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Vindicator & Hybrid buff
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EMPIRE TRAD3R
Furious Intentions
#1 - 2011-11-16 12:53:55 UTC
How is the Vindi with the new 5% increase? It's possible already to get over 2000 dps, will the Vindi really be balanced? It's going to literally ruin people.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-11-16 12:56:05 UTC
it will do a bit more damage and track stuff better, while having more fitting space.

that's it.

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#3 - 2011-11-16 12:59:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
As more and more changes are announced, Vindicator DPS is literally rising quicker than power levels throughout the Dragon Ball Z series. I checked out some guy's fit with a ship scanner, and then angrily broke it. Well, I had to do it the hardway by overheating surrounding modules, but the principle is the same.

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Admiral Rufus
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#4 - 2011-11-16 13:07:23 UTC
tbh though, with it costing as much as it does whilst having a paperthin tank, its ok as it is. Although i still run away from them
EMPIRE TRAD3R
Furious Intentions
#5 - 2011-11-16 13:10:39 UTC
Admiral Rufus wrote:
tbh though, with it costing as much as it does whilst having a paperthin tank, its ok as it is. Although i still run away from them


I have a pre-buff fit (did it atleast 4 months ago) of 2.5k dps and 200k ehp. Seriously worried what this thing would do now...
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-11-16 13:34:37 UTC
EMPIRE TRAD3R wrote:
Admiral Rufus wrote:
tbh though, with it costing as much as it does whilst having a paperthin tank, its ok as it is. Although i still run away from them


I have a pre-buff fit (did it atleast 4 months ago) of 2.5k dps and 200k ehp. Seriously worried what this thing would do now...


False

Ferox #1
Daedalus Arcova
The Scope
#7 - 2011-11-16 13:46:48 UTC
EMPIRE TRAD3R wrote:
It's going to literally ruin people.


And so it should. The Vindicator ought to be an absolute monster of a ship at short range. If you get too close, you die.

For pretty much everything other than 800m faction battleships though, hybrids will still suck.
EMPIRE TRAD3R
Furious Intentions
#8 - 2011-11-16 13:51:43 UTC
Kietay Ayari wrote:
EMPIRE TRAD3R wrote:
Admiral Rufus wrote:
tbh though, with it costing as much as it does whilst having a paperthin tank, its ok as it is. Although i still run away from them


I have a pre-buff fit (did it atleast 4 months ago) of 2.5k dps and 200k ehp. Seriously worried what this thing would do now...


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Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
#9 - 2011-11-16 13:58:23 UTC
You have to mind that the vindicator:


  • Costs 1b for the hull only.
  • Will not pay out insurance if blown to bits.
  • Has a very limitted supply of ships - only maybe a few hundred of them on the market atm and as far as I recall - not found too often even in plexes, you basically need a 7+/10 to even get chance of getting a bpc. When I was down in Period Basis we I managed to get 2-3 bhaalgorns a month and I was really scanning within a 10j radius of my home system and going a hell of a ride to get to the escalations.
  • Attracts a lot of attention (as all faction ships do) so in a fleet it's the first one to be taken down, plus people will sometimes go several jumps to get on the KM.
  • Is not that agile (it's a battleship after all).
  • The fitting to get dps above 2k costs more than the ship hull (at least ATM).
  • The insane dps you'r talking about is blasters - remember that it's only theoretical dps you can reach if you and enemy are either stationary or flying alongside / using a MWD to make your sig insane, or against caps which will have a support fleet taht will tear the vindicator to shreads since it will be primary.
  • Blaster range still sucks, even after the patch it will suck.


In other words (for the TL;DR) the vindicator is either for really small gang pvp opportunistic hunters, for structure bashing if no dreads are in sight or as a toy. It's also awesome for pve but people suicide gank it if they see one in hope for cool drops or just for griefing.

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Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-11-16 13:58:27 UTC
almost 30,000 hitpoints bellow what you said :| also who knows what fantastic super spinny officer faction double sansha mods are on there as well as implants! >:D

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EMPIRE TRAD3R
Furious Intentions
#11 - 2011-11-16 14:00:14 UTC
Kietay Ayari wrote:
almost 30,000 hitpoints bellow what you said :| also who knows what fantastic super spinny officer faction double sansha mods are on there as well as implants! >:D


Apparently also failing to notice no fleet bonuses.

When you have unlimited ISK who even cares? :)
Gods Coldblood
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-11-16 14:01:15 UTC
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Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
#13 - 2011-11-16 14:04:23 UTC
EMPIRE TRAD3R wrote:
Kietay Ayari wrote:
almost 30,000 hitpoints bellow what you said :| also who knows what fantastic super spinny officer faction double sansha mods are on there as well as implants! >:D


Apparently also failing to notice no fleet bonuses.

When you have unlimited ISK who even cares? :)


Dude if you'r considering people will spend unlimited isk on ships... Especially ships you WILL LOSE as they are pvp ships - you are wrong.

The amount of ships fitted that well and people willing to inject implants specifically for the ships dps maxout will be as common as the margin of error. You will see those kinds of people, sure... And if it happens that people use that kind of ship and lose it - they'll be written about by the IC. It'll be that rare.

