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Black Eagles cracking down on holofilm industry?

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Muck Raker
Gutter Press
#1 - 2013-10-04 14:45:34 UTC
Gutter Press today received a report from an Impetus employee, about alleged Black Eagles harassment !

Disturbing !

Impetus, the leading holo film producer in New Eden, employs many script writers and one such script writer related a worrying tale to Gutter Press personnel.

"I was in my apartment, writing some dialogue for a new romantic comedy film" said the Impetus employee, who wished to remain anonymous.
"There was a scene, in which the young female protagonist is telling her friend about a bad date that she was on, and the line of dialogue was 'It was over quicker than Heth's invasion of Caldari Prime". Not more than half an hour after I had typed that into my machine, there was a knock at the door"
"A group of dark-uniformed men were there, saying they were from the SDII, and that I should 'consider carefully' what I included in my scripts, and that 'unacceptable criticism of the Federation Navy will not be tolerated'. Then one of them without as much as a 'by your leave' just grabbed my machine's keyboard and erased the line of dialogue!"

Shocking !

Other Impetus employees also reported that they had received correspondence from the SDII, criticising them for alleged "un-Federal activities", and warning them of "dire consequences" should they continue in their course of action.
"My roommate, she was warned by some Black Eagle dudes, and the next day, a hovercycle nearly ran her down! Coincidence? I don't think so!" said one alarmed person.

Black Eagles director Mentas Blaque is no stranger to controversy, and was not available for comment on this alleged incident.

Gutter Press, if it looks like news, you'll read about it here!

Rumours, Wars, Rumours of Wars, Wars of Rumours!

Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#2 - 2013-10-04 15:47:50 UTC
I approve of this technology and suggest that it be licensed or otherwise appropriated for imperial use.

They who write sentences against the Empress or the Reclaiming should receive a knock on the door from Ministry of Internal Order agents carrying a slave collar and their first dose of Vitoc.
Sorjat
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-10-04 16:29:50 UTC
I do like the Gutter Press. Truly, I do. I think because they dare to report where no other reporter dares to go they are living up to the highest ideals of Gallentean society. Individual Liberty!

That being said, I am also no fool. I can assure Pilot Raker that if anyone actually identified themselves as a member of SDII, then you can be absolutely certain that those folks do not belong to that organization. When those cloak and dagger folks "introduce" themselves... its usually with a black hood over your head, ski masks over theirs and neural probes attached to your skull. Knocking on a door and threatening!! Puh-lease. That is so beneath them as to be laughable. They'd sooner shoot you than threaten you! Who do you think your dealing with?

I think you should interview your witness again. Did he observe his visitors departure? Did they fly away in Kestrels? Personally, I think you make a far more convincing plot for a classic 'Diana Kim' operation!

Insanity is not hubris, not pride; it is inflation of the ego to its ultimate - confusion between him who worships and that which is worshipped. Man has not eaten God; God has eaten man.

-- PKD

Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#4 - 2013-10-04 21:15:03 UTC
Sorjat wrote:
I do like the Gutter Press. Truly, I do. I think because they dare to report where no other reporter dares to go they are living up to the highest ideals of Gallentean society. Individual Liberty!

That being said, I am also no fool. I can assure Pilot Raker that if anyone actually identified themselves as a member of SDII, then you can be absolutely certain that those folks do not belong to that organization. When those cloak and dagger folks "introduce" themselves... its usually with a black hood over your head, ski masks over theirs and neural probes attached to your skull. Knocking on a door and threatening!! Puh-lease. That is so beneath them as to be laughable. They'd sooner shoot you than threaten you! Who do you think your dealing with?

I think you should interview your witness again. Did he observe his visitors departure? Did they fly away in Kestrels? Personally, I think you make a far more convincing plot for a classic 'Diana Kim' operation!


This. Frankly SDII is so poorly depicted by most people these days.

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-10-04 23:40:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Sorjat wrote:
I do like the Gutter Press. Truly, I do. I think because they dare to report where no other reporter dares to go they are living up to the highest ideals of Gallentean society. Individual Liberty!

