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Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc.
#21 - 2013-10-06 20:37:48 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Xtreem wrote:
If I was CSM I would be PISSED over the lack of communications from CCP over all this, any reasonable company that got called on the big givaway would have come clean and "oh actually we gave away 30 of them in Aug"

But they did not, CSM try their best but with CCP treating them as a joke means they can't be effective no matter how honest their intent.


Ishokone Scorpions were nothing to do with the 'big giveaway' so why would they come up. They already announced a while back they were being used as community give aways, and as has been pointed out they aren't the only group that has gotten them either.

Am I entirely happy with this news. Of course not. But at the same time, this isn't a scandal of any worthy note. It's TMC trying to make news Fox style.


Playing only just over a year, I would not expect you to understand how unique ships are handled in game (at least pre 2013, I admit it seems CCP has changed their view)
Tilly Delnero
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-10-06 20:59:03 UTC
So... I'm the only person who still really wants Incarna gambling and strippers then? Oops
EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-10-06 21:07:57 UTC
ok I looked up shill in the Urban dictionary is it
1)
A person engaged in covert advertising. The shill attempts to spread buzz by personally endorsing the product in public forums with the pretense of sincerity, when in fact he is being paid for his services.

or
2)
The chills a person gets as a result of having to take a terribly bad ****.
After I ate Taco Bell my stomach was such a mess that I got the shills in class and had to leave.
Din Chao
#24 - 2013-10-06 21:12:13 UTC
EvEa Deva wrote:
ok I looked up shill in the Urban dictionary is it
1)
A person engaged in covert advertising. The shill attempts to spread buzz by personally endorsing the product in public forums with the pretense of sincerity, when in fact he is being paid for his services.

or
2)
The chills a person gets as a result of having to take a terribly bad ****.
After I ate Taco Bell my stomach was such a mess that I got the shills in class and had to leave.


Both work.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#25 - 2013-10-06 21:16:37 UTC
Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Xtreem wrote:
If I was CSM I would be PISSED over the lack of communications from CCP over all this, any reasonable company that got called on the big givaway would have come clean and "oh actually we gave away 30 of them in Aug"

But they did not, CSM try their best but with CCP treating them as a joke means they can't be effective no matter how honest their intent.


Ishokone Scorpions were nothing to do with the 'big giveaway' so why would they come up. They already announced a while back they were being used as community give aways, and as has been pointed out they aren't the only group that has gotten them either.

Am I entirely happy with this news. Of course not. But at the same time, this isn't a scandal of any worthy note. It's TMC trying to make news Fox style.


Fox news twists stories and interviews to make the American government look good with little to no evidence at all. TMC may skew their articles to make the CFC look good at times, but at least they provide things like screen shots and chat logs with some of their articles. That and the fact that their article on this defies the overall governing authority of eve (the devs) instead of skewing it to make CCP look good is enough to differ them from fox news.

Lets face it. Love or hate TMC, without it we would be stuck with things like evenews 24 or kugutsumen.

EN24 would try to find a way to blame goons somehow.

Probably because somer is actually a cfc rmt front for the mittani

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc.
#26 - 2013-10-06 21:24:26 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Xtreem wrote:
If I was CSM I would be PISSED over the lack of communications from CCP over all this, any reasonable company that got called on the big givaway would have come clean and "oh actually we gave away 30 of them in Aug"

But they did not, CSM try their best but with CCP treating them as a joke means they can't be effective no matter how honest their intent.


Ishokone Scorpions were nothing to do with the 'big giveaway' so why would they come up. They already announced a while back they were being used as community give aways, and as has been pointed out they aren't the only group that has gotten them either.

Am I entirely happy with this news. Of course not. But at the same time, this isn't a scandal of any worthy note. It's TMC trying to make news Fox style.


Fox news twists stories and interviews to make the American government look good with little to no evidence at all. TMC may skew their articles to make the CFC look good at times, but at least they provide things like screen shots and chat logs with some of their articles. That and the fact that their article on this defies the overall governing authority of eve (the devs) instead of skewing it to make CCP look good is enough to differ them from fox news.

Lets face it. Love or hate TMC, without it we would be stuck with things like evenews 24 or kugutsumen.

EN24 would try to find a way to blame goons somehow.

Probably because somer is actually a cfc rmt front for the mittani


TBF it normally is goons... it is quite unusual in the scheme of things that it is neither goons or BOB causing this.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#27 - 2013-10-06 21:34:07 UTC
Xtreem wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Xtreem wrote:
If I was CSM I would be PISSED over the lack of communications from CCP over all this, any reasonable company that got called on the big givaway would have come clean and "oh actually we gave away 30 of them in Aug"

But they did not, CSM try their best but with CCP treating them as a joke means they can't be effective no matter how honest their intent.


