These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Market Discussions

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

EVE economy round table
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#1 - 2013-10-05 00:24:53 UTC
Dear CCP,

Within the Round Table about economic information on the last Fanfest, a suggestion was made to get production information, regarding production volume per region or constellation, shown on the star map like Podkills / Kills. With bubbles. So we had some way of seeing production regions and we could start figuring out how the transport volumes are moving around, and base strategies based on that information.

Since this idea was brought up, and others like it. I haven't heard about it on forums, dev blogs or change logs.

Please let us know what will happen soon(TM)

Thx.

Sidenote; we still want QEN's back, cant we get a PLEX pool started that finances a person in CCP to make those? How many PLEX would such a pool need... ;)...

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron

-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-
Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
#2 - 2013-10-05 01:57:52 UTC
This seems like dumbing down the trading game. I don't think it is a good idea
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-10-05 02:27:45 UTC
I saw that chart and was a bit surprised. I expected a bigger production at Jita and less elsewhere than the chart showed.
Jita still is bigger than any other location. But Jita by itself is only about 12% of all the production done in eve.
The rest of eve is the other 88% of production.
Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
#4 - 2013-10-05 03:01:56 UTC
Hammer Crendraven wrote:
I saw that chart and was a bit surprised. I expected a bigger production at Jita and less elsewhere than the chart showed.
Jita still is bigger than any other location. But Jita by itself is only about 12% of all the production done in eve.
The rest of eve is the other 88% of production.



Given the lag and the fact that everyone thinks that production is all done in jita, it doesn't surprise me at all.
Manu Militari
Neurotoxin Control
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#5 - 2013-10-05 05:48:21 UTC
I feel like people's requests for trade/market/economic changes are a double edged sword. As Tigerras pointed out, this is dumbing down the market process. It only takes a little effort now to figure out, the people who get the most reward are putting in the most work. That is how it should be.
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-10-05 09:31:33 UTC
Hammer Crendraven wrote:
I saw that chart and was a bit surprised. I expected a bigger production at Jita and less elsewhere than the chart showed.
Jita still is bigger than any other location. But Jita by itself is only about 12% of all the production done in eve.
The rest of eve is the other 88% of production.



Production =/= trading volume. It's not surprising at all, although i was expecting a lot less...
P3po
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-10-05 14:43:07 UTC
I'm surprised it is that much ...

Maybe it could be interested to see how many is produced 2-3 jumps from Jita :)
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#8 - 2013-10-05 14:59:12 UTC
Most production is done in all the constantly full indy hubs and the poses surrounding them, no surprise that Jita doesnt have all production

Fluffy Bunny Pic!

Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#9 - 2013-10-05 15:25:34 UTC
Your suggestion would indeed be dumbing down of the game measure. I don't think we need that kind of information broadcast. Take for example the recent Twitch TV liv broadcast on the forthcoming Rubicon release. As soon as information like that is released it affects the market and prices in a big way.

We all want the QEN's back ! I'm sure Dr Eyjo is a paid employee of CCP so there shouldn't be a need for us pilots to fund his work with PLEX. I fear maybe CCP doesn't want to draw attention to a number of bad decisions that have affected the market and collapsed prices. The 'extra materials', exploration loot, mineral prices, and now gantry BPC's come to mind.

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#10 - 2013-10-05 22:07:41 UTC  |  Edited by: TheSmokingHertog
Lets give some background.

The request for more information is not born out of the wish, to dumb down the game. The wish to have production info could give more incentive to find out about supply lines, and create gameplay that follows up on that. Like PvP. And in nullsec hidden production pockets could become more vunarable to attack.

CCP's Enyo suggested in the Round Table that CCP had massive amounts of data, that he would happily see more displayed in game. He asked us to come up with ways to display the massive ammounts of information in a non-to-specific way. Displaying production numbers for example.

This was the idea that got a positive reaction from Enyo, as something that could be done rather Soon (TM) and not "In the Second Decade" as the other ideas on the round table (Think of all EVE sell data upto 2003 sold for PLEX by CCP).

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron

-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-10-07 19:52:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Hammer Crendraven
Debra Tao wrote:
Hammer Crendraven wrote:
I saw that chart and was a bit surprised. I expected a bigger production at Jita and less elsewhere than the chart showed.
Jita still is bigger than any other location. But Jita by itself is only about 12% of all the production done in eve.
The rest of eve is the other 88% of production.



Production =/= trading volume. It's not surprising at all, although i was expecting a lot less...


The chart at fanfest was a production chart of new eden. Not trading volume.
I believe it was a one month snapshot of all production done in new eden. The only production not shown was off map production like that done in WH space.

It worked like a similar function to the number of pilots curretly docked or active in a system displayed on star map.
But the display selection was 1 month production in tonnage I believe. Might have been isk value not sure now which way the display was set.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-10-07 23:35:30 UTC
Yet another "trade" information request that really only seeks to REMOVE the need to make EFFORT.

These kinds of requests not only "dumb down" the game, but they make it easier for some players to diminish their PARTICIPATION in a game universe that only thrives when people make the effort to participate.

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#13 - 2013-10-08 01:19:17 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Yet another "trade" information request that really only seeks to REMOVE the need to make EFFORT.

These kinds of requests not only "dumb down" the game, but they make it easier for some players to diminish their PARTICIPATION in a game universe that only thrives when people make the effort to participate.



I am really against dumbing down the game, how does a map with production hot spots change the effort for efficient game? its a PVP game, that is supported by an economy, an economy that is not allowed to be broken open for just because people would less participate?

Dont you see other (new) carreer paths and professions? Defending industry complexes, shipping lanes, etc. Eve is supposed a dangerous game. Not a game that allowes marketeers and industrialist to just work spreadsheats and turn rich from a remote position.

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron

-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-10-08 02:13:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Hammer Crendraven
TheSmokingHertog wrote:
Felicity Love wrote:
Yet another "trade" information request that really only seeks to REMOVE the need to make EFFORT.

These kinds of requests not only "dumb down" the game, but they make it easier for some players to diminish their PARTICIPATION in a game universe that only thrives when people make the effort to participate.



I am really against dumbing down the game, how does a map with production hot spots change the effort for efficient game? its a PVP game, that is supported by an economy, an economy that is not allowed to be broken open for just because people would less participate?

Dont you see other (new) carreer paths and professions? Defending industry complexes, shipping lanes, etc. Eve is supposed a dangerous game. Not a game that allowes marketeers and industrialist to just work spreadsheats and turn rich from a remote position.


Personally there is not much to worry about if this becomes public. Because there is no shipping lane or industry complex that shows up. See the data is say it shows tonneage which I think it does. Then that tonneage is spread out all over the map.
It roughly coresponds to where players concentrate which is also where production is higher. Areas where there are few players like a lot of low sec is pretty much without production. So take the eve map and look at where all the current players are located see all of those hot spots all over the map. Same hot spots for production more or less.

Having the map if you are very smart and figure out how to overlay several maps might provide some insight but the map itself is not going to reveal anything to make the game dumbed down in my opinion anyway. As some players have already seen the production map.