That being said, I am also no fool. I can assure Pilot Raker that if anyone actually identified themselves as a member of SDII, then you can be absolutely certain that those folks do not belong to that organization. When those cloak and dagger folks "introduce" themselves... its usually with a black hood over your head, ski masks over theirs and neural probes attached to your skull. Knocking on a door and threatening!! Puh-lease. That is so beneath them as to be laughable. They'd sooner shoot you than threaten you! Who do you think your dealing with?

I think you should interview your witness again. Did he observe his visitors departure? Did they fly away in Kestrels? Personally, I think you make a far more convincing plot for a classic 'Diana Kim' operation!



Depending on what exactly you did, Black Eagles will use intimidation before lethal force when possible. If you saw something you shouldn't have for example, they typically use blackmail or just make your life very difficult through forcing you out of your job or damaging property for you to keep silent.

If they do indeed believe you are committing a treasonous act, then you'll find yourself either dead or in an interrogation room.

At the core, the Black Eagles are an anti-terrorism and treason organization. Unless you are in the military or politics, seditious statements aren't going to get you killed. A warning and maybe a punch in the face by Gustav is more likely.

And with that said. This is Gutter Press, a satire news network and as a result, stories will either be extremely simplified or extremely exaggerated, and that's assuming they are true in the first place. I'm a huge fan of Gutter Press and what they do, but I'm quite confident that even they don't pass themselves off as a definitive source of news.

Gutter Press is satire and parody, and probably the among best at doing this in the cluster.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2013-10-05 00:12:15 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Sorjat wrote:
I do like the Gutter Press. Truly, I do. I think because they dare to report where no other reporter dares to go they are living up to the highest ideals of Gallentean society. Individual Liberty!

That being said, I am also no fool. I can assure Pilot Raker that if anyone actually identified themselves as a member of SDII, then you can be absolutely certain that those folks do not belong to that organization. When those cloak and dagger folks "introduce" themselves... its usually with a black hood over your head, ski masks over theirs and neural probes attached to your skull. Knocking on a door and threatening!! Puh-lease. That is so beneath them as to be laughable. They'd sooner shoot you than threaten you! Who do you think your dealing with?

I think you should interview your witness again. Did he observe his visitors departure? Did they fly away in Kestrels? Personally, I think you make a far more convincing plot for a classic 'Diana Kim' operation!



Depending on what exactly you did, Black Eagles will use intimidation before lethal force when possible. If you saw something you shouldn't have for example, they typically use blackmail or just make your life very difficult through forcing you out of your job or damaging property for you to keep silent.

If they do indeed believe you are committing a treasonous act, then you'll find yourself either dead or in an interrogation room.

At the core, the Black Eagles are an anti-terrorism and treason organization. Unless you are in the military or politics, seditious statements aren't going to get you killed. A warning and maybe a punch in the face by Gustav is more likely.

And with that said. This is Gutter Press, a satire news network and as a result, stories will either be extremely simplified or extremely exaggerated, and that's assuming they are true in the first place. I'm a huge fan of Gutter Press and what they do, but I'm quite confident that even they don't pass themselves off as a definitive source of news.

Gutter Press is satire and parody, and probably the among best at doing this in the cluster.


I think therein lies one of the key conflicts within the Gallente. Obviously, the experiment of your Federation is in freedom, but it is necessary that some order needs to be maintained. Though this is probably not truly a Black Eagle operation, no one is questioning that things like this have happened before. The government seems to fight a strange battle over expression versus obscenity where no one is completely sure where the battle line is drawn. It snakes between a vast number of subjects and cases.

Since the subject is raised, where do you think the line should be drawn, Fred? Are the authorities never to interfere? Can they stop some sedition? What do you think should be their mission as it pertains to expression? Is it really, as so many Gallente comedians have pointed out, a case of everything is allowed or none of it is? What are your feelings on slander, libel, censorship, and incitement to hatred? Where, exactly, is the line between freedom of expression and illegal activity?

