Player Features and Ideas Discussion

These will get rolled out on SISSI on Monday. We'll see how squishy they are then.

Sentinel should probably get 25mb bandwidth and 75mb total bay. It has no bonus to drones and won't have any weapons fitted in the highs generally, so I think the ability to field 5 unbonused light drones is about right. Capacitor capacity bonus on a Caldari ship seems strange. Otherwise changes look good.

Whatever do you mean, there is nothing wrong with 30km small neuts hitting you as if they were mediums, scramblers competing with disruptors for the 'best range' award or vanilla webs being able to outrange all but a few sub-BS ships .. certainly not when taken in the context of frigate combat or as support for cruiser gangs!

To whom it may concern: Some stuff that sees limited use can indeed be sorted by adding digits to existing bonuses and blanket buffs, but eWar frigs is not part of that pile.
Sit down and have a chat over a brew and figure out what their place is meant to be, who they are supposed to go against/with and how hard it should be to deviate from those points .. then revisit them.
Seen it mentioned numerous times in this thread and in threads over the years, their primary fault is being fat and lazy (ie. high sig and low'ish speeds) whereas their function is pretty much where it should be - they basically just need help to stay around long enough for that function to make a difference.

Giving them range/power enough to force an opponent to upship just by them being there will mothball them just as surely as being anemic did as the majority actually want the fights. Assuming the Recons will retain their functionality, how can making frig platforms perform as their bigger cousins not break balance below said cousins .. bad Dev, bad!

Think. Rethink. Do.

As if recons aren't OP enough

I'd like to know this as well. Which one is relying on drones here? The one with no highslot EWar that it has to worry about and 2 free and open turret/high slots, or the one that has bonuses to the only highslot EWar in game and has to put that in its highslots (in order to actually use its bonuses), not allowing much space for actual guns?

I understand the "Gallente is the drone race" idea, but in this case it's just that much more necessary for one to have drones, where the other can get away without it.

Well to be honest, I've been preaching this too. 30km neuts dropping a frigs cap to 0 in 4 neut cycles (for a 2 neut Sentinel, that's 6 seconds) while also having the ability to completely shut down an opponent's weapons *and* do decent DPS thanks to the flight of drones? I'm both looking forward to and not looking forward to this patch.

Not that the Keres is any better. It has 2 highs that can be put to guns, and it can scram any frigate at 18km and damp almost any frigate to under 10 (or even 5)km locking range and freely murder it over time.

in reality you usually entering combat in 60% of cap, so it means you will be dead in the water in 4 sec.

Well I said 6 seconds on a 2 neut Sentinel because you get the first cycle right away, and then the second cycle hits after 6 seconds (cold). So the cap is empty in up to 6 seconds, tops. That's why I used that, because it's an assurance of when it's done by.

I feel that the sentinel in particular needs either a 4th highslot or a greater bonus to neuting. The current neut amount just isn't worth it to be good for anything against larger things which makes it practically very limited outside of FW. Additionally why not swap the cap recharge bonus for a optimal range bonus to td's when both the kitsune and the hyena both have range bonuses, and then just make the capacitor naturally bigger/recharge more.

I'd take the drones off the Sentinel. You might say the drones are its only weapons, and I would counter that by saying that energy neutralizers ARE weapons. I would definitely fly a Sentinel without drones, in fact I'm considering that it might be the most powerful of the 4 EAFs without its drones.