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What FiS stuff would you be willing to pay Aurum for? There's a few things I'd be glad to i
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TFirish3
Apollo's Rising
#41 - 2011-11-16 13:41:43 UTC
obvious CCP alt is obvious

http://www.rollinseveride.blogspot.com
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
#42 - 2011-11-16 14:01:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Azahni Vah'nos
It's not about the money, CCP is only doing it for your benefit. To give you meaningful content in EVE. Honest!
It's pretty annoying after reading some of CCP's previous statements regarding the reason for the NeX store being in the game. Including the spin doctor lines they gave the CSM.

CCP Dr.EyjoG presentation from 23Aug11 talking about microtransactions and fashion in EVE. Fashion through the looking glass, presentation starts at about 1:54:00, the sound is pretty ordinary in certain sections.

It was amusing when he talks about clothing items being meaningful, yet they are delivered via the meaningless NEX Store. How about delivering them through the player sandbox process, then they would have some meaning.

I also thought the fact that the presentation was being streamed to Second Life was pretty ironic concidering how many players say "go to Second Life if you want to play dressup Barbie".

TLDR: He puts a real world money value on the in-game economy transactions in EVE and CCP seems to want a slice of that with contentless virtual goods.

Here's hoping that is no longer their 'vision'.


CSM Minutes wrote:
Aurum would not be limited to Incarna clothes, but it would serve as the framework for future EVE Virtual Goods features.
After reading things like that, how much of what happened could of been avoided had the CSM not given the NEX Store their tick of approval.

Nex (Cash Shop) / Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future.

Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#43 - 2011-11-16 14:06:32 UTC
I am actually saving my Aurum in the hope that i might someday buy something like this:

http://www.fotodigimarco.eu/US%202006/DM/SharkMOUTH.JPG

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2011-11-16 14:32:19 UTC
Ship/Structure upgrades i'd like to be for sale in the nex store
Note nothing that give a player an advantage over another is to be added.

1. Customized Ship Skins
2. Customized Ship Names/Corp/Alliance Logos displayed on the hull.
3. Customized Outpost Exterior Skins
4. Customized Outpost CQ's & Establishment furniture items
5. Customized POCO Skins


these could be implented by a kind of system similar to how avatars are created. But Players can also type in the Text to be displayed on ship/structure names and chose sizes and fonts for that text.

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#45 - 2011-11-16 14:51:27 UTC
David Grogan wrote:
Ship/Structure upgrades i'd like to be for sale in the nex store
Note nothing that give a player an advantage over another is to be added.

1. Customized Ship Skins
2. Customized Ship Names/Corp/Alliance Logos displayed on the hull.
3. Customized Outpost Exterior Skins
4. Customized Outpost CQ's & Establishment furniture items
5. Customized POCO Skins


these could be implented by a kind of system similar to how avatars are created. But Players can also type in the Text to be displayed on ship/structure names and chose sizes and fonts for that text.



Why do you want that through the NeX store rather than delivered as content you pay your subscription for?

This stuff SHOULD be in the client by default and this level of customization should either be available for free (ie customization tabs when building outposts/ships etc) or through player industry and sold on the eve market within the traditional sandbox economics of Eve Online.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2011-11-16 14:55:31 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Nothing while I pay subscriptions.
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#47 - 2011-11-16 15:00:14 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Nothing while I pay subscriptions.


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Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
#48 - 2011-11-16 15:08:22 UTC

  • HATS!
  • Corp / alliance logo on my ship, at least on the battleships and the capital sized ones.
  • Allowing others to enter my CQ.
  • A pair of gloves... It seems that the CQ is extremely cold, or is it just me getting that impression?
  • A plasma gun so I can shoot while bored in my CQ.

"Have you had your morning coffee?" -> the Coffee Lovers Brewing Club is recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=363976#post363976
Korin Corax
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2011-11-16 15:18:40 UTC
Nothing that could conceivably be produced and marketed by players through the market/ contract system. This includes any and all "vanity" items.