While I've not often had issues preaching in Gallente space, I've had one case try to deny me a forum speaking permit by attempting to legally label my ministry as hate-speak. The amazing thing was that I suddenly was being invited onto local holo-news to speak on my ministry and the case. That little town in Gallente space lit up with people arguing for and against my right to speak at the university, with people who agreed with and opposed my message on either side.

I think I learned more about Gallentean society in that one month than I had from a year of preparatory research in Amarr space. People there became very impassioned about my right or lack of right to preach the Word, whether or not they even actually planned to attend the sermon. I could write an entire article about the final event of the sermon, where a Gallentean businessman who really didn't plan to attend paid to rent an entire hall and listened out of principle (or spite, I'm not sure). The chaos lasted over sixteen hours, which as a matter of professional pride I can say I finished the sermon and took all of the questions from every last person who raised their hand. Someday, I should write about that day.

So now I try to stop by Gallente universities and intellectual establishments when I am in their space. I do truly like to hear Gallenteans talk about their society. They don't often have much opportunity to do so, with so much else going on in the universe that seems to draw the cluster's attention. No time like the present, however.

What do you think of freedom of expression?

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#7 - 2013-10-05 08:28:20 UTC
Individualism vs communalism is a conflict in all the empires, save Nation. The difference is that the Federation, they're so heavily weighted towards individualism that they've codified a set of legal rights for the individual, specifically ways in which the community is not to disrupt the individual autonomy.

Because of this, any possible disruption of autonomy produces anxiety. Attacking the idea of the individual is often seen as worse than actually attacking a person.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#8 - 2013-10-05 11:44:12 UTC
I do hope this does not delay the release of Jita Days, Luminaire Nights 4.

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-10-05 17:48:52 UTC
Sorjat wrote:

I think you should interview your witness again. Did he observe his visitors departure? Did they fly away in Kestrels? Personally, I think you make a far more convincing plot for a classic 'Diana Kim' operation!

Sorjat wrote:

That being said, I am also no fool.

Please do not mislead readers with such blatantly erroneous assumptions.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-10-05 19:13:03 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:


I think therein lies one of the key conflicts within the Gallente. Obviously, the experiment of your Federation is in freedom, but it is necessary that some order needs to be maintained. Though this is probably not truly a Black Eagle operation, no one is questioning that things like this have happened before. The government seems to fight a strange battle over expression versus obscenity where no one is completely sure where the battle line is drawn. It snakes between a vast number of subjects and cases.

Since the subject is raised, where do you think the line should be drawn, Fred? Are the authorities never to interfere? Can they stop some sedition? What do you think should be their mission as it pertains to expression? Is it really, as so many Gallente comedians have pointed out, a case of everything is allowed or none of it is? What are your feelings on slander, libel, censorship, and incitement to hatred? Where, exactly, is the line between freedom of expression and illegal activity?

While I've not often had issues preaching in Gallente space, I've had one case try to deny me a forum speaking permit by attempting to legally label my ministry as hate-speak. The amazing thing was that I suddenly was being invited onto local holo-news to speak on my ministry and the case. That little town in Gallente space lit up with people arguing for and against my right to speak at the university, with people who agreed with and opposed my message on either side.

I think I learned more about Gallentean society in that one month than I had from a year of preparatory research in Amarr space. People there became very impassioned about my right or lack of right to preach the Word, whether or not they even actually planned to attend the sermon. I could write an entire article about the final event of the sermon, where a Gallentean businessman who really didn't plan to attend paid to rent an entire hall and listened out of principle (or spite, I'm not sure). The chaos lasted over sixteen hours, which as a matter of professional pride I can say I finished the sermon and took all of the questions from every last person who raised their hand. Someday, I should write about that day.

So now I try to stop by Gallente universities and intellectual establishments when I am in their space. I do truly like to hear Gallenteans talk about their society. They don't often have much opportunity to do so, with so much else going on in the universe that seems to draw the cluster's attention. No time like the present, however.

What do you think of freedom of expression?


