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The only reason this persists is CCP wants people to buy alts. However, for every alt they sell with their command links there are a bunch of people who think this sucks that we have to dual box alts in order to be competitive in this game. Now with t2 command links this will really suck for people who don't like to dual box alts.

And for those who say you need to scan down the boosters give me a break. Even if you were to redirect your attention from the pvp fight to try to start scanning the alt out, the alt boosters are aligned ready to warp out as soon as you show up on grid.

Increasing these bonuses without forcing the ships to at least be on grid is obviously a bad direction for the game.

The balance between the two is already there: T3 have much less tank than command ships. If the booster was required to be on-grid, the command ships would be better for multiple links, while T3s could use one or two links while still having tank/gank capability.

this gets a - from me, theres no reasno to break this legitmate mechanic. It would make command ships in capital fights completly usless. Becuase you would be for all intense and purposes OWNED as soon as you came on grid to give your captial ships boosts

This all comes down to one simple fact. If any ship is giving bonuses to other ships in a fight then that ship should be required to be IN the fight. No ship participating in PvP combat should be completely immune from being killed. This means no warping around the system or hiding in a POS. You cant target another ship and fire from within a POS. Why should you be able to give bonuses from within one? Same goes for warping or even sitting still in another part of the system. Command links can effectively do more damage than the ship itself could by firing its own guns. Depends on how many other ships they are giving bonuses to. So if you want to let Command ships to continue to give bonuses without participating in the fight directly then I expect to be able to target and kill any ship within a POS and I expect to be able to do the same from within a POS.

If POS were complicated, demanding, expensive and required player skill to set up then yes, most definitely, the owners deserve the <2 days worth of absolute immunity for their links .... not the case though .. and now POS are getting dumbed down to boot.

You done a lot of combat probing after the change? Sure, it is theoretically doable provided you have maxed skills and/or implants + sisters gear .. if the T3 has deep'ish safe spots you are screwed though as it will take ages to get anywhere near it.
If range was limited to <1-2AU or so then "they can be probed!!!!1111" would be a very valid argument, but that is also not the case/

Just brain farted some alternate ways of 'handling' it:
- Cheap, readily available and easily fitted/run module that blocks all communications from off-grid. Hard counter to off-grid links.
- Link interference #1. Disables the use of directional scanner while links are active, cycle time increased to two minutes to prevent rapid cycling/scanning.
- Link interference #2. Active links disrupt shield harmonics causing POS bubbles to "harden" making them impassable by everyone but the link ship, any ship inside will be bounced as if the PW was changed (should open door for some quality laughs/griefing).

I have only three words for this proposition. NO ******* WAY!

I can see where you are coming from and this is the same attitude almost everyone has towards supercaps and CO. which is understandable but it pisses me off most of the time. If I can't do it then no one else should. I for one run exploration sites and I use an offgrid boosting alt. This proposition requires me to fly 2 accs at the same time just to get bonuses so whoever wants to gank me can get the advantage. NO ******* WAY!

You're already flying two accounts to get the bonuses, the only difference is they now both require attention.

If someone's genuinely not paying attention to their 800M ISK ship, then you're looking at an easy kill.

Bring a dictor, because you may have noticed those skirmish mindlinks going past the 100M mark lately.

I'm against it.

Why: Because:
1) this request is a "I want you to play eve the way i play it" request
2) it will affect Missionrunners, Miners and Incursion players as well.

You did not answer my questions so I will take it you admit it does not dumb down the game to require link ships to be on grid. In fact its pretty brainless when they are not on grid at a safe. However I will still answer yours because they are easy.

1) It can work but it's work should not directly influence a battle that is happening on grid.
2) Yes and I am not suggesting we remove every reason to build a pos.
3) Yes it has a counter. The counter is the immersion breaking “eve is a chore” option of dragging an alt around yourself and multiboxing your combat so you can compete. That option sucks. The other “counters” don't work well as explained above.



No I am saying everyone seems to agree that no one really uses these ships with their main. People who use them are multi-boxing. I am saying that, for me and many others, that completely breaks the immersion of this game and makes it more of a chore than fun.

CCP is now boosting these alts with new tech 2 links wich will make a bad situation worse, for everyone who just wants to have some fun with eve and not treat it as a job. After the bonuses people who do not have these alts will simply not be competitive and so will not engage in pvp.

Yes I realize that ccp likely thinks it would be great to force everyone who wants to be competitive to pay for an additional account and multibox pvp. However, I think this is very short sighted. I for one refuse to do this in pvp. Now that these links are so damn powerful I may not be able to pvp any longer at least not solo like I normally do.

Moreover I bet allot of people who keep dragging these alts around will get tired of eve as well. Sure not all of them. There are a few in this game that are such drones they would do anything regardless of how tiresome and lame. But there will be more than a few who get sick of it . Yet they will still realize that if they don’t others will have a huge advantage in pvp and therefore they will burn out.

You think flying ships on grid during a pvp battle is tedious??