Not a fan of MT in any game I have to pay a sub for.
Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
#50 - 2011-11-16 15:21:34 UTC
Ris Dnalor wrote:
I don't really care, especially if that means CCP gets extra revenue to put back into their other games.


Fixed that for you.

Also -

Jita Alt666 wrote:
Nothing while I pay subscriptions.
I-I
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2011-11-16 15:28:51 UTC
Nothing at all. Remove the Store.

Don't get me wrong, there are some fun and some great ideas in this thread.

But they could all be added to the game, ship customisation skill, plus a pretty little spray booth in station...god could you imagine the abominations that would be created....would need a tick box to allow players to choose whether to download skins.

My point is simply that these ideas could be added in game without the need for Aurum.

CCP want more revenue? Of course they do, then go out and make the absolute, unequivocally most awesome space game in existence.

Take a holistic look at what has made some of the greatest games in history GREAT!
Not just computer games, any game, take a look at immersion, imagine how an awesome book grips you, the character development, main plot, sub plot etc.

Brain storm (can we still say that?) all those ideas over and over and distil all that intel’ into one epic vision of greatness.

You know I do think CCP have done all this in times gone by, but it never hurts to get that fever back, and to be honest I feel some of that has made its way into the Winter expansion.

I’m looking forward to EVE again, six months ago I had serious doubts.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2011-11-16 15:28:54 UTC
updated OP with a summary of some of the opinions so far.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

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IGNATIUS HOOD
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2011-11-16 15:58:27 UTC
OP; everything you listed except for some of the nonsense at the bottom are what I would happily term as 'game features' alas, I pay a sub for the game and ergo I should have these without paying extra.

I really want to customize my ship color schemes but I will not pay extra for the privledge. If it never happens I won't lose sleep over it but there you go.

Pay to win or pay to play, not both.
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."   --H.L. Mencken
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#54 - 2011-11-16 16:32:51 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
David Grogan wrote:
Ship/Structure upgrades i'd like to be for sale in the nex store
Note nothing that give a player an advantage over another is to be added.

1. Customized Ship Skins
2. Customized Ship Names/Corp/Alliance Logos displayed on the hull.
3. Customized Outpost Exterior Skins
4. Customized Outpost CQ's & Establishment furniture items
5. Customized POCO Skins


these could be implented by a kind of system similar to how avatars are created. But Players can also type in the Text to be displayed on ship/structure names and chose sizes and fonts for that text.



Why do you want that through the NeX store rather than delivered as content you pay your subscription for?

This stuff SHOULD be in the client by default and this level of customization should either be available for free (ie customization tabs when building outposts/ships etc) or through player industry and sold on the eve market within the traditional sandbox economics of Eve Online.


Why SHOULD?

Dev resources paid by subs are limited. Cool metagame extras cost a lot of dev resources. I don't want these limited dev resources to be spent on ship paintjobs. Instead, I gladly pay a bit of extra for this metagame stuff, if it means the same resources are allocated to the game itself, and the extra revenue on MT is used to fund these extra features.

Anyway skins involve the sandbox by requiring the player-manufactured item to be skinned.


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Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#55 - 2011-11-16 16:40:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
CCP is calling these "Virtual goods" because they want to charge a way hell of a **** ton more than they deserve to be paid for.

Sure, if you give a crapload of people "Free" Virtual Money and watch them spend it doesn't make it successful. They need a total price restructuring and they would sell a hell of a lot more PLEX.


In my opinion, if the prices on NEX were launched at 1/5 of their current prices CCP would have made millions over that week in PLEX purchases and so forth. The "playing it safe to protect the PLEX" economy, IMHO was a mistake.

Combined that with a 10% off on all PLEX for that week, they could have made a freaking killing on speculation. Instead, they decimated everything players would have had fun for with such a market system. They killed it before it was even born.


There is nothing I would pay for with AUR given the current price scheme. They seriously need to rework this nonsense into something that fits into a contemporary pricing scheme before I'd look into anything involving the NEX store.

