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Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1261 - 2013-10-07 18:47:28 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:


Stratios has larger drone bay
Stratios has a larger Cargo Bay.
Stratios can utilize covert cloaks.
Stratios has better fittings.
Stratios has better capacitor.
Stratios gets role bonuses to Exploration (Scanning, Hacking, Analyzing)
Stratios has a 4%/level to Armor resists compared to a 5% drone velocity and tracking bonus.
Stratios has one less low, for an extra low and an extra high.

NVexor gets 25% more armor and hull.
NVexor has 25% faster base speed, but unsure how it will compare in mwd velocity.


TBH, doesn't this new ship pretty much obsolete the Navy Vexor?



stratios will probably be a lot more expensive. will be fun to fly it as a cloaky sentry sniper.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1262 - 2013-10-07 18:52:32 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Hungry Eyes wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:


Stratios has larger drone bay
Stratios has a larger Cargo Bay.
Stratios can utilize covert cloaks.
Stratios has better fittings.
Stratios has better capacitor.
Stratios gets role bonuses to Exploration (Scanning, Hacking, Analyzing)
Stratios has a 4%/level to Armor resists compared to a 5% drone velocity and tracking bonus.
Stratios has one less low, for an extra low and an extra high.

NVexor gets 25% more armor and hull.
NVexor has 25% faster base speed, but unsure how it will compare in mwd velocity.


TBH, doesn't this new ship pretty much obsolete the Navy Vexor?



stratios will probably be a lot more expensive. will be fun to fly it as a cloaky sentry sniper.


Different ships different roles really, both are capable in their own way.I love the navy vexor, it is my ship of choice, glad to be able to have this one for exploration once Ccp rise has cast his magic wand over it, Hope to use both (if I can afford it)

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Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1263 - 2013-10-07 18:56:40 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
5 bonused large drones and 4 unbonused turrets on the Stratios is basically the same damage output as the Ishtar, but the Stratios has nearly 50% more HP and the resists aren't much lower if you have Amarr Cruiser trained to 5. The Stratios also has much higher agility than the Ishtar, a bigger drone bay, and other stats a close match with the Ishtar, and with the same slot layout. Powergrid and CPU are higher on the Stratios, though that can be for fitting lasers and cloaking devices/expanded probe launchers.

All in all, it looks like the Stratios if left unchanged may usurp the Ishtar and become a superior Heavy Assault Ship for both hit-and-run tactics as well as toe-to-toe action. I would consider reducing the Stratios' drone bandwidth to 50mbit/sec. That's plenty of bandwidth for blowing up anom rats, especially with the turrets you may also have fit. It also leaves a lot more room for alternate drone types when a pilot doesn't feel obligated to put large drones in. But with a bit lower damage output than other cruisers, it will be decent in combat but not something you'd normally use as an ambush craft.

Food for thought.



some more food for you. Ishtar can run 8/10's, while this thing cant. t2 resists >>> resist bonus on t1. Ishtar can lock and snipe targets from like 90km no problem.

i do like that the stratios will not have to rely on mwd + cloak trick with its cov ops cloak, which is always hella risky in nullsec. i dunno, i think both ships will have their strengths and weaknesses. while strat wont be able to run harder combat plexes, it'll be able to do other exploration sites while being stealthier.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1264 - 2013-10-07 19:00:09 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
some more food for you. Ishtar can run 8/10's, while this thing cant. t2 resists >>> resist bonus on t1. Ishtar can lock and snipe targets from like 90km no problem.

i do like that the stratios will not have to rely on mwd + cloak trick with its cov ops cloak, which is always hella risky in nullsec. i dunno, i think both ships will have their strengths and weaknesses. while strat wont be able to run harder combat plexes, it'll be able to do other exploration sites while being stealthier. [/quote]


+1

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1265 - 2013-10-07 19:32:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
Hungry Eyes wrote:
can anyone explain to me why i should be flying that frigate instead of my Helios?

cruiser looks fun. renders my Ishtar obsolete. u guys think it will be very expensive? hopefully not more than 200mill.



In now way does it make Ishtar obsolete.

Stratios doesn't have the range bonuses

Ishtar
Quote:

Gallente Cruiser skill bonus per level:
7.5% Heavy Drone max velocity and tracking speed
10% Drone hitpoints and damage

Heavy Assault Cruisers skill bonus per level:
5km Drone operation range
7.5% Sentry Drone optimal range and tracking speed

Role Bonus:
50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty



That is kind of important.

Not to mention lock ranges 55km to Ishtar's 80km....and oddly all of these "OP fits" are lacking SeBos.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1266 - 2013-10-07 19:37:55 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Hungry Eyes wrote:
can anyone explain to me why i should be flying that frigate instead of my Helios?

cruiser looks fun. renders my Ishtar obsolete. u guys think it will be very expensive? hopefully not more than 200mill.



In now way does it make Ishtar obsolete.

