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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#1181 - 2013-10-06 18:37:35 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Why is this allowed?

[Stratios, Webs are token EWAR]
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I

Ogre II x5

A cloaky ship with 760 dps, 3 ewar slots and 55k ehp BEFORE res shift?

Seriously? what the ****?

As I already said, you only have one more mid slot than a Navy Vexor or Ishtar. The Ishtar also have a lot more tank and firepower., and the Navy Vexor have better heavy drones, and I haven't saw you so scared when navy cruisers were rebalanced.

I guess it's the cloak thing who scare the **** out of everyone ; yet cloaky T3 exist for years and they are even less common than 100MN AB ones...



Cloaky t3's are way more expensive and i'm pretty damn sure that the Stratios beats them hands down in combat capabilities.

Also "Just one more" midslot is kind of a big deal.

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Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#1182 - 2013-10-06 19:03:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Bouh Revetoile
There is one odd thing with the Stratios in fact : it have the same number of slots than other pirate ships, which is odd considering drone boats all have one less slots ; except for the Gila.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#1183 - 2013-10-06 19:08:15 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:


Cloaky t3's are way more expensive and i'm pretty damn sure that the Stratios beats them hands down in combat capabilities.

Also "Just one more" midslot is kind of a big deal.


In terms of combat abilities (ignoring tank) it does better than all but the prot.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1184 - 2013-10-06 19:26:04 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
There is one odd thing with the Stratios in fact : it have the same number of slots than other pirate ships, which is odd considering drone boats all have one less slots ; except for the Gila.

Yes could do with -1 slot. But traditionally the lost slot is a high slot for drone boats, at least that is what the Ishtar lost, and te Myrmidon lost, the Eos has one less high slot also.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1185 - 2013-10-06 19:31:44 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
There is one odd thing with the Stratios in fact : it have the same number of slots than other pirate ships, which is odd considering drone boats all have one less slots ; except for the Gila.

Yes could do with -1 slot. But traditionally the lost slot is a high slot for drone boats, at least that is what the Ishtar lost, and te Myrmidon lost, the Eos has one less high slot also.


These users have been reported for using multiple identities to spam this thread. The accounts have posted repeatedly with the intention of giving the impression that a number of people hold a similar view.This has been passed to CCP for action.
He is supporting his own position.

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Wolfcyra
Yorozuya Technologies
#1186 - 2013-10-06 19:44:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Wolfcyra
Didn't read every post in here, but i got a question that comes with the new ships ... are there plans to bring out new sisters of eve items like for example a sisters of eve analyzer and or other items? .... just as a idea tho :)
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1187 - 2013-10-06 19:45:36 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:


Remove the ******* stupid covert ops thing from these ships and make them some other than a group of overpowered twatmobiles.

The Stratios could hold his own in a fight against ANY other pirate cruiser.. (Decimating most in fact) AND it has a cloak? I don't understand the logic behind giving a supposedly more rounded pirate ship the specialization bonus of a recon, its really weird.
The cloak is an integral part of exploration, but was suggested to give them the marauder treatment as to nerf there PVP a bit while not ruining there PVE side.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1188 - 2013-10-06 19:46:42 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
Mr Doctor wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
I guess it's the cloak thing who scare the **** out of everyone ; yet cloaky T3 exist for years and they are even less common than 100MN AB ones...

Cloaky T3s dont do 700+ DPS, not even the Prot (maxes at around 500ish with proper fit and next to no range on that damage).

Not true.

If you calculate the dps the same way people calculated it for the Stratios (overheat all guns and drones), then you have 630 dps with the Proteus.

And the Stratios don't have any more range than blasters. We are talking Ogre dps. And T3 have twice the tank of this Stratios BTW.


15km overheated web range to max Ogre damage application is far greater than 3km void range.
Kenpo
The Guardians of the Beam
#1189 - 2013-10-06 19:50:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Kenpo
Wolfcyra wrote:
Didn't read every post in here, but i got a question that comes with the new ships ... are there plans to bring out new sisters of eve items like for example a sisters of eve analyzer and or other items? .... just as a idea tho :)


Excellent question, unfortunetly I do not have an answer, however, I wouldn't put it past CCP to have something planned that they haven't shared as of yet.

