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A review of player giveaways with CCP and third party sites

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Juniper Weatherwax
Industrial Waste Removal Services
#721 - 2013-10-06 22:18:10 UTC
Innominate wrote:
Way to miss the point.

The giving away of unique ships IS an issue, but it's not even the main issue.

YOU ARE GIVING A FOR-PROFIT GROUP HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS(now possibly TRILLIONS) OF ISK WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED.

Edit:
I would like to run a promotion, you can send me one (1) coupon good for an all expenses paid trip to fanfest, I promise my winning of my own lottery will be entirely fair and well accounted for.


I will be happy to act as non-custodian, ensuring any funds are transferred between the single player to verify fairness. I will be totally impartial, smashed and completely unnaccounted for.
Cierra Royce
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#722 - 2013-10-06 22:41:36 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Zee Space Plane wrote:
Oh no. A "fite me on ur main!" post.

I guess if talking to your fanboys counts as supporting them, Mintchip is a big Chribba supporter, huh?

But you still haven't explained how you haven't profited your way into all those limited edition ships. I'd like to hear that answer before your fanboys show up to "support" you.


Easy, I've worked, done industry, missions and trading as well I have built a reputation that enables me to conduct 3rd party service for which I charge a fee, over the course of 8 years building reputation and providing service I've earned ISK that allowed me to purchase some of the AT ships as well as supercapitals.,

Anything unclear?

/c


Chribba, it's not worth the wear on your keyboard to argue with sock puppet characters, sure occasionally one will chirp up and actually have a point worth reading but for the most part, as in this case, they are simply trolls gaining some illicit thrills at the thought of someone getting mildly annoyed.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#723 - 2013-10-07 01:07:31 UTC
Juniper Weatherwax wrote:
Innominate wrote:
Way to miss the point.

The giving away of unique ships IS an issue, but it's not even the main issue.

YOU ARE GIVING A FOR-PROFIT GROUP HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS(now possibly TRILLIONS) OF ISK WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED.

Edit:
I would like to run a promotion, you can send me one (1) coupon good for an all expenses paid trip to fanfest, I promise my winning of my own lottery will be entirely fair and well accounted for.


I will be happy to act as non-custodian, ensuring any funds are transferred between the single player to verify fairness. I will be totally impartial, smashed and completely unnaccounted for.

I will only accept a ccp-endorsed service.

Because when god itself tells you someone is honest, you can't do better than that

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Tilly Delnero
Doomheim
#724 - 2013-10-07 07:10:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Tilly Delnero
Zee Space Plane wrote:
Oh no. A "fite me on ur main!" post.

I guess if talking to your fanboys counts as supporting them, Mintchip is a big Chribba supporter, huh?

But you still haven't explained how you haven't profited your way into all those limited edition ships. I'd like to hear that answer before your fanboys show up to "support" you.


Wait, so a nameless alt who's contributed zero to the community is actually directly criticising one of the most diligent and selfless contributers in EVE? Wow.

Do you even know who Chribba is and what services he's provided over the years? Do you know about the sites he hosts and allows us to use, free of charge? (Incidentally Chribba, EVEBoard and EVE Files are awesome, thank you sir). What about the many events he's hosted over the years like the can hunts? The third-party services the sane people in the community trusts him with? The fact that in a sea of trantuming delinquents he's consistently been a sane and level-headed arbiter and an all-around nice guy?

Honestly, with his credentials it'd be an unjust world if he didn't have 'fanboys', since he's one of the few people that actually earned them. Hell, count me in as one too.

I wuv you Chribba, don't listen to the ******** trolls who hide behind alts to forum warrior (badly I might add).

edit: In my tear-induced rage (well sorta, kinda), I forgot to ask what the personal attack on Mintchip has to do with anything?
Green Gambit
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#725 - 2013-10-07 09:52:09 UTC
Of course "Zee Space Plane" knows what Chribba has done.

