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Is the world of Trading within eve Dying ???/
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Blacksuns
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-10-07 06:03:14 UTC
Hello Fellow Traders

Is Trading withinin eve dying ? i think it is to a point eg slowing down becoming less popular, two many traders, ppl dont have time to etc...

Awarrness : other players becoming aware of the isk there loosing out on by performing a quick sale therefore cutting out the "trader on the buy orders" and setting there own "sell order" and also undercutting sellers "traders"

Players sill perform a quick sale to items that dont have a huge margin profit to be made but this is becoming a big problem for traders

a trader can setup a buy order for 300 of x item but player y comes to jita and has 11 x item see's the margin profit and is willing to wait by setting up a sell order. not using the quick sale option

5 - 6 years ago this was not somthing players were that aware of therefore Traders were able to trade on a huge scale, trading has become alot harder.

More Traders : There are alot more traders then there were 5 - 6 years go when trade wthin eve took off big time so the compitition is alot more harder.

Time : I think ppl who had time other the last 5 - 6 years dont have as much time as they use to i keep thinking to my self what has changed for me to spend less time on eve to trade and run my corp.

CCP : my CCP nurf items therefore driving down the profit margin items that used to be a good trade for years are now used to be refined or a quick sale and not worth trading.

Blacksuns
Nanatoa
#2 - 2013-10-07 06:17:13 UTC
Your argument boiled down: "The World of Trading within Eve is dying because there are too many traders."
Do you see where that argument goes wrong?

Shrinking profit margins are an indication of healthy trading and the Market doing its work.

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-10-07 06:25:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Felicity Love
Everyone is busy grinding LP's for those new ships that won't be available until Rubicon... Roll

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
Jerex Deka
Tempest Shipyards
#4 - 2013-10-07 06:33:41 UTC
As a new trader with a recent loan, I am seeing great profits, within Jita of alll places.

Honestly I feel it's better now than it was in the summer.
Blacksuns
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-10-07 06:43:10 UTC
Jerex Deka wrote:
As a new trader with a recent loan, I am seeing great profits, within Jita of alll places.

Honestly I feel it's better now than it was in the summer.



yes the summer is slow for trading alot of ppl take breaks
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-10-07 07:05:48 UTC
The availability of near perfect near up-to-date cross-region price information is quite awful.

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Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-10-07 07:09:57 UTC
Blacksuns wrote:
Is Trading withinin eve dying ? i think it is to a point eg slowing down becoming less popular, two many traders

I don't think "less popular" means the same thing you think it means ("too many traders").
Innately Awesome
Princess Luna Personal Battalion
#8 - 2013-10-07 07:26:45 UTC
The only thing that is killing trading in EVE is 0.01 ISK trade bots who have unlimited amounts of free time.
Mor Profitis
H and M Enterprises
#9 - 2013-10-07 11:31:47 UTC
Innately Awesome wrote:
The only thing that is killing trading in EVE is 0.01 ISK trade bots who have unlimited amounts of free time.

If everyone would just adjust their orders by thousands or millions of isk at a time, that would be way better than .01Roll
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-10-07 12:02:05 UTC
Trading is for bottom-scraping bot aspirants.

Speculation is the sport of true SpaceKings.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Rykker Bow
Center for Advanced Studies
#11 - 2013-10-07 12:05:33 UTC
Over the past four years of trading I've seen no evidence that trading is dying at the moment. My personal returns have increased if anything. Certain items within the market can go through cycles of profitability or outright collapse but keeping current in the portfolio of items traded should counter that easily.

Compared to two or three years ago the number of bots have decreased dramatically in my opinion. Compared to last year there were fewer traders in the market areas I traded which, while making my trading life easier, it did made some manipulations much more difficult.

My last run through the market was profitable, quite enjoyable for me and seems healthy as ever. Smile

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Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
#12 - 2013-10-07 12:42:06 UTC
Trading is a key part of the economy of eve. If you buy something, it is there because someone put the sell order up (unelss it is an NPC good). Certain markets may dwindle, but Eve trading never dies until the server is off permanently.
arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#13 - 2013-10-07 14:30:24 UTC
Is the world of Trading within eve Dying ???

Yes. This post killed it.

Troll for hire. Cheap prices.

Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-10-08 15:16:21 UTC
op is trolling. he has to be.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Heinky
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-10-08 19:13:22 UTC
With the removal of faction items and such on contracts, the market got allooot smaller.... so less free plexes and ccp wins Blink
joyous the
Slippery Penguin
#16 - 2013-10-08 22:26:08 UTC
Innately Awesome wrote:
The only thing that is killing trading in EVE is 0.01 ISK trade bots who have unlimited amounts of free time.


You should petition CCP to make it a rule players trading is capped at the amount of time you have to play per day.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#17 - 2013-10-08 23:07:26 UTC
Blacksuns wrote:
Hello Fellow Traders

Is Trading withinin eve dying ? i think it is to a point eg slowing down becoming less popular, two many traders, ppl dont have time to etc...

Awarrness : other players becoming aware of the isk there loosing out on by performing a quick sale therefore cutting out the "trader on the buy orders" and setting there own "sell order" and also undercutting sellers "traders"

Players sill perform a quick sale to items that dont have a huge margin profit to be made but this is becoming a big problem for traders


Markets exist because they are a self optimizing facility, born to bring in ever more competitive prices and thin spreads.

You are just witnessing properly working markets in action. Blink

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Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-10-09 02:27:38 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Blacksuns wrote:
Hello Fellow Traders

Is Trading withinin eve dying ? i think it is to a point eg slowing down becoming less popular, two many traders, ppl dont have time to etc...

Awarrness : other players becoming aware of the isk there loosing out on by performing a quick sale therefore cutting out the "trader on the buy orders" and setting there own "sell order" and also undercutting sellers "traders"

Players sill perform a quick sale to items that dont have a huge margin profit to be made but this is becoming a big problem for traders


Markets exist because they are a self optimizing facility, born to bring in ever more competitive prices and thin spreads.

You are just witnessing properly working markets in action. Blink


That was my thought as well. Now if the op learns from the market he will trade in goods that have a decent profit or move to new ground were there is less competition. I swear everyone in eve goes to Jita then finds out its hard to do business there then declare all of eve is just like Jita in their mind anyway and thus we have a post like the op presented to us all.

The nature of PVP in the market either force out your competition or move to greener pastures yourself. This leads to things like the new order exectera.
Aldebaran Aubaris
Free-lances
#19 - 2013-10-21 11:12:22 UTC
I think its more a question of *where* they're trading more than anything, Jita is absurdly saturated, I tend to use other markets.
Travonus Trapoll
Magister Mortalis.
#20 - 2013-10-21 12:56:44 UTC
The only thing i have found during my 3 months of eve is that the more FTP players fr the so many days will try earn the 500+mill to get plex. Now not saying trade in general but mining ore is getting harder as prices are now lowering alot. Apart from that i've made alot of profit buying and trading goods across eve. it certainly is not dieing.
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