Ishokone Scorpions were nothing to do with the 'big giveaway' so why would they come up. They already announced a while back they were being used as community give aways, and as has been pointed out they aren't the only group that has gotten them either.

Am I entirely happy with this news. Of course not. But at the same time, this isn't a scandal of any worthy note. It's TMC trying to make news Fox style.


Fox news twists stories and interviews to make the American government look good with little to no evidence at all. TMC may skew their articles to make the CFC look good at times, but at least they provide things like screen shots and chat logs with some of their articles. That and the fact that their article on this defies the overall governing authority of eve (the devs) instead of skewing it to make CCP look good is enough to differ them from fox news.

Lets face it. Love or hate TMC, without it we would be stuck with things like evenews 24 or kugutsumen.

EN24 would try to find a way to blame goons somehow.

Probably because somer is actually a cfc rmt front for the mittani


TBF it normally is goons... it is quite unusual in the scheme of things that it is neither goons or BOB causing this.

You missed some of the earlier posts, they would have told you that apparently this somer person annoyed the mittani who then invented a scandal to bring them down

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#28 - 2013-10-06 21:51:08 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Leigh Akiga wrote:
This is a Ripard Teg callout thread:

We voted for you to talk sense into CCP, let them know the players thoughts and feeings about development and keep them from doing dumb things. Not to white knight the dumbest thing they have done since Incarna.



Come on now, this is barely the 10th dumbest thing since Incarna.

Actually I don't think it's even in the top 10.


what are the top 10, then?

not questioning your judgement, i just want something to read until the sports comes on later.


Most of them are NDA'd, alas.

Seriously though, the Ishscorps were repurposed as community awards. They've been given out as a community award. That's OK. The 'dumb' here was the timing and the not being transparent about it rather than the community award itself. That level of dumb merits a Roll and maybe a :CCP: but this aint no T20 or $1000 Jeans class event. The Derpometer needle barely twitched on this one.

And for all those people jumping on Jester for pointing this out, remember he's also the one that got us the warp speed changes that are going to make a massive difference to the way the game is actually played and will continue to do so until long after this teacup-based storm has been utterly forgotten (ie: Next month)

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2013-10-06 22:01:46 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Seriously though, the Ishscorps were repurposed as community awards. They've been given out as a community award. That's OK. The 'dumb' here was the timing and the not being transparent about it rather than the community award itself. That level of dumb merits a Roll and maybe a :CCP: but this aint no T20 or $1000 Jeans class event. The Derpometer needle barely twitched on this one.

And for all those people jumping on Jester for pointing this out, remember he's also the one that got us the warp speed changes that are going to make a massive difference to the way the game is actually played and will continue to do so until long after this teacup-based storm has been utterly forgotten (ie: Next month)

You don't see the huge ISK value as an issue? I think things such as free gametime are fine rewards to give to community types, but stuff worth a lot of ISK isn't. Also, I feel the main issue with the Jester blog is the dismissal of people's concerns. I mean, yeah, the shitstorm's a bit much at the moment, and some people may indeed be upset because they're not getting scorps themselves, but neither of those is a reason to say the concern of the community is not valid. Ripard's post was a fallacy and deserving of criticism, despite other contributions he's made to CSM
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#30 - 2013-10-06 22:18:54 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Seriously though, the Ishscorps were repurposed as community awards. They've been given out as a community award. That's OK. The 'dumb' here was the timing and the not being transparent about it rather than the community award itself. That level of dumb merits a Roll and maybe a :CCP: but this aint no T20 or $1000 Jeans class event. The Derpometer needle barely twitched on this one.

And for all those people jumping on Jester for pointing this out, remember he's also the one that got us the warp speed changes that are going to make a massive difference to the way the game is actually played and will continue to do so until long after this teacup-based storm has been utterly forgotten (ie: Next month)

You don't see the huge ISK value as an issue? I think things such as free gametime are fine rewards to give to community types, but stuff worth a lot of ISK isn't. Also, I feel the main issue with the Jester blog is the dismissal of people's concerns. I mean, yeah, the shitstorm's a bit much at the moment, and some people may indeed be upset because they're not getting scorps themselves, but neither of those is a reason to say the concern of the community is not valid. Ripard's post was a fallacy and deserving of criticism, despite other contributions he's made to CSM


No I don't see the "huge" ISK value as much of an issue. For the following reasons:

1) The Somer people have more ISK than they know what to do with. The ISK value of this award is meaningless to them.

