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Princess Bride
SharkNado
#161 - 2013-10-07 15:10:21 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Whatever. I'm done talking about this.


LOL

Always funny to see a CSM get rolled in the forums. As the only function of a CSM is to talk about such issues (and drink black death and eat rotten shark on my sub dollar) does this mean you're stepping down? I don't see much point of you being a CSM if you're going to play the "This conversation is OVER because I SAID SO" card.

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#162 - 2013-10-07 15:12:42 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Whatever. I'm done talking about this.


LOL

Always funny to see a CSM get rolled in the forums. As the only function of a CSM is to talk about such issues (and drink black death and eat rotten shark on my sub dollar) does this mean you're stepping down? I don't see much point of you being a CSM if you're going to play the "This conversation is OVER because I SAID SO" card.

ccp couldn't have done better themselves

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RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#163 - 2013-10-07 15:26:30 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Whatever. I'm done talking about this.


LOL

Always funny to see a CSM get rolled in the forums. As the only function of a CSM is to talk about such issues (and drink black death and eat rotten shark on my sub dollar) does this mean you're stepping down? I don't see much point of you being a CSM if you're going to play the "This conversation is OVER because I SAID SO" card.



If your not doing everything you can to rip off CCP then your playing the game wrong because they obviously care more about their friends who run sites like somer blink then they do about us plebs who fork over a sub every month with our hard earned cash. Dont worry though Dust is still free to play LMAO what the F happened at CCP over the last 2 years did they start handing out Stupid pills before all meetings? Did they hire some docuhe bags from EA (oh **** they really did that my bad.)

Signatured removed, CCP Phantom
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#164 - 2013-10-07 15:29:55 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Din Chao wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Which T2 BPOs were created and purposed as community awards with no intrinsic value of their own?

Malcanis claims not to be mindless defender of CCP, yet directly quotes CCP retcon in attempt to mindlesly defend CCP.

The IshuScorps were not created as community awards. They were created to be sold for profit on the NEX store, right next to the CCP Kool-Aid.


1) They were repurposed as special award ships. I don't recall any wailing and whining about that, do you.

2) Ships to be sold hardly constitute special magical ships that shouldn't be given away grr grr



The problem is a "special award" that happens to be worth 10-20 billion isk then its not so much a "special award" and more a "special advantage." CCP *could* give out special awards that don't come with any resale value ... hey guess what, both you and I have one of those Malcanis ... its a special CSM medal :)


The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#165 - 2013-10-07 15:35:49 UTC
Money Makin Mitch wrote:
wow. simply, wow. Malcanis, you were one of my favorite CSM dudes. I have given your posts a lot of likes. I never expected this kind of behavior from you Sad


Corruption is a hell of a drug.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#166 - 2013-10-07 15:38:53 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Money Makin Mitch wrote:
wow. simply, wow. Malcanis, you were one of my favorite CSM dudes. I have given your posts a lot of likes. I never expected this kind of behavior from you Sad


Corruption is a hell of a drug.

Can I have some

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#167 - 2013-10-07 15:50:58 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I take back what I said about wanting you to run again for CSM.

I've agreed with you about a lot of things, Malcanis. But on the one thing that really matters, you inexplicably chose the wrong crowd to side with.


Whatever. I'm done talking about this.

I really can't decide whether to laugh at this or cry.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#168 - 2013-10-07 15:54:45 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I take back what I said about wanting you to run again for CSM.

I've agreed with you about a lot of things, Malcanis. But on the one thing that really matters, you inexplicably chose the wrong crowd to side with.


Whatever. I'm done talking about this.

I really can't decide whether to laugh at this or cry.


For me, an obvious choice. If I cry, the tears may be licked up and enjoyed. I could also begin to realize that the only way to not pay a CSM to give me the finger is to unsub.

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
#169 - 2013-10-07 15:59:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
Malcanis wrote:
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Malcanis:

Suppose CCP gave every director of Goonswarm Federation about 10 PLEX each for their contributions to the sandbox.
This comes out to, very roughly, 300 billion ISK worth of PLEX being given directly to the command staff of the largest alliance in the game.
Since PLEX doesn't refine to anything, has no intrinsic value aside from what players assign to it, and since our leadership is already ridiculously wealthy, you should have no problem with this, right? After all CCP has a right to reward its content creators.


We've now got two CSMs on the record doing their mealy-mouthed best to distinguish this from T20. Follow along with the fun!

"It's okay for CCP to favor in game corporations for being successful, they just can't be secret about it!"

"The in game corporations CCP is favoring don't even really need the help!"