But as one of the recipients of the Ishukone Scorp, they can hardly post on their main...
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#726 - 2013-10-07 10:55:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
And this is exactly why CCP has ****ed up so badly. It has completely alienated the real contributors to Eve, the people who make the game bearable to play indicating that providing working solutions to CCP's own laziness and shortsightedness doesn't mean squat to CCP. Whereas SOMER gets all the goodies and yet SOMER's site in no way contributes to making the game work.

If SOMER Blink were gone tomorrow, its absence would not affect the game one iota! If Chribba's sites, and all the other sites out there that players utilize regularly to play the game were gone, the game would be barely playable. That CCP doesn't recognize this is appalling. That CCP has chosen to reward SOMER alone is unfathomable. Does SOMER really bring in that much income for CCP or is it some kind of vile nepotistic relationship?

That is why I advocate a blackout by the sites that really contribute to the game instead of shooting the Jita momument. Weekends gentlemen, if you're listening, weekends are the times to blackout your services.

Don't ban me, bro!

ry ry
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#727 - 2013-10-07 12:46:02 UTC  |  Edited by: ry ry
LOL. If only you all applied so much conviction and vigor to stuff outside a computer game, the world would be a better place.

Of course somer blink is a scam - they are a casino ferchrissakes, and every single blink finished nets them a profit. That isn't even considering the improbable luck of some players, often recently sold characters, and that at any time - night or day - there will be people blinking along with you on anything you care to list. Crazy coincidence and statistical aberrations abound.

But by the same token they are generating GTC sales for CCP, or at the very least have some quantifiable yardstick for number of GTCs purchased through their affiliate scheme. If you don't like what they're offering, don't play. Being enraged that they got given a bunch of stuff is ultimately futile - CCP have always taken the 'its our game we'll do what we want' approach until it starts to threaten revenue streams.

TL;DR - Suck it up. if you all stop blinking then Somer stops making isk, and ultimately cold hard IRL cash.* the scorps pale in comparison the sheer amount of isk extracted from the economy by somer blink, and as collectables they have no inherent value beyond what the "community" applies.

Besides, are you really that outraged? seriously? anybody who honestly, genuinely, gives a **** about t20, vuk lau, monkeysphere, awox, viper shizzle or any of the other prominent rulebreakers through the ages beyond some hazy sense of internet hurf blurf should probably take a long hard look at themselves. Chribba is excluded from this as he lives and breathes eve and as such qualifies for all the perks we (and the the mental health system) can offer.





*via the affiliate scheme.**


** probably.
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#728 - 2013-10-07 12:59:53 UTC
ry ry wrote:
LOL. If only you all applied so much conviction and vigor to stuff outside a computer game, the world would be a better place.


Flaming on forums isnt much of an effort to me.

Is today some sort of Icelandic holiday, or why didnt any dev reply yet?

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Burning Furry
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#729 - 2013-10-07 13:42:41 UTC
What is it with you guys CCP?

37 pages and only 2 dev posts? 1 ignorant and the other blatantly ignoring all the post before it.

Who in the office is instructing you to give us all the finger? Who?
Zuni Jovakko
Doomheim
#730 - 2013-10-07 14:35:21 UTC
Burning Furry wrote:
What is it with you guys CCP?

37 pages and only 2 dev posts? 1 ignorant and the other blatantly ignoring all the post before it.

Who in the office is instructing you to give us all the finger? Who?

And equally important, nothing from CSM nor Internal Affairs? Isn't this the exact thing they were created for?
Catherine Au
Iris Industry and Innovations
#731 - 2013-10-07 15:15:09 UTC
I will vote with my debit card as this seems to be how one shows support for their EVE community?

No more Somer blink credit with GTC. Really - If Chribba had GTC purchase scheme attached to his sites I would use it.



Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#732 - 2013-10-07 15:51:12 UTC
Wow.

More goon tears. ♫

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#733 - 2013-10-07 19:19:21 UTC
Zuni Jovakko wrote:
Burning Furry wrote:
What is it with you guys CCP?

37 pages and only 2 dev posts? 1 ignorant and the other blatantly ignoring all the post before it.