In regards to sedition, I feel that there needs to be a legal definition of what sedition and treasonous speech actually is. Criticisms of the government and our society has been a staple of our culture and has pushed for change and reform that have made our country what it is today. There's a very fine, microscopic line between criticism and sedition, and it's often difficult to determine when someone has crossed it, even if a law is put in place. Personally, I feel that there should be no regulation of speech apart from threats, sexual harassment, and false alarm. However, if it truly has become necessary to monitor speech, then for the sake of our freedom, we must establish very clearly what treasonous words are.

It seems that the attitude towards expression in the Federation is "You're free to express yourself, but don't expect me to like it." We are a very trend based society in that regard. Anything new or obscure is cool and awesome, as it grows in popularity the attitude towards it begins to decline. If you start preaching in a small city or large town that never heard your faith before you can expect a healthy amount of converts or at the very least, people expressing interest. "Wow! This is so enlightening, I never thought about the universe like that! Praise the Lord!" these humble folk shout. However, hop into a hive city where there are people of all kinds and people won't be too enthusiastic. "Oh look, another religious crazy trying to get us to convert or give him money" a businessman mumbles as he walks by without even hearing you out. Go anywhere with a large Matari population and I think you can guess what they will say.

The attitudes of the Federation are very regional. On the borders of lowsec and Caldari space you'll find more gun stores than anything else, as well as people who know more about mining than art. Towards the "heart" of the Federation you find the opposite, people who have never held a gun demanding their legalization, and can tell you the difference between contemporary and classical art yet couldn't tell you the difference between a Veldspar and Plagioclase asteroid by sight alone. One side of life isn't better than the other, yet you'll find that they view things very differently.

As for intellectual institutions, you'll be in for some tough work. The University of Caille will accept your word not as religious doctrine, but more of a philosophical type of thing. They'll be more than happy to listen, but don't expect many converts. The Center of Advanced Studies will certainly let you preach, but expect every word you say to be challenged on a scientific level. Sometimes they won't even take you seriously and let you preach for the sole purpose of mocking you. When I studied at CAS a preacher came by and was humiliated by a student who claimed that your God was a lie and that the one true God was a being known as "The Levitating Noodle Rouge Drone". This quickly grew in popularity and now there is an official "Church of The Levitating Noodle Rouge Drone" which is less dedicated to the titular being, and more to parodying religious beliefs around the world including atheistic and agnostic beliefs. As for the Federal Navy Academy, you'll probably be denied from preaching or met with hostility if you aren't, for obvious reasons.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-10-05 19:17:24 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Individualism vs communalism is a conflict in all the empires, save Nation. The difference is that the Federation, they're so heavily weighted towards individualism that they've codified a set of legal rights for the individual, specifically ways in which the community is not to disrupt the individual autonomy.

Because of this, any possible disruption of autonomy produces anxiety. Attacking the idea of the individual is often seen as worse than actually attacking a person.


You'd be surprised actually, a fair number of people want to see the Federation turn into a more communal society. The Unionist and Ultra Nationalist are striving for this, yet have different methods of doing so. The Unionist want to see the Federation bolstered by strong working class and a more even distribution of wealth. The Ultra Nationalist essentially want to turn the Federation into something akin to the Caldari State under Heth.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2013-10-05 21:11:18 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
In regards to sedition, I feel that there needs to be a legal definition of what sedition and treasonous speech actually is. Criticisms of the government and our society has been a staple of our culture and has pushed for change and reform that have made our country what it is today. There's a very fine, microscopic line between criticism and sedition, and it's often difficult to determine when someone has crossed it, even if a law is put in place. Personally, I feel that there should be no regulation of speech apart from threats, sexual harassment, and false alarm. However, if it truly has become necessary to monitor speech, then for the sake of our freedom, we must establish very clearly what treasonous words are.

