EVE General Discussion

I nominate James 315 to be given a tech 2 BPO in a secret giveaway. Perhaps ten Light Neutron Blaster II BPOs would be suitable for him.

He can keep a secret, and runs an EVE blog that has got four thousand views per day for the last year, and has been instrumental in getting a number of players to make second accounts and to get their RL friends playing the game.


Next, give TEST alliance a few BPOs, they look like they could use the help at the moment.

Such a giveaway should be an open celebration for all of highsec to rejoice. I would suggest a special edition NO catalyst BPO as well.

Upon reflection, something occurred to me. Somer got rewarded TWICE. Once with the scorps, once with the drawing. That's a whole lot of rewardin' goin' on.

Between free accounts for fansites and giant piles of ISK, CCP has expertly managed to undermine EVE-related journalism (if it can be called that). Bloggers and site operators now have an incentive to engage in self-censorship and cheerleading. After all, who wants to cheat themselves out of assloads of ISK? It's all the more concerning because a significant portion of the CSM have sites or are closely affiliated with one. I'm not making a straight up accusation, but this is precisely why professional news organizations have such strict ethics guidelines. It's the reason that Amazon, Yelp, and other internet sites fight so hard against fake reviews and the like. Giving and receiving gifts or money fundamentally undermines confidence in the product and the sites themselves.

If the basic argument that many of the CSM are making is "CCP can do whatever they want, it's their game," my question is where is the line? If there is none, then we start getting into old school tinfoil hattery, but this time, it will have an actual basis in fact. And once the theorizing begins, it will never end. Will they begin justifying other actions on the basis of player retention or new player recruitment? How will we be able to tell? If anyone thinks CCP's eventual list of rules for this stuff will clear it all up, you obviously haven't been playing EVE for long.

There really isn't any point in continuing this thread. The die is cast *cough*. Your only real decision is whether to log on or log off. If you choose to log on, you can STFU already, because you're simply validating their decisions.

At the end of the day you're all making a fuss over a game. A very complex and deep game that some people have serious commitments to, but a game non the less.

Real world rules need not apply here. Real world ethics certainly don't.

If people were this passionate about stuff that actually mattered the US government wouldn't be spying on the whole world. Could this be a couple of unimportant persons seeing this as their chance to 'stick it to the man' because they can't stick it to the actual man? If so, you're terribly failing. Everyone is complaining and bitching and screaming how they are going to stop playing. But at the end of the day everyone will log on. Everyone will play and no-one will have the spine to stand up for what they believe in. Just like in real life.

Spend your time useful for crying out loud. It's internet spaceships. Someone has more virtual stuff than you. Boo-*******-hoo.

How did I let myself get sucked into this drama... I'm out!

…which, of course, still isn't the issue no matter how much you want to make it so.

Real-world rules and ethics don't apply to the real world? That's… interesting.

CCP exists in the real world. The fansites exist in the real world. Real human beings are the recipients of real rewards (game time is real, you can even purchase it with money).

But you've touched, however incompentently, on the real issue. If the argument is that it's their game, there's no point sitting around and whining. Log on or log off. Everything else is bullshit.

A coralskipper?

Three times, actually. It's just that the first time it happened, it was to a small enough extent that nobody really thought much of it. It was only when they gave them really rare ships for their drawing did people start to think that maybe CCP shouldn't be handing out items of value to organizations like this, secret or not, for purposes of using them in a lottery or not.

No one cares about stuff like that, so we're bad people and should just give up

That's what you ccp puppets are reduced to?

Everyone says I post only trash because I am a goon

but ~secretly~ on our classified goonfleetdotcom forums, ...