Who in the office is instructing you to give us all the finger? Who?

And equally important, nothing from CSM nor Internal Affairs? Isn't this the exact thing they were created for?

No, not really, it would seem

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#734 - 2013-10-07 19:42:51 UTC
Well, sunday has come and passed, and as far as i know, CCP still hasn't said a word on the issue.

Maybe they think that we are wrong and they are right.Question

In many ways, I don't care. I doubt that this becomes a incarnageddon and I hope that true contributors to the comunity will valor the service they provide to players more than CCP valors them. This game would be the same without SOMER, but it would not be without people like Chribba or organizations like EVE-U.

Why should CCP favor the former over the later, and do it in secrecy, does not make much sense, but is perfectly coherent with CCP's inability to grasp the essentials of almost anything.

CCP never "gets it".

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Midnight Hope
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#735 - 2013-10-07 21:05:28 UTC
I don't even know where to start! Evil

CCP you dropped the ball ... again!

Giving away special "gifts" to certain player organizations because you think they deserve it reeks of favouritism at best. SOMER Blink does not either deserve or need your "gifts". They take away enough isk from the community to play EVE for generations!

If there are organizations that deserve credit then the "Community Spotlight" is the way to go, if the player base likes them then the extra exposure will bring more players to them. You want to do more, expose them through adds in the silly billboard at each stargate.

Apparently showing up in a community spotlight was not enough for the good ol' folks at SOMER Blink. No, their generous and charitable hearts deserve some special gifts for providing ... what again? A gambling establishment where the house rakes in humongous profits?? Evil

How about true "not-for-profit" organizations like EVE-Uni or the Angel Project?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#736 - 2013-10-07 21:07:14 UTC
Midnight Hope wrote:
I don't even know where to start! Evil

CCP you dropped the ball ... again!

Giving away special "gifts" to certain player organizations because you think they deserve it reeks of favouritism at best. SOMER Blink does not either deserve or need your "gifts". They take away enough isk from the community to play EVE for generations!

If there are organizations that deserve credit then the "Community Spotlight" is the way to go, if the player base likes them then the extra exposure will bring more players to them. You want to do more, expose them through adds in the silly billboard at each stargate.

Apparently showing up in a community spotlight was not enough for the good ol' folks at SOMER Blink. No, their generous and charitable hearts deserve some special gifts for providing ... what again? A gambling establishment where the house rakes in humongous profits?? Evil

How about true "not-for-profit" organizations like EVE-Uni or the Angel Project?

The billboards !!

I'd almost forgotten about them, I don't think you see them in nullsec ...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Seismic Stan
Freebooted Junkworks
#737 - 2013-10-08 00:16:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Seismic Stan
On 30 September, Andrev Nox of SOMERblink responded to a Reddit link I posted. The discussion was regarding CCP's previous form on providing gifts to player organisations and Andrev provided a list as follows:


  • CCP sent 4 Ishukone Scorpions to winners in our 1Q event, yep :) To further expand on GhostRider's "Why is everyone complaining this time?" post - just off the top of my head:
  • We were also provided a $50 eve store gift card about two years ago for our 50T celebration
  • BIG has been provided with Ishukone Scorpions to lotto off and several of the special-edition "christmas" frig hulls that hadn't been released yet at that time. And long before that, with the Impoc.
  • Eve Radio has been provided with piles and piles of models and autographed eve swag to auction.
  • SCL was provided with the tourney software overlay.
  • I -believe- SCL was also provided with Ishukone Scorpions, but I admit I'm not sure if that was an official announcement or just a forum rumor.
  • FOTR3 was provided with an incursion to make it impossible to hotdrop his event.
  • The fiction contest guy was provided with a graphics card to use as a prize.
  • An Opus Yacht was given to a couple who got engaged at Fanfest.
  • And so on.
  • CCP has been rewarding community organizations since nearly the beginning of Eve (BIG was given the Impoc for their 1 year anniversary celebration in 2005).