Caution, rubber gloves and faceshield required when handling this equipment.
Reth Alithes
The Weasel Den
#1190 - 2013-10-06 20:21:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Reth Alithes
Wolfcyra wrote:
Didn't read every post in here, but i got a question that comes with the new ships ... are there plans to bring out new sisters of eve items like for example a sisters of eve analyzer and or other items? .... just as a idea tho :)

I'd love to see a Sister's Analyzer. Slightly better than T1 (25 strength vs 20, T2 has 30). Catch is that it can do both data and relic sites so you can save yourself a midslot at the cost of efficiency when hacking.

Also faction Drone mods outside of the Omnilink like the navigation computer or damage amp. But, those would be more likely to come from the Gallente Fed. corporations before they hit the shelves with another.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1191 - 2013-10-06 20:24:09 UTC
Reth Alithes wrote:
Wolfcyra wrote:
Didn't read every post in here, but i got a question that comes with the new ships ... are there plans to bring out new sisters of eve items like for example a sisters of eve analyzer and or other items? .... just as a idea tho :)

I'd love to see a Sister's Analyzer. Slightly better than T1 (25 strength vs 20, T2 has 30). Catch is that it can do both data and relic sites so you can save yourself a midslot at the cost of efficiency.

I think being able to do both would be extremely OP, especially if it was better than a T1 at that point. It would have to either be like other faction mods and have easier fitting and same stats as T2 or heaver fitting and better than T2.

For one to do both it would need to be worse at it than a T1 module.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Reth Alithes
The Weasel Den
#1192 - 2013-10-06 20:26:51 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Reth Alithes wrote:
Wolfcyra wrote:
Didn't read every post in here, but i got a question that comes with the new ships ... are there plans to bring out new sisters of eve items like for example a sisters of eve analyzer and or other items? .... just as a idea tho :)

I'd love to see a Sister's Analyzer. Slightly better than T1 (25 strength vs 20, T2 has 30). Catch is that it can do both data and relic sites so you can save yourself a midslot at the cost of efficiency.

I think being able to do both would be extremely OP, especially if it was better than a T1 at that point. It would have to either be like other faction mods and have easier fitting and same stats as T2 or heaver fitting and better than T2.

For one to do both it would need to be worse at it than a T1 module.

A man can dream, can't he?
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#1193 - 2013-10-06 20:37:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Mr Doctor wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
I guess it's the cloak thing who scare the **** out of everyone ; yet cloaky T3 exist for years and they are even less common than 100MN AB ones...

Cloaky T3s dont do 700+ DPS, not even the Prot (maxes at around 500ish with proper fit and next to no range on that damage).


Cloaky prot can do ~700dps non-heated with cloak + probes fit and upto ~850dps heated in 5 gun cloak but no probes fit. (These are proper fits with battleship sized tanks not 30K EHP max gank fail fits).

EDIT: Infact its possible to get 722dps non-heated out of a cloak + probes fit and still ~110K EHP - the fit I used to use was missing a low slot due to being nullified.
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#1194 - 2013-10-06 20:53:32 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
Not true.

If you calculate the dps the same way people calculated it for the Stratios (overheat all guns and drones), then you have 630 dps with the Proteus.

And the Stratios don't have any more range than blasters. We are talking Ogre dps. And T3 have twice the tank of this Stratios BTW.


15km overheated web range to max Ogre damage application is far greater than 3km void range.

Indeed, but if we go for details like this, we should stop these ridiculous numbers considering oh dps with blasters/void in the Stratios too and start talking about more rational things.

What remain is Ogre dps (4 unbonused guns do marginal dps compared to them). And then, well, it's ogres. If they were so blatantly overpowered, we would know it I think and drone boat wouldn't bother carrying anything else with them would they ?

It's just common sense here : the dps figures of the Stratios come almost only from the Ogres, yet Ogres were more often laugh at than feared and suddenly, because a ship with a cloak have them, they become completely overpowered.

Just a reminder : the last time we saw OP drones was because of tracking bonused Gardes. But hey, if Ogres already were OP, why nobody bothered to abuse them before ?