It seems that the attitude towards expression in the Federation is "You're free to express yourself, but don't expect me to like it." We are a very trend based society in that regard. Anything new or obscure is cool and awesome, as it grows in popularity the attitude towards it begins to decline. If you start preaching in a small city or large town that never heard your faith before you can expect a healthy amount of converts or at the very least, people expressing interest. "Wow! This is so enlightening, I never thought about the universe like that! Praise the Lord!" these humble folk shout. However, hop into a hive city where there are people of all kinds and people won't be too enthusiastic. "Oh look, another religious crazy trying to get us to convert or give him money" a businessman mumbles as he walks by without even hearing you out. Go anywhere with a large Matari population and I think you can guess what they will say.

The attitudes of the Federation are very regional. On the borders of lowsec and Caldari space you'll find more gun stores than anything else, as well as people who know more about mining than art. Towards the "heart" of the Federation you find the opposite, people who have never held a gun demanding their legalization, and can tell you the difference between contemporary and classical art yet couldn't tell you the difference between a Veldspar and Plagioclase asteroid by sight alone. One side of life isn't better than the other, yet you'll find that they view things very differently.

As for intellectual institutions, you'll be in for some tough work. The University of Caille will accept your word not as religious doctrine, but more of a philosophical type of thing. They'll be more than happy to listen, but don't expect many converts. The Center of Advanced Studies will certainly let you preach, but expect every word you say to be challenged on a scientific level. Sometimes they won't even take you seriously and let you preach for the sole purpose of mocking you. When I studied at CAS a preacher came by and was humiliated by a student who claimed that your God was a lie and that the one true God was a being known as "The Levitating Noodle Rouge Drone". This quickly grew in popularity and now there is an official "Church of The Levitating Noodle Rouge Drone" which is less dedicated to the titular being, and more to parodying religious beliefs around the world including atheistic and agnostic beliefs. As for the Federal Navy Academy, you'll probably be denied from preaching or met with hostility if you aren't, for obvious reasons.



I've found that the philosophical level is actually the best way to approach ministry in Gallente space, and more than standing in front of people simply to talk, to take them point by point through a line of Scriptural reasoning. Though mockery does arise in Gallente space, I've a fairly decent background not just as a Scripturalist, but as a humanist. So that has never been much of a major problem. If you come out of a personal or philosophical attack sputtering and angry, you are likely to empower your intellectual assailant. If you approach their argument as a genuine question and turn it into a point about Scriptural reasoning, you're very likely to make some converts in that way.

You are right about one thing, though. My ministry in Gallente space is very much based on humanist and philosophical thinking. Gallenteans aren't necessarily prone to sitting around having a drawn out conversation about verse 8 of Missions I to decipher some hidden meaning. Instead, I've found that a thematic teaching method works best (as I have often found in most foreign space). Gallenteans may not have an opinion on the texts that they have not read, but they may certainly after Scriptural edicts of charity versus obedience.

Take, for example, my last sermon in Gallente space. I read aloud two passages, one about how the Lord commands that we live in humility and accept our place in the cosmos. He commands that we do not fill our lives with precious objects, but that we assure the community has what they need to live comfortably. However, we also have an obligation to obedience and to following the right way from righteous commanders.

So, then I posed a philosophical question. Given these two pieces of Scripture, let us say you are in a small town. You are going to run out of food before the winter ends. Your commander reasons that the town will need to draw in, reserving food for those who will be most necessary for the town's survival. This is a reasonable response, but disregards the humanist command to charity, making sure all have what they want. It is obvious that someone will starve, so, in this case, what do they think the Lord would command in His righteous love? Charity and perhaps starving someone vital to the town? Or obedience, where those deaths are intentional and will rest on your conscience?

You do get converts this way, as they begin to enter into Scriptural interpretation rather than simply reading. These are times where the Lord relies on us to interpret His will justly. Even non-believers like to get in on the hypothetical debate.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-10-06 20:02:57 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:


I've found that the philosophical level is actually the best way to approach ministry in Gallente space, and more than standing in front of people simply to talk, to take them point by point through a line of Scriptural reasoning. Though mockery does arise in Gallente space, I've a fairly decent background not just as a Scripturalist, but as a humanist. So that has never been much of a major problem. If you come out of a personal or philosophical attack sputtering and angry, you are likely to empower your intellectual assailant. If you approach their argument as a genuine question and turn it into a point about Scriptural reasoning, you're very likely to make some converts in that way.