Where I am.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#56 - 2011-11-16 16:45:31 UTC
Roime wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
David Grogan wrote:
Ship/Structure upgrades i'd like to be for sale in the nex store
Note nothing that give a player an advantage over another is to be added.

1. Customized Ship Skins
2. Customized Ship Names/Corp/Alliance Logos displayed on the hull.
3. Customized Outpost Exterior Skins
4. Customized Outpost CQ's & Establishment furniture items
5. Customized POCO Skins


these could be implented by a kind of system similar to how avatars are created. But Players can also type in the Text to be displayed on ship/structure names and chose sizes and fonts for that text.



Why do you want that through the NeX store rather than delivered as content you pay your subscription for?

This stuff SHOULD be in the client by default and this level of customization should either be available for free (ie customization tabs when building outposts/ships etc) or through player industry and sold on the eve market within the traditional sandbox economics of Eve Online.


Why SHOULD?

Dev resources paid by subs are limited. Cool metagame extras cost a lot of dev resources. I don't want these limited dev resources to be spent on ship paintjobs. Instead, I gladly pay a bit of extra for this metagame stuff, if it means the same resources are allocated to the game itself, and the extra revenue on MT is used to fund these extra features.

Anyway skins involve the sandbox by requiring the player-manufactured item to be skinned.




Absolute rubbish.

CCP make A LOT of money from Eve Online subsciptions - for the last few years its been enough to fund 2 entire new projects and keep Eve on maintenance mode. Now one of those external projects has been put on the back burner there will be plenty of money for feature development in Eve Online and absolutely no need for this continued nickel and diming on content represented by NeX/MT.

And don't fool yourself. NeX/MT income would not be spent on Eve Online (as we have seen over the last few years) it was spent on other projects (tm).

But ultimately this is a silly argument. Eve makes more money for development by being a better game. If they improve the game that you get with the subs then people will give good reviews and word of mouth to their friends and they will sell more subs.

If on the other hand the word gets wound that the Devs are greedy buggers who are shortchanging people's subs by double charging with MT - then the word will get around that Eve isn't that great and subs will drop.

We know this is the dynamic. At this point there is no reason whatsoever to advocate NeX/MT rubbish unless you are CCP Monocle's alt.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#57 - 2011-11-16 16:47:48 UTC
To be honest it doessn't matter what they put in the NEX store at all at this point.

They put in vanity items and people rage quit.

They talked about putting in "gold ammo" and people raged.

Then they got up and said they would not do that, but the PCU was still down.

They finally got the PCU back up and then announced that WiS was an utter failure and wouldn't be in the next xpac. And thusly killed the PCU again.

I always thought the NeX store was alright but obviously everyone didn't. It rather obvious to me at this point that any alteration whatsoever will create backlash.

TL;DR

As long as Eve only caters to males its sub base will suffer. The NeX store was their first attempt to alter this and it failed.

My only conclusion can be that EvE is for neckbeards who are afraid of pussy.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#58 - 2011-11-16 18:38:57 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
To be honest it doessn't matter what they put in the NEX store at all at this point.

They put in vanity items and people rage quit.

They talked about putting in "gold ammo" and people raged.

Then they got up and said they would not do that, but the PCU was still down.

They finally got the PCU back up and then announced that WiS was an utter failure and wouldn't be in the next xpac. And thusly killed the PCU again.

I always thought the NeX store was alright but obviously everyone didn't. It rather obvious to me at this point that any alteration whatsoever will create backlash.

TL;DR

As long as Eve only caters to males its sub base will suffer. The NeX store was their first attempt to alter this and it failed.

My only conclusion can be that EvE is for neckbeards who are afraid of *****.





Why do you have such a low opinion of women that you believe they can be attracted to a game by overpriced MT rubbish in a subscription MMO?

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
ShipToaster
#59 - 2011-11-16 19:17:46 UTC
DUMP THE NEX ( unless you dump subscriptions )

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Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#60 - 2011-11-16 19:25:18 UTC
God dude, dont even give them the ideas

They likely already HAD these ideas then they lost all those subs over the summer and realized that was a bad way to look at things.

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.