Stratios doesn't have the range bonuses

Ishtar
Quote:

Gallente Cruiser skill bonus per level:
7.5% Heavy Drone max velocity and tracking speed
10% Drone hitpoints and damage

Heavy Assault Cruisers skill bonus per level:
5km Drone operation range
7.5% Sentry Drone optimal range and tracking speed

Role Bonus:
50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty



That is kind of important.

Not to mention lock ranges 55km to Ishtar's 80km....and oddly all of these "OP fits" are lacking SeBos.

What do you need SeBos for when you have the microwarp bump out of align trickRoll
Good points.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1267 - 2013-10-07 19:45:42 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:

The Frigates does not need +10 either.


You do make a point here, but I included the +10 to satisfy the more exploration-centric audience, as the frigate is angled more towards exploration and less towards combat than the cruiser.

I would like the frigate, however, to be able to blitz Level 1 and 2 missions and low level complexes in low or null space - it would fit in with SoE being explorers and humanitarians.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1268 - 2013-10-07 20:00:28 UTC
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:

The Frigates does not need +10 either.


You do make a point here, but I included the +10 to satisfy the more exploration-centric audience, as the frigate is angled more towards exploration and less towards combat than the cruiser.

I would like the frigate, however, to be able to blitz Level 1 and 2 missions and low level complexes in low or null space - it would fit in with SoE being explorers and humanitarians.

You already know if you give 1 a +10 people will cry for the other to have it also. There is no doubt in my mind that these will be able to blitz level 1-2 missions and low end rated and unrated complexes.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1269 - 2013-10-07 20:30:45 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:

The Frigates does not need +10 either.


You do make a point here, but I included the +10 to satisfy the more exploration-centric audience, as the frigate is angled more towards exploration and less towards combat than the cruiser.

I would like the frigate, however, to be able to blitz Level 1 and 2 missions and low level complexes in low or null space - it would fit in with SoE being explorers and humanitarians.

You already know if you give 1 a +10 people will cry for the other to have it also. There is no doubt in my mind that these will be able to blitz level 1-2 missions and low end rated and unrated complexes.


You still persist in your campaign to make the new exploration ships unsuitable for exploration.
You have already been reported for using multiple identities to try to force your views through on this issue, and to manipulate the decision.
I thought having been found out, you would have realised your credibility in this matter was zero.

This user has been reported for using multiple identities to spam this thread. The accounts have posted repeatedly with the intention of giving the impression that a number of people hold a similar view.This has been passed to CCP for action.


Ccp please ensure these Exploration ships are capable of doing relic and data sites in all areas, high,low, and null including wormholes.
Please provide them with a ship bonus of at least +10 Virus strength.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1270 - 2013-10-07 21:19:35 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:

The Frigates does not need +10 either.


You do make a point here, but I included the +10 to satisfy the more exploration-centric audience, as the frigate is angled more towards exploration and less towards combat than the cruiser.

I would like the frigate, however, to be able to blitz Level 1 and 2 missions and low level complexes in low or null space - it would fit in with SoE being explorers and humanitarians.

You already know if you give 1 a +10 people will cry for the other to have it also. There is no doubt in my mind that these will be able to blitz level 1-2 missions and low end rated and unrated complexes.


You still persist in your campaign to make the new exploration ships unsuitable for exploration.
You have already been reported for using multiple identities to try to force your views through on this issue, and to manipulate the decision.
I thought having been found out, you would have realised your credibility in this matter was zero.

This user has been reported for using multiple identities to spam this thread. The accounts have posted repeatedly with the intention of giving the impression that a number of people hold a similar view.This has been passed to CCP for action.


Ccp please ensure these Exploration ships are capable of doing relic and data sites in all areas, high,low, and null including wormholes.
Please provide them with a ship bonus of at least +10 Virus strength.

If your accusation was true it would have been dealt with be now, ISS had been through threads, which means they have read the reports. I have not been ban from the forums and neither has Beau(?). Quit posting those false accusations or I will and have the right to report you for harassment.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1271 - 2013-10-07 21:29:23 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:

The Frigates does not need +10 either.


You do make a point here, but I included the +10 to satisfy the more exploration-centric audience, as the frigate is angled more towards exploration and less towards combat than the cruiser.

I would like the frigate, however, to be able to blitz Level 1 and 2 missions and low level complexes in low or null space - it would fit in with SoE being explorers and humanitarians.

You already know if you give 1 a +10 people will cry for the other to have it also. There is no doubt in my mind that these will be able to blitz level 1-2 missions and low end rated and unrated complexes.


You still persist in your campaign to make the new exploration ships unsuitable for exploration.
You have already been reported for using multiple identities to try to force your views through on this issue, and to manipulate the decision.
I thought having been found out, you would have realised your credibility in this matter was zero.

This user has been reported for using multiple identities to spam this thread. The accounts have posted repeatedly with the intention of giving the impression that a number of people hold a similar view.This has been passed to CCP for action.