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Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-11-16 14:06:17 UTC
>_> Well I'm just saying, its not really a problem if only 5 people in EVE can ever fit them like that and it inflates someone's kill boards by 6 billion every time one does die.

Ferox #1
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#15 - 2011-11-16 14:06:24 UTC
Kietay Ayari wrote:
almost 30,000 hitpoints bellow what you said :| also who knows what fantastic super spinny officer faction double sansha mods are on there as well as implants! >:D

His fit is basically one plate, one A-Type EANM, DCU II, and four top-tier magstabs. Not sure whether those are T2 blasters with Void L, or officer + 20% faction ammo. Not in game to check so don't quote me on it. Full HG Slave set, 6% hardwirings. His minimum resist EHP is about 138,000 though. I don't use EFT, so I don't know whether or not the DPS value shown takes into account overheating.

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EMPIRE TRAD3R
Furious Intentions
#16 - 2011-11-16 14:07:03 UTC
Dr Karsun wrote:
EMPIRE TRAD3R wrote:
Kietay Ayari wrote:
almost 30,000 hitpoints bellow what you said :| also who knows what fantastic super spinny officer faction double sansha mods are on there as well as implants! >:D


Apparently also failing to notice no fleet bonuses.

When you have unlimited ISK who even cares? :)


Dude if you'r considering people will spend unlimited isk on ships... Especially ships you WILL LOSE as they are pvp ships - you are wrong.

The amount of ships fitted that well and people willing to inject implants specifically for the ships dps maxout will be as common as the margin of error. You will see those kinds of people, sure... And if it happens that people use that kind of ship and lose it - they'll be written about by the IC. It'll be that rare.


I fly with slaves/crystals and +5 hardwires all the time, as do the majority of the people I currently fly with and the people I've flown with before that.
Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
#17 - 2011-11-16 14:12:53 UTC
EMPIRE TRAD3R wrote:
Dr Karsun wrote:
EMPIRE TRAD3R wrote:
Kietay Ayari wrote:
almost 30,000 hitpoints bellow what you said :| also who knows what fantastic super spinny officer faction double sansha mods are on there as well as implants! >:D


Apparently also failing to notice no fleet bonuses.

When you have unlimited ISK who even cares? :)


Dude if you'r considering people will spend unlimited isk on ships... Especially ships you WILL LOSE as they are pvp ships - you are wrong.

The amount of ships fitted that well and people willing to inject implants specifically for the ships dps maxout will be as common as the margin of error. You will see those kinds of people, sure... And if it happens that people use that kind of ship and lose it - they'll be written about by the IC. It'll be that rare.


I fly with slaves/crystals and +5 hardwires all the time, as do the majority of the people I currently fly with and the people I've flown with before that.


As I said, there are very few people who do that. Most people try to limit the possible loss. You are one of the maybe few thousand subscribers who probably also own a SC.

This does not change the fact, that it'll be very rare to see people paying out such huge amounts of cash to get that dps. It's cheaper to get a dread if you want to battle caps or structures and it's probably less likely to get blown up.




And ps - I'm really looking forward to making the vindicator better. It's time to liquidate my vindicator supply and I'm sure the price will go up thanks to people like you ;)

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SilentSkills
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2011-11-16 14:13:20 UTC
EMPIRE TRAD3R wrote:
Admiral Rufus wrote:
tbh though, with it costing as much as it does whilst having a paperthin tank, its ok as it is. Although i still run away from them


I have a pre-buff fit (did it atleast 4 months ago) of 2.5k dps and 200k ehp. Seriously worried what this thing would do now...



your head is worth billions in implants

how much does your vindi cost 40-60 bil?
EMPIRE TRAD3R
Furious Intentions
#19 - 2011-11-16 14:15:46 UTC
SilentSkills wrote:
EMPIRE TRAD3R wrote:
Admiral Rufus wrote:
tbh though, with it costing as much as it does whilst having a paperthin tank, its ok as it is. Although i still run away from them


I have a pre-buff fit (did it atleast 4 months ago) of 2.5k dps and 200k ehp. Seriously worried what this thing would do now...



your head is worth billions in implants

how much does your vindi cost 40-60 bil?


6-8.
Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
#20 - 2011-11-16 14:18:52 UTC
EMPIRE TRAD3R wrote:
SilentSkills wrote:
EMPIRE TRAD3R wrote:
Admiral Rufus wrote:
tbh though, with it costing as much as it does whilst having a paperthin tank, its ok as it is. Although i still run away from them


I have a pre-buff fit (did it atleast 4 months ago) of 2.5k dps and 200k ehp. Seriously worried what this thing would do now...



your head is worth billions in implants

how much does your vindi cost 40-60 bil?


6-8.


Sorry, but if you think random people will just go out and hand over 6b for one ship that isn't a capital - you'r mistaken. Sure, I could just almost empty my wallet now and buy one of those, but wait... A carrier, a dread, a triage carrier, and a set of 20 sniper battleships would be a batter idea and I'd have around 1-1.5b spare isk still.

Keep dreaming dude, if you think 2.5k dps for 6-8b is overpowered considering you have a paper tank, it's not a problem.

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