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The Alt of an L4 Pilot

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Jinora
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-11-15 14:46:52 UTC
Hello! I'm the alt of an L4 pilot, who does the missions pretty well (solo 10-20 minutes - without travel). My main flies a Domi that is completly fitted for drones. Just something a friend gave me that has worked VERY well. Now that hybrids are being looked at, I believe my fit will be a bit weird; but for the most part, you get the picture.

[Dominix Navy Issue, something something something]

Small 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Small 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Drone Navigation Computer I

Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

So the problem....
I'm an alt that is basically just mining Veld, when I'm bored on my main. I thought, since I'm already a mining director/foreman, that I would just specialize in something leadership; since we could all use a good leader or two.... right? Well my dream would be to fly a damnation, and help my main through the L4s, but also give me an alternative to battleships (on my main), in the event that my corp needs me.

So before I can get to damnation (380 days); I'd like to pick something up (2-4 week training) for an inbetween. Currently, I can salvage in a noctis; but to do T2 salvagers, implants, and all the things that go with it, would be a 2 week train. Also, I could do something like logistics; which technically isn't needed, since i kill everything from 50-110k before it reaches me. Another thought I had was the possibility of doing a cruiser/battle cruiser (3-4 week training); with a bit of leadership; however, would require some microing in the missions (not as much as a noctis).

Does anyone have any recommendations? May be I should look at buying another alt to fill this void; and keep this guy strictly to mining/boosting ops?

Anyhow; here's my skill sheet:
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Jinora


Alaik
Lucifer's Hammer
A Band Apart.
#2 - 2011-11-15 15:32:52 UTC
You really don't need T2 salvagers to be useful in a noctis. A simple T1 fit to clean up a pocket while your main blasts stuff in the next one takes hours to train, not days/weeks.
Gronn
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-11-15 17:43:48 UTC
I have a Noctis alt for my mission runner. I'd suggest ORE Industrial 3 or 4 since you're only at 1. As the poster above me stated. you only need T1 salvagers.
Jive
Reclamation Fighters Group PLC
#4 - 2011-11-15 22:52:55 UTC
Noctis with ORE Indy to 4, 5 tractors & 3 T1 salvagers plus a couple of salvage rigs and it rips through those wrecks nicely.
drdxie
#5 - 2011-11-15 23:49:16 UTC
I would train ore indust up to 4, makes a noticable difference, Energy Systems Operation to 5surprised you don't have it already, Large projectile turrets to 3. Then get an arty fit Maelstrom and dual box with the domi. If the domi tanks you can get by with almost no tank on the maelstrom. Fit it full gank.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#6 - 2011-11-16 00:37:43 UTC
T2 salvagers will get the job done a lot faster, but if you've got other things you need to train they can wait.

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Jinora
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-11-16 13:19:15 UTC
Wow! That's why I asked here guys. I'm such an idiot. I just saw the bonuses from the ORE. Sigh.... what have I been doing with my life. Thanks again.

I guess my question was; is it more beneficial to salvage, or dps. After doing a few runs last night; I've realized salvaging is much more promising. In the mean time I'm going to be training ORE to 4 or 5. Then I'll begin my year long damnation training. Thanks for all the feedback guys.
Jenn Makanen
Doomheim
#8 - 2011-11-16 14:37:54 UTC
Get the basic leadership skills, if you've got both online at the same time. They're all useful, and you don't need to be on grid, just in the same system. Ganglinks aren't needed, though helpful.

And you can use them all from inside your noctis.
Alexander Yukari
The Foundation Of Mammon
#9 - 2011-11-16 14:40:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexander Yukari
Train for T3s if you plan to offgrid boost.

25% bonus on T3s vs 15% bonus on CS to links.

You need to train racial cruiser to 5 for both of them.

Legion can fit 3 armoured warfare links + 2 skirmish, do better job at off-grid boosting than damnation and is easier to train.

All you need is engineering sub 5, defensive sub 5, rest at 1. Compare this to time it takes for CS 5.
drdxie
#10 - 2011-11-16 18:39:27 UTC
Jinora wrote:


I guess my question was; is it more beneficial to salvage, or dps. After doing a few runs last night; I've realized salvaging is much more promising.