You are right about one thing, though. My ministry in Gallente space is very much based on humanist and philosophical thinking. Gallenteans aren't necessarily prone to sitting around having a drawn out conversation about verse 8 of Missions I to decipher some hidden meaning. Instead, I've found that a thematic teaching method works best (as I have often found in most foreign space). Gallenteans may not have an opinion on the texts that they have not read, but they may certainly after Scriptural edicts of charity versus obedience.

Take, for example, my last sermon in Gallente space. I read aloud two passages, one about how the Lord commands that we live in humility and accept our place in the cosmos. He commands that we do not fill our lives with precious objects, but that we assure the community has what they need to live comfortably. However, we also have an obligation to obedience and to following the right way from righteous commanders.

So, then I posed a philosophical question. Given these two pieces of Scripture, let us say you are in a small town. You are going to run out of food before the winter ends. Your commander reasons that the town will need to draw in, reserving food for those who will be most necessary for the town's survival. This is a reasonable response, but disregards the humanist command to charity, making sure all have what they want. It is obvious that someone will starve, so, in this case, what do they think the Lord would command in His righteous love? Charity and perhaps starving someone vital to the town? Or obedience, where those deaths are intentional and will rest on your conscience?

You do get converts this way, as they begin to enter into Scriptural interpretation rather than simply reading. These are times where the Lord relies on us to interpret His will justly. Even non-believers like to get in on the hypothetical debate.


This is probably the best way to go about it. I look at the scriptures purely philosophically my self, and thinking about different situations they can be applied to is quite entertaining. I've also found it a priceless resource in dealing with people of faith as you begin to understand how they approach a situation different than you. Things they do and say that make no sense suddenly do.

Of course, I'm not going to be converting any time soon. Mainly because I am a man of science. If one hundred percent verifiable, and one hundred percent repeatable evidence arises that there is not only a God but it is your God specifically, then and only then will I even consider the possibility of conversion. I feel this is the attitude most Gallenteans have as well, and even then there are folk who could get punched in the face by God and then eat dinner with him and still refuse to believe purely out of spite. This is especially common among former slaves who made it to the Federation, but you really can't blame them.

Regardless, keep using a philosophical humanist approach in the Federation. That will be your best bet. Gallenteans are typically anti-authoritarian and don't like being lectured or ordered around. I doubt you do this but it's good to keep in mind. However, there is a dark side to the philosophical approach as well. I've found that the difference between a Gallentean of faith and an Amarrian are so massive that they can't even be considered to be following the same religion. Of course, this depends on how you view liberal interpretations of the scriptures (keeping in mind that liberal for you is like conservative to us). The main reason for these loose interpretations of the scriptures is that Gallente individualism tends cause people to like to add their own personal touch to things, including religion. People will add the most bizarre and even stupid beliefs to a religion just to make it their own. I once met a rather strange woman who insisted that the winds from Caldari Waysism were literal winds caused by a cosmic giant farting in space.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2013-10-06 22:25:41 UTC
But... the Winds are on Caldari Prime... How? Never mind...

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#15 - 2013-10-07 01:05:32 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
This is probably the best way to go about it. I look at the scriptures purely philosophically my self, and thinking about different situations they can be applied to is quite entertaining. I've also found it a priceless resource in dealing with people of faith as you begin to understand how they approach a situation different than you. Things they do and say that make no sense suddenly do.

Of course, I'm not going to be converting any time soon. Mainly because I am a man of science. If one hundred percent verifiable, and one hundred percent repeatable evidence arises that there is not only a God but it is your God specifically, then and only then will I even consider the possibility of conversion. I feel this is the attitude most Gallenteans have as well, and even then there are folk who could get punched in the face by God and then eat dinner with him and still refuse to believe purely out of spite. This is especially common among former slaves who made it to the Federation, but you really can't blame them.