2) And that ISK value is pretty hypothetical. And it's based purely on the rarity of the Ishscorps given out so far. Note that so far. CCP have said outright that they've given these out before and they're going to be given out again. The mere fact of giving out another 30 has significantly reduced the rarity of these ships.

In fact I think that giving gametime to Somer would be much less appropriate than the Ishscorps. That really would be a straight up money gift, rather than what amounts to a set of harmless souveniers.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2013-10-06 22:28:16 UTC
Malc since that post hasn't got much to do with the blog I'll reply elsewhere
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-10-06 22:28:19 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Seriously though, the Ishscorps were repurposed as community awards. They've been given out as a community award. That's OK. The 'dumb' here was the timing and the not being transparent about it rather than the community award itself. That level of dumb merits a Roll and maybe a :CCP: but this aint no T20 or $1000 Jeans class event. The Derpometer needle barely twitched on this one.

And for all those people jumping on Jester for pointing this out, remember he's also the one that got us the warp speed changes that are going to make a massive difference to the way the game is actually played and will continue to do so until long after this teacup-based storm has been utterly forgotten (ie: Next month)

You don't see the huge ISK value as an issue? I think things such as free gametime are fine rewards to give to community types, but stuff worth a lot of ISK isn't. Also, I feel the main issue with the Jester blog is the dismissal of people's concerns. I mean, yeah, the shitstorm's a bit much at the moment, and some people may indeed be upset because they're not getting scorps themselves, but neither of those is a reason to say the concern of the community is not valid. Ripard's post was a fallacy and deserving of criticism, despite other contributions he's made to CSM


No I don't see the "huge" ISK value as much of an issue. For the following reasons:

1) The Somer people have more ISK than they know what to do with. The ISK value of this award is meaningless to them.

2) And that ISK value is pretty hypothetical. And it's based purely on the rarity of the Ishscorps given out so far. Note that so far. CCP have said outright that they've given these out before and they're going to be given out again. The mere fact of giving out another 30 has significantly reduced the rarity of these ships.

In fact I think that giving gametime to Somer would be much less appropriate than the Ishscorps. That really would be a straight up money gift, rather than what amounts to a set of harmless souveniers.


why then all the secrecy?

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Mabelaba
Bella Donna Enterprises
#33 - 2013-10-06 22:44:26 UTC
The CSM is nothing but a CCP marketing tool. Think that's obvious by now.
Mabelaba
Bella Donna Enterprises
#34 - 2013-10-06 22:46:13 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

And for all those people jumping on Jester for pointing this out, remember he's also the one that got us the warp speed changes that are going to make a massive difference to the way the game is actually played and will continue to do so until long after this teacup-based storm has been utterly forgotten (ie: Next month)


Yeah like we have forgotten the T20 - T2 BPO scandal ...
Charlie Firpol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-10-06 22:48:38 UTC
dexington wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Seriously though, the Ishscorps were repurposed as community awards. They've been given out as a community award. That's OK. The 'dumb' here was the timing and the not being transparent about it rather than the community award itself. That level of dumb merits a Roll and maybe a :CCP: but this aint no T20 or $1000 Jeans class event. The Derpometer needle barely twitched on this one.

And for all those people jumping on Jester for pointing this out, remember he's also the one that got us the warp speed changes that are going to make a massive difference to the way the game is actually played and will continue to do so until long after this teacup-based storm has been utterly forgotten (ie: Next month)

You don't see the huge ISK value as an issue? I think things such as free gametime are fine rewards to give to community types, but stuff worth a lot of ISK isn't. Also, I feel the main issue with the Jester blog is the dismissal of people's concerns. I mean, yeah, the shitstorm's a bit much at the moment, and some people may indeed be upset because they're not getting scorps themselves, but neither of those is a reason to say the concern of the community is not valid. Ripard's post was a fallacy and deserving of criticism, despite other contributions he's made to CSM


No I don't see the "huge" ISK value as much of an issue. For the following reasons:

1) The Somer people have more ISK than they know what to do with. The ISK value of this award is meaningless to them.

2) And that ISK value is pretty hypothetical. And it's based purely on the rarity of the Ishscorps given out so far. Note that so far. CCP have said outright that they've given these out before and they're going to be given out again. The mere fact of giving out another 30 has significantly reduced the rarity of these ships.