"The gifts being given by CCP to favored in game corporations aren't as valuable as they could be! They could be worth way more!"

"It's CCP's game and they can do what they want!"

Honestly, the exact same defenses raised by a rare couple of scrubs over the T20 incident. There are ONLY two real differences between these recent situations and the T20 scandal.

1) all of CCP is behind this, not a rogue employee (how does that make it better?)

2) this time, the player base is apparently a lot more willing to look the other way (granted, some of the defenders were already given secret ship rewards)



1) CCP have been giving special award ships for a long, long time. Why is it suddenly a problem now

2) If you seriously need to ask what the difference is between CCP making a legitimate decision and 1 rogue employee directly breaking company policy then all I can ask is that you grow up, get a job and see how life actually works. I can't be bothered to talk to naive children.


1) wait . . . the fact that they've been doing it in secret for a long time makes it legitimate? Are you serious?

2) I can't believe this: you're honestly saying that if T20 had been corporate CCP policy you would have been okay with it. Good for you? (also, personal attacks, really? I not only have a job, I not only see how life actually works on a daily basis . . . you know what, whatever, not sinking to your level bud).

EDIT: Ahh, I see that you are "done with this" now. Given what your stance would have been back when BoB was getting preferential treatment, and that your only "objection" to this whole situation was form (keeping it secret) over substance (giving away assets to favored corps) I don't think you'll have to worry about a second term as CSM. The characters who actually vote in EVE have good memories.

I am not an alt of Chribba.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#170 - 2013-10-07 16:00:47 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I take back what I said about wanting you to run again for CSM.

I've agreed with you about a lot of things, Malcanis. But on the one thing that really matters, you inexplicably chose the wrong crowd to side with.


Whatever. I'm done talking about this.

I really can't decide whether to laugh at this or cry.

You've been owned by the ccp pr textbook.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#171 - 2013-10-07 16:01:22 UTC
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Malcanis:

Suppose CCP gave every director of Goonswarm Federation about 10 PLEX each for their contributions to the sandbox.
This comes out to, very roughly, 300 billion ISK worth of PLEX being given directly to the command staff of the largest alliance in the game.
Since PLEX doesn't refine to anything, has no intrinsic value aside from what players assign to it, and since our leadership is already ridiculously wealthy, you should have no problem with this, right? After all CCP has a right to reward its content creators.


We've now got two CSMs on the record doing their mealy-mouthed best to distinguish this from T20. Follow along with the fun!

"It's okay for CCP to favor in game corporations for being successful, they just can't be secret about it!"

"The in game corporations CCP is favoring don't even really need the help!"

"The gifts being given by CCP to favored in game corporations aren't as valuable as they could be! They could be worth way more!"

"It's CCP's game and they can do what they want!"

Honestly, the exact same defenses raised by a rare couple of scrubs over the T20 incident. There are ONLY two real differences between these recent situations and the T20 scandal.

1) all of CCP is behind this, not a rogue employee (how does that make it better?)

2) this time, the player base is apparently a lot more willing to look the other way (granted, some of the defenders were already given secret ship rewards)



1) CCP have been giving special award ships for a long, long time. Why is it suddenly a problem now

2) If you seriously need to ask what the difference is between CCP making a legitimate decision and 1 rogue employee directly breaking company policy then all I can ask is that you grow up, get a job and see how life actually works. I can't be bothered to talk to naive children.


1) wait . . . the fact that they've been doing it in secret for a long time makes it legitimate? Are you serious?

2) I can't believe this: you're honestly saying that if T20 had been corporate CCP policy you would have been okay with it. Good for you?

He's undoubtedly serious. Maybe we can find a gm to confirm that he is 100% serious for us

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
#172 - 2013-10-07 16:06:37 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Malcanis:

Suppose CCP gave every director of Goonswarm Federation about 10 PLEX each for their contributions to the sandbox.
This comes out to, very roughly, 300 billion ISK worth of PLEX being given directly to the command staff of the largest alliance in the game.
Since PLEX doesn't refine to anything, has no intrinsic value aside from what players assign to it, and since our leadership is already ridiculously wealthy, you should have no problem with this, right? After all CCP has a right to reward its content creators.


We've now got two CSMs on the record doing their mealy-mouthed best to distinguish this from T20. Follow along with the fun!

"It's okay for CCP to favor in game corporations for being successful, they just can't be secret about it!"

"The in game corporations CCP is favoring don't even really need the help!"

"The gifts being given by CCP to favored in game corporations aren't as valuable as they could be! They could be worth way more!"