Regardless, keep using a philosophical humanist approach in the Federation. That will be your best bet. Gallenteans are typically anti-authoritarian and don't like being lectured or ordered around. I doubt you do this but it's good to keep in mind. However, there is a dark side to the philosophical approach as well. I've found that the difference between a Gallentean of faith and an Amarrian are so massive that they can't even be considered to be following the same religion. Of course, this depends on how you view liberal interpretations of the scriptures (keeping in mind that liberal for you is like conservative to us). The main reason for these loose interpretations of the scriptures is that Gallente individualism tends cause people to like to add their own personal touch to things, including religion. People will add the most bizarre and even stupid beliefs to a religion just to make it their own. I once met a rather strange woman who insisted that the winds from Caldari Waysism were literal winds caused by a cosmic giant farting in space.


I think we are somewhat more alike than you might think. Whereas your average Amarrian certainly begins with a very dry, doctrinarian approach to Scripture, we know that being able to read and quote the Scripture word for word doesn't necessarily imply that you understand it. Wise Amarrians will tell you that we can quote the Scriptures back and forth, at least as much as we have to quote, but that we have spent all these thousands of years struggling to understand all of its meanings. It is almost shocking, sometimes, that you may come across a problem today that people could not have thought about all those thousands of years ago, and yet when we finally come upon the right way we see that it was already in the Scriptures. We simply didn't understand.

By way of example, there is a very moralistic tale of a noble huntsman named Septicus that appears frequently quoted some three thousand years ago. When we finally had the complete copy, we had a story about a noble who hunted his lands every day, vowing to exterminate a rodent pest that was nearly impossible to eradicate at that time in history. The story goes that he went out into his land, firing his rifle, and every day he would think his work done. Then, the next morning, he would see another of these rodents and do it again. The story goes that the noble began to turn more and more of his attention to this work. He turned his industries into powderworks and gun stores. He razed his fields to starve the rodents. He bent himself so far towards this destruction that his people starved. His works crumbled. Soon, he was left with a desolate feifdom and himself an old man. Yet, even though he had no powder nor working gun nor the strength to fire again, he saw the rodents, of indeterminable number, feasting upon his people.

When the rodents came for him, he asked them, "Why could I not kill you?" The rodents answered, before consuming him, "We have come from the other fields, beyond you guns. You are spent. You have not been killing us, but you."

All paraphrased, this story is a bit long to quote the entire way through, though I can transcribe or send you a copy of the text in Gallentean. All these thousands of years later, we look to the Scriptures and see answers to our problems. Problems we simply did not see coming the way they did, but now seem so obvious.

As it stands, I think my approach has worked fairly well for precisely the reasons you ascribe, though I think perhaps you fear interpretation somewhat more than I do. In fact, I feel rather excited by people really honing in and discussing Scripture in a more philosophical and organic way. People without faith don't read into Scripture for meaning because they simply believe there is none to be had; they think these are just books written by foregone ancestors who could not fathom the universe at present. I think the best way to engage Gallenteans in our religion is also the best way to gauge faith in all believers. You see if they are trying to not just read, but to understand the stories they are reading.

The trick with Gallentean ministry is to present yourself as an arbiter more than an authority, like a teacher more than a legislator. Most of all, the trick is to bring your 'A' game to Gallentean space, because even people of deepest faith will ask you the most blatantly heretical, complicated, and intellectually puzzling questions just to kick-start a conversation about the nature of the faith. They take nothing, even if they know the answer, for granted because they want to hear YOUR answer.

So Gallente space is never boring. You just have to make sure you walk into it without taking anything personally or holding inquisitiveness against them. And make sure you have an extra cup of coffee in the morning. You'll need to be on your toes.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-10-07 11:05:22 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Individualism vs communalism is a conflict in all the empires, save Nation. The difference is that the Federation, they're so heavily weighted towards individualism that they've codified a set of legal rights for the individual, specifically ways in which the community is not to disrupt the individual autonomy.

Because of this, any possible disruption of autonomy produces anxiety. Attacking the idea of the individual is often seen as worse than actually attacking a person.