I approached CCP and asked them to corroborate the list and CCP Manifest emailed me the following response:

CCP Manifest wrote:
From CCP Navigator, who was kind enough to do some fact checking for us: Everything listed is completely correct. Different Fansites have received different things, most time on request. The only thing missing is that BIG Lottery also received a Guardian Vexor to giveaway along with an Imperial Apoc.

I don’t know if this is a comprehensive list of fansite stuff, and assume it isn’t, but at least for this list it’s spot on. Andrev Nox is a thorough person :)

The communication with CCP was fact-checking as research for my GameSkinny article:
  • CCP Games Confirms History of Providing Gifts to Player Organisations,
  • and the follow-up:
    [*] The Biblical Irony of EVE Online's SOMERblink Scandal
    Mr M
    Sebiestor Tribe
    #738 - 2013-10-08 01:11:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr M
    Seismic Stan wrote:
    On 30 September, Andrev Nox of SOMERblink responded to a Reddit link I posted. The discussion was regarding CCP's previous form on providing gifts to player organisations and Andrev provided a list as follows:

    *yadda*

    I thought this was common knowledge? EVE Tribune got some EVE Store checks from CCP too that we gave away in a contest and that was 2010. We also clearly stated

    Quote:
    The Eve Tribune is running a contest to synch up with the release of Tyrannis release and we have $200.00 in prizes donated by CCP to give away to the winners. It's not straight up cash dollars, but it spends just like cash on anything you want from the EVE store.

    Share your experience

    Write for the EVE Tribune

    www.eve-tribune.com

    Winchester Steele
    #739 - 2013-10-08 05:41:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Winchester Steele
    Although I can't muster the sub cancelling outrage of some of my fellow capsuleers, I would like to officially go on the record saying that this is a pretty lame, anti-sandbox move on CCP's part.

    Aside from the blatant and totally inappropriate favoritism, you are forcing a portion of the community to use a third party site (which they may not trust or want to do business with or be banned from) in order to get a chance at these unique prizes. Even worse, you're forcing people to gamble in order to have a chance to win these prizes. Since I don't really feel like being a sucker and further padding the wallet of SOMERblink I guess I too am excluded from this "community event".

    Was there not a fiasco just recently involving RP channels being unfairly moderated resulting in portions of the community being excluded? If I am not mistaken, the solution to this was to move the process in house so as to include the entire community. At the heart of it, this is really the same issue and consequently can be resolved by a similar solution. Moving the distribution of these prizes in house would be an easy and efficient way to bring this situation under control. First, the ENTIRE community gets the opportunity to participate without having to trust a questionably operated and moderated third party gambling site. Second, you preserve the sanctity of the sandbox by reversing your very poor decision to give SOMERblink a HUGE ingame advantage (basically feeding them massive quantities of isk from capsuleers seeking to get a piece of EvE memorabilia).

    Then, in the future, you can seek out a way to reward the valuable members of our community which doesn't confer any direct in game advantages. Game time or special untradeable NEX items would be appropriate I think.

    To arbitrarily choose a group of people and confer great in-game advantages on them is totally against the spirit of this game. We know it, and I would like to believe that CCP knows it too. One of the most endearing qualities of CCP as a company is that you folks are all too human and frequently make these sorts of clumsy mistakes in your efforts to engage your playerbase. Mistakes are okay CCP, and I would much rather have you make the effort than to remain aloof and uncaring like so many other corporate studios. It's important that you recognize these poor choices though and act decisively to correct course.

    At a certain point CCP, you just gotta man up, admit to the community that you made a mistake and do the right thing.

    Do the right thing CCP. Don't **** in the sandbox.

    o/

    ...

    Catherine Au
    Iris Industry and Innovations
    #740 - 2013-10-08 09:20:39 UTC


    Quote:
    The Eve Tribune is running a contest to synch up with the release of Tyrannis release and we have $200.00 in prizes donated by CCP to give away to the winners. It's not straight up cash dollars, but it spends just like cash on anything you want from the EVE store.


    This was a publicised contest.

    The gifts to SOMER were given in secret.

    Totally different.