I switch depending on the mission, if its something I can do quickly enough, ie not many BS, I will bring alt to salvage. But for the bigger missions I find it far more usefu\effecient to bring the alt in and blow as many of the big things up and then go fetch the noctis while my main finishes off the smaller stuff. I use a cap stable tanky 6launcher tengu on my main so its safe to be able to salvage without micromanaging the tengu.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#11 - 2011-11-16 21:27:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
Jinora wrote:
Hello! I'm the alt of an L4 pilot, ...


Hello! I actually have an alt who does pretty much what you do.

Jinora wrote:
I'm an alt that is basically just mining Veld, when I'm bored on my main. I thought, since I'm already a mining director/foreman, that I would just specialize in something leadership; since we could all use a good leader or two.... right? Well my dream would be to fly a damnation, and help my main through the L4s, but also give me an alternative to battleships (on my main), in the event that my corp needs me.


My alt started off as a mining foreman too. As soon as the Orca came out, she was into one. From there she trained up her leadership skills, to the point that she can now run warfare links for all four disciplines as required. Recently she has graduated into a Tengu, for the purpose of off-grid-boosting Incursion fleets. At present she cannot fly command ships, but I may end up training her to fly them simply because the prerequisite is battlecruisers 5, and there are some very nice battlecruisers coming in Crucible.

Jinora wrote:
So before I can get to damnation (380 days); I'd like to pick something up (2-4 week training) for an inbetween. Currently, I can salvage in a noctis; but to do T2 salvagers, implants, and all the things that go with it, would be a 2 week train.


Training up to use T2 salvagers and ORE Industrial 5 makes salvaging work much easier. I consider it worth the investment of time, though you might want to skip ORE Industrial 5 if you can use the new T2 salvagers coming in Crucible.

One option you seem to have overlooked is to train Jinora to fly a Dominix too. This way you can either run missions together or in parallel.

When it comes to salvaging, prefer to complete a few missions (as many as fit into about 1-and-a-bit hours), abandoning wrecks and bookmarking as I go. Then come back with the Noctis to salvage the wrecks after all the missions are handed in.
Jinora
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-11-17 20:28:31 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Jinora wrote:
Hello! I'm the alt of an L4 pilot, ...


Hello! I actually have an alt who does pretty much what you do.

Jinora wrote:
I'm an alt that is basically just mining Veld, when I'm bored on my main. I thought, since I'm already a mining director/foreman, that I would just specialize in something leadership; since we could all use a good leader or two.... right? Well my dream would be to fly a damnation, and help my main through the L4s, but also give me an alternative to battleships (on my main), in the event that my corp needs me.


My alt started off as a mining foreman too. As soon as the Orca came out, she was into one. From there she trained up her leadership skills, to the point that she can now run warfare links for all four disciplines as required. Recently she has graduated into a Tengu, for the purpose of off-grid-boosting Incursion fleets. At present she cannot fly command ships, but I may end up training her to fly them simply because the prerequisite is battlecruisers 5, and there are some very nice battlecruisers coming in Crucible.

Jinora wrote:
So before I can get to damnation (380 days); I'd like to pick something up (2-4 week training) for an inbetween. Currently, I can salvage in a noctis; but to do T2 salvagers, implants, and all the things that go with it, would be a 2 week train.


Training up to use T2 salvagers and ORE Industrial 5 makes salvaging work much easier. I consider it worth the investment of time, though you might want to skip ORE Industrial 5 if you can use the new T2 salvagers coming in Crucible.

One option you seem to have overlooked is to train Jinora to fly a Dominix too. This way you can either run missions together or in parallel.

When it comes to salvaging, prefer to complete a few missions (as many as fit into about 1-and-a-bit hours), abandoning wrecks and bookmarking as I go. Then come back with the Noctis to salvage the wrecks after all the missions are handed in.


I get a lot done with my main's domi. He's setup with Sentry Drones, so he pretty much destroys everything before it gets into range. A few missions spawn Battleships on top of me, but it's nothing I can handle. I think increasing the mission time itself isn't a priority, but I am interested in this 'off grid' boosting.

That means, in the system, just out of the pocket? Does the Tengu specialize at that or something?
VaMei
Meafi Corp
#13 - 2011-11-17 21:17:13 UTC
Jinora wrote:
I guess my question was; is it more beneficial to salvage, or dps.


There's a lot that goes into answering that, because total mission payout is split between the completion reward (isk & LPs), bounties, and salvage/loot.

The lower the sec of the system you’re in, and the better the relationship you have with your agent (skills & standings) the more your completion reward will be per mission.