"It's CCP's game and they can do what they want!"

Honestly, the exact same defenses raised by a rare couple of scrubs over the T20 incident. There are ONLY two real differences between these recent situations and the T20 scandal.

1) all of CCP is behind this, not a rogue employee (how does that make it better?)

2) this time, the player base is apparently a lot more willing to look the other way (granted, some of the defenders were already given secret ship rewards)



1) CCP have been giving special award ships for a long, long time. Why is it suddenly a problem now

2) If you seriously need to ask what the difference is between CCP making a legitimate decision and 1 rogue employee directly breaking company policy then all I can ask is that you grow up, get a job and see how life actually works. I can't be bothered to talk to naive children.


1) wait . . . the fact that they've been doing it in secret for a long time makes it legitimate? Are you serious?

2) I can't believe this: you're honestly saying that if T20 had been corporate CCP policy you would have been okay with it. Good for you?

He's undoubtedly serious. Maybe we can find a gm to confirm that he is 100% serious for us


Is he a puppet, or is he doing this of his own free-but-misguided will? Is he flying a BlinkScorp right now?

I am not an alt of Chribba.
Kate stark
#173 - 2013-10-07 16:07:28 UTC
Malcanis' reaction is really strange. he's not usually so oblivious to such an obvious issue. strange.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#174 - 2013-10-07 16:10:34 UTC
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:

We've now got two CSMs on the record doing their mealy-mouthed best to distinguish this from T20. Follow along with the fun!

"It's okay for CCP to favor in game corporations for being successful, they just can't be secret about it!"

"The in game corporations CCP is favoring don't even really need the help!"

"The gifts being given by CCP to favored in game corporations aren't as valuable as they could be! They could be worth way more!"

"It's CCP's game and they can do what they want!"

Honestly, the exact same defenses raised by a rare couple of scrubs over the T20 incident. There are ONLY two real differences between these recent situations and the T20 scandal.

1) all of CCP is behind this, not a rogue employee (how does that make it better?)

2) this time, the player base is apparently a lot more willing to look the other way (granted, some of the defenders were already given secret ship rewards)



1) CCP have been giving special award ships for a long, long time. Why is it suddenly a problem now

2) If you seriously need to ask what the difference is between CCP making a legitimate decision and 1 rogue employee directly breaking company policy then all I can ask is that you grow up, get a job and see how life actually works. I can't be bothered to talk to naive children.


1) wait . . . the fact that they've been doing it in secret for a long time makes it legitimate? Are you serious?

2) I can't believe this: you're honestly saying that if T20 had been corporate CCP policy you would have been okay with it. Good for you?

He's undoubtedly serious. Maybe we can find a gm to confirm that he is 100% serious for us


Is he a puppet, or is he doing this of his own free-but-misguided will? Is he flying a BlinkScorp right now?

“Please do not immediately run to the forums and WTS the ship, 30 of them appearing all at once would be weird,”
"we don't want to mess up that future relationship-- Navigator has already offered to help promote our events in the future.”

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#175 - 2013-10-07 16:11:22 UTC
also how would i know, they've given out secretly

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Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#176 - 2013-10-07 16:15:55 UTC
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:
Is he a puppet, or is he doing this of his own free-but-misguided will? Is he flying a BlinkScorp right now?

Probably could not answer directly without invoking the NDA stance...
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#177 - 2013-10-07 16:19:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Dear CSM,

"Lieber mit dem Volk irren, als gegen das Volk Recht behalten."
- Dr. Bruno Kreisky

Translates roughly to:
Better be mistaken alongside the people,
than being right against them.
Kate stark
#178 - 2013-10-07 16:21:10 UTC
sadly maclanis is neither correct, nor with us.

which is a shame. then again, since malcanis seems to have missed the point by a country mile it's hard to judge if he's right or not.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#179 - 2013-10-07 16:23:51 UTC
Guttripper wrote:
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:
Is he a puppet, or is he doing this of his own free-but-misguided will? Is he flying a BlinkScorp right now?

Probably could not answer directly without invoking the NDA stance...

Oooh I get it

In the future all hidden giveaways come with an NDA, that will prevent such scandal from occurring again

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#180 - 2013-10-07 16:25:33 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
sadly maclanis is neither correct, nor with us.

which is a shame. then again, since malcanis seems to have missed the point by a country mile it's hard to judge if he's right or not.
What baffles me a bit is the obvious disconnection with the people.
Seriously, we don't need reallife politician behaviour here.

A fair amount of people display their concern and although i personally don't care
about the issue per se, the peoples voice is what counts.