EVE General Discussion

I dislike the New Order, not because they gank people and bump miners (this is EVE, there is no truly safe and pvp-free space), but because their self-righteous attitude is annoying. Look, you are not the "saviours of highsec" or working for some noble goal to make the world a better place. You gank people. Just say it and stop acting all high and mighty.

If you have problems with them, they aren't really that hard to deal with. Don't mine in the systems with tons of gankers, keep an eye out for potential gankers (ie. don't afk mine), and fit a proper tank on your barges. Or get somebody to wardec them and protect your mining op with pvp ships.

Also, unrelated to the New Order, but while I am not a miner myself (I have an alt that does all things industry related, including mining, but that's hardly what I focus on), I can't help to notice there seems to be a common attitude of resentment towards people who do mining and industry, with many people implying that they are playing the game wrong. Mining, mind-numbingly boring as it may be, is a vital part of EVE as a player-run economy is one of the main selling points of EVE. No mining and industry would mean that everybody would be flying in noobships.
People often say that EVE is a sandbox, usually to justify why ganking and scamming people is allowed. The ability to do whatever you like is indeed one of the biggest selling points of EVE, but a lot of these people seem to think the sanbox means that they should be allowed to do what they like the best and anybody who likes doing something different is wrong. If we are to truly accept the open-ended, sandboxy nature of EVE, we must also accept that there is no "right" or "wrong" way to play, and every path is equally valid, depending on what you like doing the most.
Some people want to blow up space ships alone or with friends, others want to run empires and hold sovereingty. Still others want to earn isk by trading or producing commodities. All of these are equally valid choises and none of them is "bad" or "wrong".

In role playing terms, they are scum and must die. Out of gamer they are brilliant. The world is too PC, this is not cyber bullying. What they do is well within the rules of this sandbox game. As a character, they need to be stopped. As a player they need to be applauded. Always remember, Eve is a game.

Hit approach on the asteroid and you can't be bumped out of range. Mine in a tanked ship and you won't be blown up.


There we go. I just solved minerbumping for carebears everywhere.

Glad I have never run into these scumbags. You want me to pay to mine and then demand that I put your advert into my bio? Not going to happen, to get anything put into my bio your going to have to PAY ME to place it there, not the other way around.

New Order is nothing, one they have limited personel and two you have so many places to mine that they cannot be everywhere. Fly cheap ships with a tank of some sort, mine in less travelled space and last but not least play the game your way not anyone elses.

Time to go back to afk mining and get online lab work done before tonight. Peace.

Honestly I have no problem with people ganking. Sure it's annoying but it's part of the game. It's the attitude I hate. And it's that hate they revel in.

I'm not into ganking, just not my style. I like drones, ewar, ecm, and logi. Or black ops type stuff.

You can blame parts of that on the GM team. James got told awhile back, that ganking and bumping "without a point" could be GM actionable. With the amount of tears and petitions a group like The New Order generates, we have to be careful to follow TOS and EULA to the T.

Lets put it like this...James got his bio wiped, because it contained a link to minerbumping, that had a 1.5 year old GM response posted on the legality of miner bumping. Yes, some butthurt pubbie was able to convince a GM that THAT was enough to take action on an account.

I'm sure a few New Order folks would love to ditch the whole "Saviour of Highsec" schtick, and just bump and gank for ISK, but....gotta follow dem roolz.

Capsuleer ships do have less crew than npc ones

This is all you need to read.

I wouldn't say that the player-run economy aspect is the main selling point of Eve, more of a very noteworthy attribute.The selling point of Eve is the sandbox, the many paths one can take throughout Eve and the PvP. If I were to explain Eve to someone those would be my main points; you can die anywhere, shoot and anything and you can sell prostitutes in npc null if you wanted to.

It's not that people who gank miners hate them. It's more of the highsec community seems to have this feeling of entitlement as well as highsec = safesec and miners are labeled this probably the most. The gankers, or pirates are bringing in the realization that highsec isn't safe. Also, through the destruction of the ship, the gankee with eventually experience humility; thus, reducing entitlement. And it all fits beautifully in the 'anything can happen' aspect of the game. Some are a bit more zealous in showing it and this is where you have the New Order. As already mentioned, NO had to provide RP, the story to provide the why in order to completely follow the EULA/ToS.

Mining is a vital part of the game and without it ship prices would sky-rocket and ship production would diminish. However, highsec mining is not the holy grail of mining; there are other ways/places to mine in Eve.

There is indeed a right/wrong way to play and people will always agree and disagree; however, when it comes down how one wants to play Eve and as what, then yes there is no wrong choice. One must be willing to deal with the consequences of one's actions, or decisions, however. Sandbox mmo means that you create the ride, or content. It does not mean that people have to be accepting of all play-styles. By your own definition you must accept NO as a legitimate play-style.