That leave the cloak, but as I showed, T3 can already do everything people here fear the Stratios to do, but have a largely bigger ehp*dps ratio (what matter in a brawl, and a ship using Ogres is a brawler) than the Stratios and most cruisers, so it's way more dangerous in fact than the Stratios can be ; yet we still haven't seen any cloaky Proteus roaming New Eden in a trail of unavoidable death. Of course T3 will cost more, but the largely higher ehp make them a lot more survivable and people never lacked isks to try such things ; yet Machariels seems to be more commons than these supposedly OP ships.

Because there also this direct relation : if the Stratios is OP, cloaky T3 are also OP. Yet I never heard of these kind of T3 being OP per se. 100MN and other combat variant, yes a lot ; T3 link too ; but cloaky ? I never really heard about them outside of carebears tears despite their huge power.

So did I miss something about cloaky T3 ? Because I think they are more related to nightmares of EFT warriors than anything else ; and I'd explain it with the cloak delay which prevent them to catch that many people.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1195 - 2013-10-06 21:10:47 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:

Indeed, but if we go for details like this, we should stop these ridiculous numbers considering oh dps with blasters/void in the Stratios too and start talking about more rational things.


The Proteus does almost no DPS at 15km. The Stratios does 75% of its DPS at 15km. Also no one requires that you fit blasters. You can use lasers or ACs.

Quote:
What remain is Ogre dps (4 unbonused guns do marginal dps compared to them). And then, well, it's ogres. If they were so blatantly overpowered, we would know it I think and drone boat wouldn't bother carrying anything else with them would they ?


How many 125m3 bandwidth drone boats have covops cloaks and thus can guarantee applying their webs via decloaking 2000m away? That's right, none of them

Quote:
It's just common sense here : the dps figures of the Stratios come almost only from the Ogres, yet Ogres were more often laugh at than feared and suddenly, because a ship with a cloak have them, they become completely overpowered.


Pretty much, yeah. You can dodge being webbed against ships without cloaks.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1196 - 2013-10-06 21:29:09 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Commander A9 wrote:
Sisters of EVE are an international humanitarian science-and-religion organization, according to their info panel.

I like the idea of exploration bonuses, but is there any plan to incorporate some kind of remote boosting or repair feature in some capacity? Like a bonus to repair modules or drones or support activity?


I think they are being more focused on single player mode rather than fleet,but I am really not sure, I think people are a bit scared of mission creep, but so much noise in this thread i lost touch with what real peoples opinion was on this,
Something was mentioned about clouds of cloaky reppers, but not sure if that was a real person or one of the spammers.


Why would you use a cloaky ship for missions? =/

Also there is plenty of broken PVE in this game, these ships are not going to significantly break it to be even worth talking about.

IMO, ships should be balance around pvp, and PVE should be balanced around that. But thats just me.


I'm most concerned by the addition of a high tank, high dps cloaky ship with a metric fuckton of ewar..



Sorry british phrase, mission creep means having a plan for something and so much gets added on it loses the point of it's existance. Not "missions" sorry

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Fr00b Snap
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1197 - 2013-10-06 21:37:57 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:

Indeed, but if we go for details like this, we should stop these ridiculous numbers considering oh dps with blasters/void in the Stratios too and start talking about more rational things.


The Proteus does almost no DPS at 15km. The Stratios does 75% of its DPS at 15km. Also no one requires that you fit blasters. You can use lasers or ACs.



Why would Proteus decloak at 15km?
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1198 - 2013-10-06 22:10:50 UTC
I can't wait to try these on the test server.
After that proper feedback can be posted.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#1199 - 2013-10-06 22:13:30 UTC
Fr00b Snap wrote:

Why would Proteus decloak at 15km?


Added to which prot gets a point range bonus with appropriate sub-system which makes it a bit easier to keep stuff inside damage range.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#1200 - 2013-10-06 22:52:48 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:


Remove the ******* stupid covert ops thing from these ships and make them some other than a group of overpowered twatmobiles.

The Stratios could hold his own in a fight against ANY other pirate cruiser.. (Decimating most in fact) AND it has a cloak? I don't understand the logic behind giving a supposedly more rounded pirate ship the specialization bonus of a recon, its really weird.
The cloak is an integral part of exploration, but was suggested to give them the marauder treatment as to nerf there PVP a bit while not ruining there PVE side.


Well i don't run around using ECM so that won't help me much when i get blobbed by cloaky pirate cruisers in a plex >_<

Also i just hate all things that can warp while cloaked, to many thing immune to pvp in this game.

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