Jita Park Speakers Corner

Depends on 2 things: do the cool items provide an advantage in the sandbox and are those people competing in the sandbox? If both answers are yes you can't do that or it isn't a sandbox anymore.

Yes, they are mutually exclusive. CCP built and gave borders to that sandbox, I don't understand how that is particularly worthy of consideration, I expected everyone here to know the sandbox metaphor.

Are you kidding? Not only did Somer get massive ingame valuables which in and of itself is bad for competitors cause the competition is all about wealth. They also were endorsed and called legitimate by CCP which of course is a competitive advantage. Your claim that nobody in the competition is going out of business because of this is rather bold, I'd like to have your psychic abilities.

What does this legal technicality have to do with anything? Are you trying to say if CCP deleted your assets tomorrow because you technically don't own them and they don't like you that would be acceptable?

I like your condescending attitude, but I'm kinda missing the jealousy angle.

The EXACT same thing can be said about tournament prizes. Alliance or otherwise.

And as for your comment about "messing with the sandbox", again, not true. AT rewards don't break the sandbox. Chribba being allowed to have the Veldnaught doesn't break the sandbox. Gnosis battlecruisers don't break the sandbox. Genolution implants... well, you get the point.

So you equate someone at CCP "liking" a corporation enough to give them rare ships with CCP holding a tournament where the objectively determined winners get prizes?

So you equate someone at CCP "liking" a corporation enough to give them rare ships with giving EVERY PLAYER IN THE GAME a holiday gift?

You're in deep, man. But by all means, keep going! If you're persistent enough, CCP might give you a rare ship too!

PvE content hardly dwarfs the AT in regard to how unsandboxy it is, but that is not really significant here (and isn't really themeparkish anyways, though that's another topic). Your contention for the reason this was bad was it's effect on one side of a competition. AT rewards have that same effect. Now you propose that so long as there is a specifically stated framework, unsandboxlike as it is, the effect of those rewards is acceptable. Furthermore a sandbox game's creators should only reward content that is the opposite of intended eve gameplay.

By that logic the next up for unique ship handouts should be miners for excessive complaining about gankers.

No. "Any group who wins the tournament" is the exact opposite of "specific group of players".

You'd have to be more specific, what about my comment isn't true?

Why would they? Anyone can compete. Because the old ones are not obtainable anymore? Yeah, to a degree, see below.

In this case I would actually argue that hisec capitals do somewhat damage the sandbox, especially since they can't get traded anymore. It's just not nearly serious enough for me to care about, one important reason being it was not "Chribba can keep his hisec capital." but rather "Everyone who has a hisec capital can keep it." Plus there are strict rules of what you can't do with them to ensure the influence on the sandbox is small.

Regarding Gnosis and Genolution I guess you mean cause they won't be available in the future (don't remember how the Genolutions were seeded and if it stopped)? Yes those are of course grey areas regarding the sandbox too if some players have legacy items that can't be obtained anymore, but then again it's simply not practical to not change the game at all. In cases where the legacy items are perceived to have noticeable impact this is regularly discussed (e.g. T2 BPOs).

I'm not trying to fight every tiny piece of unsandboxiness that's in the game, but favouritism towards a specific group is a massive blow to the sandbox and furthermore it's completely unnecessary.

They are completely different.

For example would you be happy if they suddenly gave 200 carriers to Goonswarm for their contributions to the community? or how about some T2 BPOs.

Or how about CCP gave them some limited items that sold for hundreds of billions which they then decided to sell and buy those T2 BPOs or Carriers with?

Giving rewards to a specific group is a lot different to giving everyone the same thing or giving the AT tournament winners a ship, especially as they have to pay for entry.

It does mean "specific group of players". PvP pilots. It doesn't do anything for market characters, miners, industrialists, etc. CCP does this to promote PvP, and they reward the people who do PvP in that context accordingly.



But it's not "everyone". It's just Chribba.



The context of those BPOs needs to be taken into account. First of all, the items involved could not be easily replicated at that stage in the game. It wasn't "oh, have a few BPOs", it was "Here, how about I (I being a dev) help you corner an entire market in exchange for a director's position for my alt." There was quid pro quo involved. Not just a donation. Huge, huge difference there.



It's not really favoritism. It's a promotional item. It just happens to be a fairly big one, as opposed to say, Quafe Catalysts. That's the first reason people are upset. Because it's expensive. The second reason is all the sneaking around. Which is the only one I give credence to, but considering how CCP is, this is more or less just worthy, as Malcanis mentioned.

Well it's the referees' game so they can give points where-everrr~ they want

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Well, I am pro Goon, so I would be rather happy. It would still be wrong however.

But the difference between a usable ship of war, like a Carrier, and a ship spinning **** trophy like an Ishukur Scorpion is vast indeed.

The fact that you equate the two is ludicrous.

Also, I am not entirely sure the dev tools can seed capitals, as their system is, to the best of my knowledge, an extension of the plugin that is used for gift redemption, and requires a station to be used.

So this is what the CSM has become, as shown by the current vocal members :

- It's anothere PR avenue / tool for CCP, which provides The Eve community with standarised and formatted answers, in case they mess up, like they seriously have done so.

- The vocal CSM members are simply in the CSM for themselves. They do not care or represent anyone. They are init just for the known / unknown goodies they can get, both in and out of game.

- They only care about their own personal interests.

- They are simply CCP's puppets.

CCP, how low will you stoop to? You release your "CSM / PR" machine to try to ease anothere PR mess you have once again created, before you decide to make an official statement about this mess, ( if you ever do ).

I do not know about the other CSM members, but their silence, on this matter, is, to me, suspicious.

Maybe the time has come to also rethink if the Eve community needs a CSM at all, cause the current vocal members seem to be CCP Puppets and so out of touch with the community concerning SomerGate.