Ccp please ensure these Exploration ships are capable of doing relic and data sites in all areas, high,low, and null including wormholes.
Please provide them with a ship bonus of at least +10 Virus strength.

If your accusation was true it would have been dealt with be now, ISS had been through threads, which means they have read the reports. I have not been ban from the forums and neither has Beau(?). Quit posting those false accusations or I will and have the right to report you for harassment.



Forum rules prevent the discussion of results and contacts from the moderators,such a serious breach would require thorough investigation to ensure that all players are treated fairly.
I am sure the moderators will advise you of their findings at a time of their choosing
Very best regards.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1272 - 2013-10-07 21:40:35 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
The Frigates does not need +10 either. A covert ops frigate cant solo a 3/10 complex.


I've explained this before, +5 virus strength means nullsec exploration is impossible without V skills. 80 coherence/25 strength is not capable of hacking mainframes unless you get absurdly lucky. You can't even bash down one firewall and the system core. If you nerf all the frigates down to +5 strength the vast majority of eve can no longer explore in nullsec at all.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1273 - 2013-10-07 21:47:21 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Xequecal wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
The Frigates does not need +10 either. A covert ops frigate cant solo a 3/10 complex.


I've explained this before, +5 virus strength means nullsec exploration is impossible without V skills. 80 coherence/25 strength is not capable of hacking mainframes unless you get absurdly lucky. You can't even bash down one firewall and the system core. If you nerf all the frigates down to +5 strength the vast majority of eve can no longer explore in nullsec at all.


I agree with you 100 percent, thank heavens there are some who stand up to this crazyness.

I know i know, it is so painful having to explain the same thing again and again.
Tiring isn't it, same posts same person/identities time after time trying to kill these ships for exploration.

I would love to dump him/these people( yeah right) in null in a imicus with 5 proteuses hunting him/them down,and tell him/them he/they can't leave until he /they can get 50% of the cans in a site.

But hey he/they will have everything to v analysers II and a T3 so what does he/they care about anyone else.He/they wants to protect his/their income and be a special little snowflake..... Or he/they may have other reasons...... Couldn't say,

Note if i missed any for he substitute he/they while waiting to the Ccp response on the result of the multiple identity spamming report. Want to be fair now.

CCP Make these ships Exploration ships, +10 Virus strength please.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1274 - 2013-10-07 22:15:36 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
The Frigates does not need +10 either. A covert ops frigate cant solo a 3/10 complex.


I've explained this before, +5 virus strength means nullsec exploration is impossible without V skills. 80 coherence/25 strength is not capable of hacking mainframes unless you get absurdly lucky. You can't even bash down one firewall and the system core. If you nerf all the frigates down to +5 strength the vast majority of eve can no longer explore in nullsec at all.

Why do you feel you should be able to do higher end sites without T2 equipment?

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#1275 - 2013-10-07 22:18:32 UTC
Reading a lot of the concerns over drone DPS I have to say I share some of them. However as has been pointed out, the DPS is needed for 6/10's in low sec. And to be able to PvP effectively also.

So.... If 5 Heavy/Sentry drones are an issue due to drone assist mechanics meaning a ship with a bonus to decloaking lock times can be used with drone assist. Then reduce drone DPS but increase gun DPS significantly. That way the Stratios has to apply it's own DPS. Not assist it out. Meaning 6 seconds delay before it can start locking stays mostly intact. And 2-3 seconds lock time then occurs also.

So a rough 10 seconds before meaningful gun DPS can be applied is going to be a fairly true statement generally.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1276 - 2013-10-07 22:18:36 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Re explorer ships being able to explore, Basically, .........nope trolling, i'm not biting.



CCP Make these ships Exploration ships, +10 Virus strength please.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1277 - 2013-10-07 22:20:47 UTC
Also, the covert ops frigates' vastly improved warp speed over the Stratios is more than enough of an advantage. T3s suck ass for exploration for the same reason, you waste way too much time warping around.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1278 - 2013-10-07 22:25:22 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Xequecal wrote:
Also, the covert ops frigates' vastly improved warp speed over the Stratios is more than enough of an advantage. T3s suck ass for exploration for the same reason, you waste way too much time warping around.

Relic/data bonuses were bolted onto the covert ops anyway IIRC to give them something else to do to make them a bit more useful, never designed as exploration ships,still due their rebalance too.
The new warp changes will make them even faster... Zoom
Asteros and stratios CCP Make these ships Exploration ships, +10 Virus strength please.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1279 - 2013-10-07 22:35:41 UTC
I will ask again for those who want the +10, why do you feel you should be able to do high end sites without T2 equipment?

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1280 - 2013-10-07 22:37:57 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I will ask again for those who want the +10, why do you feel you should be able to do high end sites without T2 equipment?



Explorers, oops still trolling. Sorry i started to answer for the hundredth time.

Asteros and stratios CCP Make these ships Exploration ships, +10 Virus strength please.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE