is a difference to being allowed to enter a competition and being able to win a competition.

Nobody is excluded from the AT Competition.

An Alliance solely comprised of Miners can enter if they choose to. They could fight in nothing but ventures with mining lasers if they choose to.

The option is available.

Whether they would win the competition is not the issue.

In regards to CCP giving gifts to people/groups/entities who ever they be, this is a decision solely made by CCP.

So, the AT competition, prizes have to be earned by entering the competition which is available to everybody and winning said competition.

Free gifts are only obtained by who ever CCP deem to be worthy.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#297 - 2013-10-08 09:03:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Why would you expect any less? They traded in their player advocate hats a long time ago in exchange for ~improved access~ (fat lot of good it did them here, hey?). Don't let the election fool you, they don't represent players anymore. For all intents and purposes, they are CCP employees, with the only notable distinction being that they're dumb enough to work without pay for a for-profit corporation.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#298 - 2013-10-08 09:08:54 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Why would you expect any less? They traded in their player advocate hats a long time ago in exchange for ~improved access~ (fat lot of good it did them here, hey?). Don't let the election fool you, they don't represent players anymore. For all intents and purposes, they are CCP employees, with the only notable distinction being that they're dumb enough to work without pay for a for-profit corporation.


*sips mojito

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Kate stark
#299 - 2013-10-08 09:11:54 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
Why would you expect any less? They traded in their player advocate hats a long time ago in exchange for ~improved access~ (fat lot of good it did them here, hey?). Don't let the election fool you, they don't represent players anymore. For all intents and purposes, they are CCP employees, with the only notable distinction being that they're dumb enough to work without pay for a for-profit corporation.


*sips mojito

i'll admit, i only took a brief glance at the last page of this thread.

but at a glance, i guess you've decided to come back and troll rather than actually address the player concerns?
still, it seems to be more than CCP are doing right now.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#300 - 2013-10-08 09:28:17 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Why would you expect any less? They traded in their player advocate hats a long time ago in exchange for ~improved access~ (fat lot of good it did them here, hey?). Don't let the election fool you, they don't represent players anymore. For all intents and purposes, they are CCP employees, with the only notable distinction being that they're dumb enough to work without pay for a for-profit corporation.

Malacanis is doing a pretty good job of expressing my view point. So... he's being a good player advocate from my side of the fence.....
I.E. You can't call the CSM out on 'not listening' when players are saying it's not a big deal in opposition to your view point. I have a few issues over it, and have brought them up in the CSM forums in a polite non rage manner where a CSM member has taken them on board. So, they certainly seem to care about our views. Just possibly you haven't provided enough rational facts & logic to convince them that your view has serious merit.