In fact I think that giving gametime to Somer would be much less appropriate than the Ishscorps. That really would be a straight up money gift, rather than what amounts to a set of harmless souveniers.


why then all the secrecy?


So you dont get jealous.

The Butcher of Black Rise - eve-radio.com
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#36 - 2013-10-06 22:50:46 UTC
dexington wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Seriously though, the Ishscorps were repurposed as community awards. They've been given out as a community award. That's OK. The 'dumb' here was the timing and the not being transparent about it rather than the community award itself. That level of dumb merits a Roll and maybe a :CCP: but this aint no T20 or $1000 Jeans class event. The Derpometer needle barely twitched on this one.

And for all those people jumping on Jester for pointing this out, remember he's also the one that got us the warp speed changes that are going to make a massive difference to the way the game is actually played and will continue to do so until long after this teacup-based storm has been utterly forgotten (ie: Next month)

You don't see the huge ISK value as an issue? I think things such as free gametime are fine rewards to give to community types, but stuff worth a lot of ISK isn't. Also, I feel the main issue with the Jester blog is the dismissal of people's concerns. I mean, yeah, the shitstorm's a bit much at the moment, and some people may indeed be upset because they're not getting scorps themselves, but neither of those is a reason to say the concern of the community is not valid. Ripard's post was a fallacy and deserving of criticism, despite other contributions he's made to CSM


No I don't see the "huge" ISK value as much of an issue. For the following reasons:

1) The Somer people have more ISK than they know what to do with. The ISK value of this award is meaningless to them.

2) And that ISK value is pretty hypothetical. And it's based purely on the rarity of the Ishscorps given out so far. Note that so far. CCP have said outright that they've given these out before and they're going to be given out again. The mere fact of giving out another 30 has significantly reduced the rarity of these ships.

In fact I think that giving gametime to Somer would be much less appropriate than the Ishscorps. That really would be a straight up money gift, rather than what amounts to a set of harmless souveniers.


why then all the secrecy?


I don't know. I said I thought the lack of transparency was not the best way. (see bolded)

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#37 - 2013-10-06 22:52:44 UTC
Mabelaba wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

And for all those people jumping on Jester for pointing this out, remember he's also the one that got us the warp speed changes that are going to make a massive difference to the way the game is actually played and will continue to do so until long after this teacup-based storm has been utterly forgotten (ie: Next month)


Yeah like we have forgotten the T20 - T2 BPO scandal ...


That actually was a scandal. It was scandalous. This is merely people making hay out of a legit, generous but somewhat clumsily executed gesture.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#38 - 2013-10-06 22:53:12 UTC
Xtreem wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Xtreem wrote:
If I was CSM I would be PISSED over the lack of communications from CCP over all this, any reasonable company that got called on the big givaway would have come clean and "oh actually we gave away 30 of them in Aug"

But they did not, CSM try their best but with CCP treating them as a joke means they can't be effective no matter how honest their intent.


Ishokone Scorpions were nothing to do with the 'big giveaway' so why would they come up. They already announced a while back they were being used as community give aways, and as has been pointed out they aren't the only group that has gotten them either.

Am I entirely happy with this news. Of course not. But at the same time, this isn't a scandal of any worthy note. It's TMC trying to make news Fox style.


Playing only just over a year, I would not expect you to understand how unique ships are handled in game (at least pre 2013, I admit it seems CCP has changed their view)




The Ishscorps aren't 'uniques'.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Kate stark
#39 - 2013-10-06 22:53:47 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Most of them are NDA'd, alas.

Seriously though, the Ishscorps were repurposed as community awards. They've been given out as a community award. That's OK. The 'dumb' here was the timing and the not being transparent about it rather than the community award itself. That level of dumb merits a Roll and maybe a :CCP: but this aint no T20 or $1000 Jeans class event. The Derpometer needle barely twitched on this one.

And for all those people jumping on Jester for pointing this out, remember he's also the one that got us the warp speed changes that are going to make a massive difference to the way the game is actually played and will continue to do so until long after this teacup-based storm has been utterly forgotten (ie: Next month)


NDA? oh, c'mon malc... i expected more of you than that.

and i agree the issue, isolated and on it's own, is rather small time. however surely if we let this slide that gives ccp the green light to continue to award things to whoever they want without a single mention of it leading to some potentially hideous errors that could actually damage the game?

surely it's better to kick up a bit of fuss now to prevent something worse down the line?

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-10-06 22:59:33 UTC
People are seriously over reacting.

I swear this is the kind of thing that gets parodied in a south park episode.

Where a little thing gets completely blown up because angry mobs will be angry mobs.

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.