The value of the LPs for the corp you're working for will also make a big difference here. Work for the corp with 10,000 mission runners and nothing of value in the LP store, and you'll be selling your LPs for starbase charters.

Also, the value of loot & salvage is different between the various NPCs. In my experience Serpentis drop crap that's barely worth slowing down for, while Angels are little rocket propelled gold mines.

So... in a 0.0 system, getting pirate LPs from an agent & corp you have great standings with, while killing NPCs with crap loot... Break out the steamroller and blitz the missions. Get those LPs and don’t let that trash in your wake slow you down.

OTOH, if you’re getting Angel missions while working out of a 1.0 system grinding generic LPs from an agent you've never talked to working for a corp you have low standing with while you're still lacking basic social skills... kill everything and loot it all. The bounties and the loot will be a big part of your income.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2011-11-17 21:42:41 UTC
As you see above there are lots of options available to you, and many people have faced a similar conundrum ... and responded to it in many different ways.

For my part (tuppence and all that) .....

I started as mission runner, and then gradually moved on to most other roles. So now I can do many things at a middling level but am essentially 'master of none' - except, perhaps, shield and armor logistics where my skills are pretty well maxed-out.

My first alt started life as a hauler / salvager, and then quickly moved to second (now main) DPS deliverer coupled with mining booster skills. That way when we're running sigs / anoms (or missions) he's delivering the bulk of the damage, and when we're mining / harvesting he's in orca running implant / link boosts for us.

Another alt started out as my scanner-guy and then adopted salvager / hacker / analyzer roles. Improving your ore skills does help make things much quicker and T2 salvagers are fantastic ... you rarely need a second cycle to complete. His skills are now perfect for scanning, salvaging, and can-opening ... and I'm steering him towards loki / tengu to add nullifier to his useful 'scout' qualifications.

Another started out as my main miner / industrialist. Once those skills had moved on up to the level I wanted I moved him over to leadership training. So, when we are tackling a tough site (e.g. C4 solo) he's in his background-window vulture running 7 command links to support us, and when we're doing incursions he's either in vulture or damnation, doing much the same depending on fleet type. Tengu, or other t3, may offer better boost amounts but nothing tops a command ship for the sheer range of boosting it can provide offgrid ... perma-running 7-links backed up with (siege in our case) implant. When we are mining he's in hulk (ore), skiff (merc), mackinaw (ice), or hurricane (gas) and receiving boosts from the orca-guy.

Others have various super-specialist roles and are not terribly relevant to your enquiry. Virtually all of my guys can fly covops ... even the most station-bound industrialist sometimes needs to go somewhere during a wardec. Several fly freighters, double-handling yes but I often have ppl in w-space when I need to move a large load around hisec, and several fly blockade runners (probably my nomination for most useful ship-type in eve).

When I am mining I have 1 guy in orca (boosts and hauling), 2 or 3 mining / harvesting, and (if w-space) my scanner guys with deep space probe deployed watching for new K162s or hostile ships.
When I am running tough sites I have 1 guy in vulture providing uber-boosts, 2 delivering DPS, and (if w-space) my scanner guys with deep space probe deployed watching for new K162s or hostile ships.
When I am running lvl4 missions I usually have only myself or my DPS-guy working, either on separate missions or together on the one mission. Both our skills are ok to survive and clear the missions reasonably well without the added hassle of getting the booster-guy out of bed.
When working incursions I usually just offer my maxi-logi skills or the booster-guy, even tho the DPS-guy's skills would be snapped up in fleets. I kinda like running logistics for those fleets, and the DPS-guys seem to appreciate solid reliable logi support.

That is just how I've approached the DPS / booster / salvager side of my fleet of alts ... which may or may not be any use at all to you :-)

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2011-11-18 02:52:53 UTC
Just train him for a Domi/RS too and have him assign drones to you
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Boomhaur
#16 - 2011-11-20 03:11:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Boomhaur
Since your training up BC's to fly a CS pick your Amarr BC of choice and go on anti cruiser/frig support of your mission runner with a ganglink running to boost your stats. It's what I would do, chances are it be a lot less boring and give you more isk/h than flying a noctis to salvage/loot. Though personally I still be looting any juicy targets while I am actively mission whoring so it makes my incentive to come back in a Noctis near zero (not sure how well that work in a non missile boat though)

Just another suggestion which you might like to look into. Good luck with your alt, either way you go I am sure it be a lot more profiting than mining and more fun.

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