You'd be surprised actually, a fair number of people want to see the Federation turn into a more communal society. The Unionist and Ultra Nationalist are striving for this, yet have different methods of doing so. The Unionist want to see the Federation bolstered by strong working class and a more even distribution of wealth. The Ultra Nationalist essentially want to turn the Federation into something akin to the Caldari State under Heth.

So, these subhumans are now looking to steal our ideals?
Well, to be honest, I don't really care how they organize their useless lives, if they stay away and don't stretch their filthy jaijii hands into our affairs. But while they are doing so, I prefer to see them dead.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
#17 - 2013-10-07 12:26:57 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Individualism vs communalism is a conflict in all the empires, save Nation. The difference is that the Federation, they're so heavily weighted towards individualism that they've codified a set of legal rights for the individual, specifically ways in which the community is not to disrupt the individual autonomy.

Because of this, any possible disruption of autonomy produces anxiety. Attacking the idea of the individual is often seen as worse than actually attacking a person.


You'd be surprised actually, a fair number of people want to see the Federation turn into a more communal society. The Unionist and Ultra Nationalist are striving for this, yet have different methods of doing so. The Unionist want to see the Federation bolstered by strong working class and a more even distribution of wealth. The Ultra Nationalist essentially want to turn the Federation into something akin to the Caldari State under Heth.

So, these subhumans are now looking to steal our ideals?
Well, to be honest, I don't really care how they organize their useless lives, if they stay away and don't stretch their filthy jaijii hands into our affairs. But while they are doing so, I prefer to see them dead.


The Ultra-Nationalist government under President Luc Duvalier was around long before Tibus Heth and his provist loyalists and it remains a great misfortune that either of them were once in power at all. Hopefully they remain consigned to history, hey?
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-10-07 14:09:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Diana Kim wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Individualism vs communalism is a conflict in all the empires, save Nation. The difference is that the Federation, they're so heavily weighted towards individualism that they've codified a set of legal rights for the individual, specifically ways in which the community is not to disrupt the individual autonomy.

Because of this, any possible disruption of autonomy produces anxiety. Attacking the idea of the individual is often seen as worse than actually attacking a person.


You'd be surprised actually, a fair number of people want to see the Federation turn into a more communal society. The Unionist and Ultra Nationalist are striving for this, yet have different methods of doing so. The Unionist want to see the Federation bolstered by strong working class and a more even distribution of wealth. The Ultra Nationalist essentially want to turn the Federation into something akin to the Caldari State under Heth.

So, these subhumans are now looking to steal our ideals?
Well, to be honest, I don't really care how they organize their useless lives, if they stay away and don't stretch their filthy jaijii hands into our affairs. But while they are doing so, I prefer to see them dead.



You forget that the Ultra Nationalist have been around long before Heth. They were the ones who ordered the bombardment of Caldari Prime. Heth's ideals were so close to that if the U Nats it's likely that Heth was, ironically, inspired by them.

And as U-Nat policies brought strife to the Federation, Heth policies brought strife to the State. Heth wanted the State to succeed where the Federation has failed. To prove that the Caldari are supreme. Yet he and the State failed, just like we have. In trying to prove that the State was better than us, he showed the cluster that the State was just as fallible.

The history reads like a Classical Gallentean epic, how poetically ironic.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#19 - 2013-10-07 17:00:06 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
I approve of this technology and suggest that it be licensed or otherwise appropriated for imperial use.

They who write sentences against the Empress or the Reclaiming should receive a knock on the door from Ministry of Internal Order agents carrying a slave collar and their first dose of Vitoc.


You're so filled with rage and hatred. Did your mommy not breast feed you long enough or give you enough hugs when you were an infant? I'm betting your current issues stem from a difficult time with toilet training. Poor child.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#20 - 2013-10-07 17:07:23 UTC
Considering the amount of crap that comes out of holoreel studios on a daily basis, I don't really see anything inherently bad about some level of preventative quality control.

Though I think the Black Eagles probably do have better things to waste time doing.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

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